Select schools discuss options after LHSAA vote

A 90-minute meeting that involved select-school coaches and administrators provided what Parkview Baptist Principal Don Green called “positive dialog,” along with a plan to inform the Louisiana High School Athletic Association’s executive committee of its views and questions.

The Tuesday meeting at Parkview attracted principals from as far away as Shreveport and Lake Charles. The Baton Rouge-based select-schools meeting was the area’s first since LHSAA member principals voted Friday to divide schools into separate football playoffs for nonselect and select schools starting this fall.

“We had a very productive meeting from the standpoint of understanding the association’s position and also trying to understand ours without being angry or reactive,” Green said. “There was a very nice result. And that result is that Myra Mansur (the athletic director at Episcopal), who is on the (LHSAA’s) executive committee, will be reporting to the executive committee. There’s a Thursday meeting there (at the LHSAA office).

“She will be reporting the sentiment of this group. We want to work with the association. We want to be compliant, obviously to the rules, while also making the association realize that this is something we really do not agree with.”

Many of those on hand declined comment as they left the closed-door meeting that was not open to the public or the media. Ron Brocato of the New Orleans-based Clarion-Herald newspaper reported that a similar closed-door meeting is planned in the New Orleans area Thursday.

LHSAA Executive Director Kenny Henderson was out of the office Tuesday, and his assistant, Donna Davidson, said plans for a meeting later this week wouldn’t be finalized until Wednesday.

Catholic High football coach Dale Weiner said he was impressed with how the group calmly and collectively discussed working with the LHSAA and other numerous options, including potential litigation and the possibility that select schools, many of which are private schools, would elect to form their own association.

“I think the consensus was that we can’t sit on our hands and accept the status quo,” Weiner said. “I don’t think anybody wants to leave the association.

“But there was discussion about making our feelings known to the LHSAA, about some of the other possibilities out there, like litigation and about forming a separate association.

“With that said, who knows what’s going to happen from here? This was just one meeting. But I was real impressed with the way everyone discussed a number of things without being emotional about it.”

Notre Dame-Crowley football coach Lewis Cook added, “It was very productive to get everybody’s thoughts and feelings. Nobody wants to leave the LHSAA, but nobody is happy with this plan to split it, either. But we did get a plan together. That’s what today was about.”

Shreveport’s Evangel Christian was represented at the meeting, along with Natchitoches-based St. Mary’s.

The list of Baton Rouge schools in attendance included PBS, Episcopal, The Dunham School, St. Michael the Archangel, Catholic High, St. John-Plaquemine, Ascension Catholic and St. Joseph’s Academy.


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Comments (14)


1) Comment by Raven72 - 31/01/2013

@BRmoderate: It's all a matter of perception. The very name "select" schools is very misleading. As if these schools cherry pick the best athletes from a given region. If that were the case then then every all-district or all-state or all-metro team would be nothing but athletes from these schools, and we know that is not the case. Also, you say there are only at most 10 public schools that can complete with the select schools... What are the other public schools going to do when they still can't beat those 10? Vote to separate themselves from them as well? Instead of doing what it takes to get better, let's just get rid of the competition and then we'll have a shot at a title for sure. And how many select schools are considered powerhouses? 5? 6? What about all the other select schools? Istrouma, St. Michael, Ascension Christian (who still hasn't won a varsity football game). There isn't a greater majority of good select programs than there are good public programs, it's just that the top 2 select programs get all the hype and publicity. Why? Because they're in the 2 biggest cities in the state. It only makes sense that they get the most press.

2) Comment by Vernonbrew22 - 30/01/2013

The football playoff situation is a lot like this article, out of touch and disfigured. My third grader has better transition in his writing than this sloppy reporter. Also, why can't you idgets put out an accurate schedule of hs football, baseball and other so we can actually attend games? Guess I can use the NOLA sight to find HS basketball schedules in BR. LHSAA is a joke like Advocate HS sports reporting.

3) Comment by BRmoderate - 30/01/2013

none of your arguments refute the fact that select schools operate differently than public. They can select the athletes who come to their school! Publics are limited in geography whereas selects can handpick their kids from a much larger region. This gives them a distinct advantage. There are how many public schools? And you think that because maybe 10 publics can muster the money/support needed to overcome competitive obstacles that all could do the same??? @Dawson, let's not make this a debate about government policy on public education. I agree with you to some degree on that point but that does not change the current situation. Also, I am pretty sure that if Dutchtown makes the dome...that sucker would get filled :)

4) Comment by Sidwit - 30/01/2013

Now we'll have the argument over who is really the best in class in high school football and other sports, the public school champ or the private/parochial champ? This reminds me of segregation back when the white schools didn't play the black schools. The bottom line is that several public school principals are whining because those evil private schools(Evangel & John Curtis) always win the championship and their kids never have a chance. C'mon people. Schools with good consistant programs win. Lately it's the city of Monroe with West Monroe, OC, and Neville. Maybe the city of Monroe should be deemed a select city and be forced to participate against the evil Evangels and John Curtis's in the playoffs. Maybe we should give every school a LSHAA championship trophy at the start fo the season and keep things like they are. Some teams will just get to play a few more games, but everybody gets a trophy.

5) Comment by Dawson - 30/01/2013

Keep dreaming if you think the amount of money generated by the privates is not considerably larger than the amount generated by the publics. The LHSAA makes its money on playoffs. Which game do you think draws a larger crowd, Baker versus Glen Oaks or Parkview vs Notre Dame? How about St. Thomas More vs Teurlings Catholic or Northside vs Cecilia? The private schools have a much larger showing, much larger crowds at games which means more money for the LHSAA.

6) Comment by Dawson - 30/01/2013

@BRModerate.. Episcopal offers full scholarships? The last time I checked every single public school offers full scholarships to every single student. The argument is why in the world do we allow the government to determine where our kids go to school based on our address? A parent should be able to place the child in the best school they see fit, not the best school based on their address. As for zones for athletics, Scotlandville (magnets) does not have attendance zones so why are they not in the same boat as the privates. They get any kid from anywhere and the kids do not have to pay tuition.

7) Comment by BRmoderate - 30/01/2013

Again I ask...If we separate schools because of size...why shouldn't we separate because of select/non-select? If we agree that size creates a competitive advantage because of the larger pool of athletes a big school can use, then how is it fair to allow one school to recruit athletes and compete against a school that has to accept the lot they are given?

8) Comment by BRmoderate - 30/01/2013

I coached in both private and public schools. Entrance exams are waived if you attend a remedial class in the summer. Those classes are a joke (at least in the private sch I worked)... When the coaches want a kid, that kid gets in....The school I worked for is a FB "powerhouse"... I saw first hand how boosters, coaches, and current parents got kids in. Yes, there are 5 good public FB programs that have the financial ability to overcome the inherent disadvantages of competing w select schools. I live in Dutchtown and am proud of Coach Saia as well as the groundswell of community support his program receives. But it still does not make it fair just because the community can pull a tremendous amount of resources to field a competitive team.

9) Comment by Raven72 - 30/01/2013

The competitive edge has always been on the side of the public schools. They are gauranteed a steady supply of students every year. Most select schools don't have that luxury. They need tuition-paying students to keep their doors open and in order to that they have to have a reason for parents to send their kids there. You can't deny that EHS offers kids a better educational opportunity than most public schools in this city. Some schools do offer tuition assistance for students. However, the student still has to pass entrance exams just to get into the school, and has to maintain academic progress in order to keep that assistance. You don't have to pass an entrance exam to get into a public school. They can admit any student that lives within their attendance zone. That is a huge advantage. And if private/select schools have such an advantage, why is it that public schools like Dutchtown, West Monroe, Kentwood, Haynesville and Lutcher always have good teams? They must have some kind of advantage as well. Instead of whining about how "unfair" it is, why don't you take a look at the public schools who are winning and see what they are doing. Why can't the other public schools do the same thing? The answers might surprise you.

10) Comment by BRmoderate - 30/01/2013

Myra Mansur's Episcopal has scholarships for athletes. I have personal knowledge of students on free/reduced lunch at their public school one year who then transfer to EHS. How did that student suddenly find the ability to afford over $15k in tuition? Are public schools just supposed to accept this???

11) Comment by BRmoderate - 30/01/2013

And let's not blow this out of proportion, we are ONLY talking about the playoffs. Select/non-select can still compete in regular season matches/games meaning that there is not a huge impact on travel. The argument that the LHSAA needs select schools and should kowtow to their demands is wrong. Every school in the LHSAA pays the same amount of money to the LHSAA. If select schools leave, yes the LHSAA will have to get smaller but they will survive.

12) Comment by BRmoderate - 30/01/2013

These schools have had a tremendous competitive advantage for decades. How is it fair to have two schools compete in the same division that have to operate under different zoning, GPA requirements, and financial systems? Think about why we separate schools according to size....Now use those same arguments when comparing select/non-select schools.

13) Comment by bigfatman - 30/01/2013

Its a shame that all of this is basically over a couple of FB schools. Many small private schools will be forced to travel a long way for games. Ms. and Tn have survived so far with the split. I really don't know why they are all complaining. Its just the playoffs in fb.

14) Comment by Dawson - 30/01/2013

Why wouldn't the schools want to leave the LHSAA? The LHSAA needs these schools alot more than the schools need them. Withdraw and form your own organzation and watch the LHSAA fold under the weight of its own *****