LHSAA, select schools to meet over playoff plan

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LHSAA, select schools to meet over playoff plan

No binding decisions will be made at Thursday’s select schools meeting.

But there will be two sides — the select schools and the Louisiana High School Athletic Association — seeking answers to major questions as plans to implement a football playoff system with separate divisions for select and nonselect schools takes shape for this fall.

“I think the important thing is to go in with an open mind and listen,” Parkview Baptist principal Don Green said. “But we need to get some specific answers from the association and some guidance from the LHSAA.

“One thing we need to know is who all the select schools are. And also, what makes one school a select school and another nonselect? What are the specific criteria? How will it be regulated? There are questions about charter schools, too.”

The meeting at 9 a.m. at the LHSAA office is expected to last between two and three hours, said LHSAA Executive Director Kenny Henderson, who wants the meeting to function similar to the group’s annual convention meeting.

“It (agenda) won’t be finalized until later today (Wednesday),” Henderson said. “The idea I have is that we come in and present a series of plans and get input from the schools. We want to see what they like, and what they don’t.”

The ideal meeting for Henderson would end with select schools in attendance recommending a select playoff plan the LHSAA’s executive committee could ratify at its March 20 meeting. Once a plan is in place, the LHSAA could begin planning to extend its current championships from two to three days at the Mercedes-Benz Superdome in New Orleans or look for a second venue. The LHSAA previously has hosted five title games over two days at the Superdome.

Henderson said executive committee members have been invited to Thursday’s meeting, though he is not sure how many will attend.

Thursday’s meeting is the second the LHSAA has hosted since its member principals voted last month to split its football championships into separate divisions. The plan calls for select and nonselect schools to compete together in the districts that were approved for 2013-14 and 2014-15 and then branch off into separate divisions for the playoffs.

The largest division is for nonselect or traditional public schools and will consist of approximately 210 schools of the LHSAA’s 291 football-playing schools. The other division is for select schools, which includes private schools, magnet schools, charter schools, laboratory schools and dual curriculum schools with magnet components that draw 25 percent or more of their enrollment from outside traditional attendance zones.

Options and emotions

The original proposal by Winn-
field Principal Jane Griffin mandated five classifications for nonselect schools and two for select schools, though Griffin and other authors said they wouldn’t oppose changes to the select plan to offer more select classes.

Six days after the Jan. 25 vote, the LHSAA’s nonpublic school committee comprised of select schools met, and that meeting led to some intense moments as several administrators expressed displeasure with the split plan. Karr-New Orleans Principal John Hiser repeated his contention the split plan is a form of segregation.

Though Henderson presented a plan to provide a power-rating system for select schools and offered a plan for three select classes no agreement or vote was taken. Parkview submitted sample plans for three and four select classes. E.D. White Catholic president David Boudreaux was among those who suggested five classes should be offered to select schools.

“There are so many questions that people don’t have the answers for,” Catholic High Athletic Director J.P. Kelly said. “Catholic High enjoys competing with all the schools, public and private, and we’ve never won a state title in football and we’re OK with that.

“You have to remember, this is something we didn’t want or ask for. It was put on us. That’s why there’s so much emotion surrounding this. Ultimately, you want what’s best for student-athletes. Right now, you’ve got adults with two different opinions about what that is.”

University High Athletic Director Jill White hopes to see progress but is guarded in her optimism.

“The thing I want first and foremost is some relief for my school,” White said. “We’re the smallest 3A school with 200 boys to draw from and would have to play Jesuit and Rummel and other (5A) schools that have over 1,000 boys to choose from if there are two select divisions. And we’re not the only one in this situation. There are other schools in the same boat with us. My biggest concern is that things could be as contentious as the first meeting, and nothing will get done. I hope that doesn’t happen.”

Updated data

Henderson said the LHSAA can provide some answers about dual curriculum schools. To date, the LHSAA has received data from less than half of the 20-plus dual curriculum schools and only two, Baton Rouge-based Scotlandville Shreveport’s C.E. Byrd, have submitted percentages that put them in the select category.

Captain Shreve, Carroll-Monroe, BR’s McKinley and Lafayette High have submitted percentages that would make then nonselect. Henderson said those percentages must be verified.

When asked about charter schools, Henderson said any school classified as a charter school before the fall would compete as a select school in 2013. This group would include schools in the East Baton Rouge Parish School System that could be converted to charter schools later this year and others currently in Louisiana’s Recovery District that might be revamped as charter schools.

What’s next?

Private/select school groups have held two major meetings since the convention. The first was held before the nonpublic school meeting and the other afterwards. Other smaller groups of private schools have also met.

Private schools make up the majority of select schools and have agreed to follow the LHSAA process that continues Thursday. Kelly, Green and The Dunham School’s Bobby Welch all noted forms of litigation and possible legislation to stop the split playoffs are options. Leaving the LHSAA to form a separate association is considered to be a final option.

Kelly said he sees select schools working with the split playoff system for 2013 and then evaluating their options.

Welch’s outlook is less optimistic.

“If all we talk about at this meeting is the playoff system, then I’m not sure what good it will be,” Welch said. “This thing needs to be delayed. But I think the die was cast when the vote took place. You have a majority that has spoken, and the LHSAA will be bound to follow what they want. If I was in the LHSAA’s position, that’s more than likely what I’d do.

“I’ll be honest, at Dunham we’re preparing for a worst-case scenario. That would include not being part of the LHSAA in the future.”


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Comments (15)


1) Comment by HerbF - 22/02/2013

postscript56: It's not that I don't understand your argument. It's that I don't agree with it. Spliting the schools is an overreaction. It is unnecessary, and it was done for all the wrong reasons. The association has split the schools due to a perceived unfair advantage in FOOTBALL RECRUITING

2) Comment by postscript56 - 21/02/2013

No Herb, that doesn't make more sense. But if I really have to explain why then I guess you'll never get it. I mean you try to justify your position by supporting my argument. How ridiculous is that? My entire point is a school like John Curtis has an unfair advantage by virtue of the number of athletes that can freely attend that school with no restrictions, unlike public schools. And you admit Curtis probably just selects from the athletes it wants, unlike public schools. That's why there's now two divisions, Herb. Get a clue.

3) Comment by HerbF - 21/02/2013

Nonsense. Doesn't it make more sense to pass rules to equalize any "recruiting" advantage, rather than to split the high schools into two divisions? And, being a private school doesn't mean you're suddenly a football power. I really doubt if John Curtis has to "recruit" anyone. They probably just select. On the other hand, they have a much smaller student body, and that's an advantage to the big schools that they should be competing with. This is not about an effort to be "fair". This is about eliminating competition so they can have an easier path to getting that trophy. This is ugly, and it certainly isn't about sportsmanship.

4) Comment by postscript56 - 21/02/2013

BRmoderate - you must have repsonded while I was writing my second rant. Yes, its a rant but I won't apologize for feeling passionate about this issue. And it isn't because I have a personal interest - don't have children in school any more. Nor do I have anything against private schools. They can all keep on doing just what they're doing. But do it against other private schools doing the same thing. And let's let public schools - who have a student body confined to one area and in any random year may have few athletes - play against other public schools in the same boat. What's wrong with that?

5) Comment by tball - 21/02/2013

Why did the LHSAA penalized O.P. Walker recently? How did B. Bridgewater go to Scotlandville? How many players did Coach Brown recruit at Istrouma i.e. B. Cannon? Certain public schools recruit and I agree private schools have a slight advantage!

6) Comment by postscript56 - 21/02/2013

One more thing. It's not just that some schools take all the advantage they can get. If a good athlete (and parents) choose to attend a private school they are allowed to do so no matter where the student resides or where the school is located, and with no sanctions on the student or school. That good athlete could not go to another public school - one with, say, a history of winning state championships. Not unless he/she moved into the attendance zone for that school. So even without private schools doing anything at all to encourage athletes to attend their school, still they have an advantage over public schools because the student athlete can freely choose to go there. How can anyone fail to see this is a distinct advantage for private schools? When the actual results of the competitions prove some schools are dominating in multiple sports for a string of consecutive years how long must that continue before we can agree that school has gained an advantage? Under normal demographics it would be astronomical odds for one public school attendance zone to concentreate that many athletes for that long a time. Again, why is this so hard to understand?

7) Comment by BRmoderate - 21/02/2013

Look at this objectively. I am a former AD at a private school. I have worked in both public and private schools. There is a huge advantage to being able to approach a kid and invite them to join your school and not have to worry about where they live.

8) Comment by BRmoderate - 21/02/2013

@Dawson and Herb.....If you don't want that many trophies floating about then let's just move everyone to one class/Division of football. Let the tiny 1a schools fight for playoff position against the 5a schools. Right? Why do we have divisions? Because we recognize that big school have a larger pool of students to build their teams. Select schools have a larger pool of students to build their teams compared to "geolocked" public schools.

9) Comment by postscript56 - 21/02/2013

I wish I had been able to get on here earlier because I want all the other posters to read my response. To tell the truth I can't understand what's so hard to grasp about this. Let's start at the beginning for those who are struggling. Public schools can only draw their student body from a defined geographically drawn attendance zone. Don't live in that zone, can't go to that school. Want to go to that school, have to move into the attendance zone. Private schools have no such restrictions. Because of that private schools have a built-in advantage. And because some schools choose to make use of that advantage by recruiting, offering scholarships, financial aid and other incentives it creates a UNFAIR advantage for the private school. All you folks who can't grasp the concept of "fairness" in high school sports, go sit on the sidelines. This vote is about some private schools abusing the advantage they have. Because private schools have to "recruit" students to remain viable it is next to impossible to prove some unethical violation took place. Schools who are not abusing the situation are suffering because a handful do and apparently they can't police each other. Folks who think something nefarious or - God forbid - liberal is going on here must be sending their children to private school and feel entitled to have their cake and eat it, too.

10) Comment by HerbF - 21/02/2013

Actually, several years ago, the top classification of schools decided that they didn't want to compete against these private schools either. So, THEY changed the rules to eliminate the ability of the much smaller private schools playing up and competing against THEM. That is what set the table for the smaller schools to say, "We don't want to play against them either." So, THEY changed the rules. >>>>It seems to me that the fairest path would be to let the private schools play up, and compete against the best in the state. But, they don't want to do that because the private schools are too good, year in and year out. >>>> So, here's an idea: Let championships be won on the field. Period.

11) Comment by Dawson - 21/02/2013

I agree 100%. Nothing new here, we hear the same thing from Washington and all of the "fair share" propaganda outlets. The "everybody get's a trophy" mentality is what is destroying this country from within. Maybe we should just drop the playoffs and quit keeping score and that way everybody can be considered the best.

12) Comment by HerbF - 21/02/2013

They aren't "breaking the rules". The proponents of the split simply decided that they couldn't win on the field, so they changed the rules. It's that simple. And, as near as I can tell, they aren't embarassed by it at all. This decision was made by the principals of the schools, and, as such, it is representative of the attitudes and objectives of the people of the state. And, it really speaks poorly of us. >>>> There's no mistery here. The principal of Winnfield stated that her school would have won the state championship if they hadn't been beaten in the championship game by a private school football power. So, her answer was not to try to improve and win on the field. She proposed to change the rules so her team would not have to suffer the injustise of playing a better team. Thus, it will be easier to "win" the state championship. What a wonderful example of the thought process in Louisiana!

13) Comment by Dawson - 21/02/2013

@postscript If it is only a few private schools that are breaking the rules why doesn't the LHSAA sanction them for breaking whatever rule it is they are breaking instead of throwing the whole lot of "select" schools out? What rules are these school allegedly breaking? I haven't been able to find any disciplinary hearing transcripts in the LHSAA minutes that have any accusations or evidence saying a single private, or public for that matter, school is doing anything outside of the defined LHSAA rules.

14) Comment by postscript56 - 21/02/2013

should read "geographic attendance ZONE THEN you are..."

15) Comment by postscript56 - 21/02/2013

If your student body is not confined to a defined geographic attendance one the you are a select school. How hard is that? Private schools are playing by a different set of rules as regards who can attend their school. This vote has come about because some - but not all - private schools use the different set of rules to gain an advantage over public schools they compete against. There is no dispute about that. If private schools can't live with a level playing field for competition then they are welcome to form their own organization. See ya! Don't the the door hit you in the a** on the way out! Let's see how often you win when you have to compete on equal footing with your opponent.