Jindal tax plan numbers contested

A Baton Rouge-based research group accused the Jindal administration of using revenue numbers that could knock the budget neutrality of the governor’s tax plan out of balance by at least $500 million.

The Public Affairs Research Council of Louisiana also concluded that middle and upper income taxpayers would get a tax break under the plan, with the biggest tax benefits going to taxpayers with the highest earnings.

“The losers in the tax swap deal need to be identified and the impact on them needs to be explained more fully,” PAR said in a nine-page commentary.

Tim Barfield, executive counsel for the state Department of Revenue, disagreed with PAR’s assumptions.

He said the plan will be revenue neutral.

“A standard approach to estimate the future is to begin with the best data as of today. This we have done, but only as the starting point. The Legislative Fiscal Office and other economic experts agree with our methodology,” Barfield said in a prepared statement.

“As this debate begins, if we want to see truly revenue neutral balance, we think some adjustment needs to be made,” PAR President Robert Travis Scott said after a presentation featuring the Tax Foundation officials who helped the Jindal administration put together the tax overhaul package. The lecture by Joseph Henchman and Scott Drenkard was part of an LSU Public Administration Institute meeting.

Scott said PAR, a membership group that researches public policy issues, questioned some of the numbers presented by the administration. For instance, the plan reflects personal income tax numbers from a couple years ago when the economy was coming out of recession, so they were lower than they would be now, he said. At the same time, the plan uses sales tax collections that reflect a more healthy economy, he said.

“We’re not saying the plan is impossible. We’re saying the initial numbers need to be adjusted to reflect a truly revenue neutral picture,” Scott said.

Gov. Bobby Jindal wants to eliminate the state’s personal income and corporate taxes in favor of increasing the state sales tax to 5.88 percent and taxing more services. The governor contends the plan will be revenue neutral, allowing state government to still pay the bills that keep colleges, hospitals and other public services operating.

The proposal will be debated in the legislative session that starts April 8.

The budget neutrality of the plan is important to many legislators after back-to-back years of state spending cuts. Some already are uneasy about making dramatic changes to the state’s tax structure in a short window of time. The plan would kick in Jan. 1.

PAR said the Jindal administration’s numbers are off by several hundred million dollars because 2011 recession-influenced revenue figures were used.

For example, $2.7 billion in personal income taxes needs to be replaced, not the $2.4 billion cited by the Jindal administration, PAR said.

The administration appeared to use “lower figures of the past to count the costs” and “higher figures of the future to count the benefits,” the research organization said.

“The use of income tax figures that were depressed by the economic downturn two years ago, as opposed to the trend of recovery and higher revenues that the state is experiencing currently, can result in the plan not being revenue neutral,” PAR said.

The organization said the plan could be $500 million to $650 million short of revenue neutrality.

Also simmering is an argument over who the winners and losers would be in the tax plan.

The Jindal administration contends “the vast majority of Louisiana taxpayers will save more through the elimination of state income taxes than they will pay in increased state sales taxes.”

Administration aides promoted a scenario in which “teachers making $45,000 per year filing individually would see their annual state tax burden reduced by more than $800 on average.”

PAR said someone has to pick up the tab.

The organization said businesses could be losers if they heavily use services that now would be taxed.

Mark Ballard of the Capitol news bureau contributed to this report.


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Comments (22)


1) Comment by Vernonbrew22 - 22/03/2013

He knows it will not pass. It is a smoke screen for all the other stuff he's doing behind the scenes. What a shame. Please investigate.

2) Comment by Warp7 - 22/03/2013

The Jindal Administration is once again trying to pull a slick one over the people of this state that will end up costing all of us. He likes to holler at the left for tax increases, well Jindal what you are doing is a big tax increase for all of us. Good thing others other than the puppet legislature is looking at this closely and voicing their opinions. How many people must suffer in order to feed the ego of this arrogant governor that so many thought was a genius. Guess what, he has proven that he is not!

3) Comment by Ben Yay - 22/03/2013

Another day, another blow to the false image of Jindal the wunderkind. Must be the season for truth in Louisiana.

4) Comment by gvm - 22/03/2013

Foldgers' point of view is exactly what Jindal and his cohorts count on as far as garnering support for this idiotic plan of his. They know that the average person in LA either is incapable of considering the longer term implications of this proposal - or simply too lazy to do so. Although I am not a fan of the current state of affairs, the prospect of going from a bad system to worse one doesn't strike me as being an intelligent proposition.

5) Comment by Diogenes - 22/03/2013

@Foldgers, more likely is that the lawn man will charge $2 more, and keep it, which is why the Public Affairs Research Counsel is warning that the Gov. Jindal’s tax plan is an open invitation for fraud and abuse. How is LDR going to monitor every casual service transaction or keep track of sales tax charged for services, but not be remitted? With the current revenue system income taxes are double checked against federal returns which give a method of catching tax evaders, while casual sales and services are not subject to sales tax, but under Gov. Jindal’s new system the safeguards already in place will be useless. I guess for people who want to cheat on state tax Gov. Jindal’s plan will be WONDERFUL!

6) Comment by Mygulfbleedsforu - 22/03/2013

Or ... these lawn service people foldgers is so sure are tax cheats anyway might just continue to not report the income to the feds nor the sales of services to the state, and just keep the service fees AND the sales tax you pay. Or at least a big part of it. Or -- wink, wink, nudge, nudge -- they can just keep this little transaction between the two of you and you'll simply not pay that sales tax. How in the world does it figure in that they will now be forced to report all their receipts?

7) Comment by foldgers - 22/03/2013

So, if I go to get my oil changed, I pay sales tax on the whole transaction, including "labor." But, if I was to have my lawn mowed, I shouldn't pay sales taxes on that? The average cost to cut a lawn is about $35 right now. That would mean, I would have to pay my lawn guy a whole whopping $2 more! Yep, I think that is just too much and in that case, I will just go ahead and mow it myself... hmm, doing something physical for about an hour and a half and saving $35 every two weeks?? Well, to me, I should be doing that without a sales tax as well! What this means is that all the lawn people and others that collect mainly cash will now be forced to report ALL of the cash earnings they receive... or are we assuming they already pay taxes on every penny they collect?

8) Comment by Crawdaddy - 22/03/2013

Jindal "it is what I say it is, until it isn't" --- for him the numbers are a win-win -- assuming this "reform" passes and the numbers are correct, he gets another ALEC feather. But if the numbers are low and revenue declines then he gets to downsize/privatize/marginalize state institutions even more and he will get more than one ALEC feather. Less revenue, more cuts, what a wonderful world....

9) Comment by gvm - 22/03/2013

Jindal math: 1+1 =2 if, and only if, the moon is in the 7th House and Jupiter aligns with Mars. Otherwise, all bets are off.

10) Comment by Diogenes - 22/03/2013

While everyone is focused on the effects of Gov. Jindal’s tax plan on the poor, elderly, and retired, the effects a sales tax only revenue system on small business is not being widely discussed. However, thousands of small business people providing previously untaxed services will suddenly be faced with the extra burden of collecting sales tax from consumers. Not only does this create an added burden of collection and remittance on thousands of small businesses, it also increases the price they will be forced to charge consumers by 5.88%, driving away many in their consumer base. Under Gov. Jindal’s plan businesses ranging from lawn services to lounge singers will be required to start collecting sales tax for their services. This is simply a bad plan, being sold to the Louisiana Legislature with smoke, mirrors and the promise of revenue generating fairy dust.

11) Comment by foldgers - 22/03/2013

It seems that politicians, from BOTH parties, try to ram things through the legilature to get what THEY want done. They no longer care about what the people want. They feel if they think it will be good, then it has to be good and once passed through, the people will realize how good. Like with Obamacare, yes, the intentions were "good," but even once enacted, the democrats realized that taxing medical devices to help pay for it was a bad idea and are trying to get rid of that part of the law, the supreme court found some issues with it not legal. The mayor of NY, banning large sodas because HE felt it was good for the people, had that overturned in court. Some of Bobby's laws have been overturned in courts as well. When will people begin to realize that both parties are in it for themselves? When will people finally get upset enough to NOT vote democrat or republican, but instead vote for those who truly want to be there for the people and not start a career in politics? Sad thing is, there are candidates like that out there, but BOTH regular parties always smear them and make them look like rambling idiots, like being either democrat or republican is the only way to go. Wake up people, the two usual parties are one in the same. They just want power. Presidents past and president issuing exuctive orders, to me, that should be illegal. We elect people to represent us and when a president goes around that, he is saying, "Screw you American people, I think this is good, so I am making it law and I don't care what you think." (once again, BOTH parties) Elect someone who doesn't believe more SPENDING is the answer, someone who will get our troops home, someone who will fight for the American people and not their friends, someone who can think for themselves... it is time to shake up the system. We are being torn apart as a country by these two parties, I think now more than ever. In summary, BOTH parties have had their time. Both parties have set this country on the wrong path...

12) Comment by gvm - 22/03/2013

Everything Jindal and crew have put forth seems to wither under scrutiny. Thus far his strategy has been to talk fast, disguise platitudes as policy, and ram legislation through with the aid of a dim-witted and compliant legislature. I believe his day of reckoning nears...and not a moment too soon.

13) Comment by Michael Gary Scott - 22/03/2013

Why question RINO Bobby's numbers, they are as honest as a Depatrment of Health and Hospitals contract award.

14) Comment by Attila - 22/03/2013

Take heart folks. At the rate he is going Lil Booby will be the Republican version of Al Gore, who couldn't even win his own state when he ran for President.

15) Comment by Mygulfbleedsforu - 22/03/2013

Grrrr. I am terribly sorry for the double posts. Believe me, I really hate it, because when an article becomes a most-discussed article, that's usually the kiss of death for its comment section. Best to leave the comment count relatively low!

16) Comment by Mygulfbleedsforu - 22/03/2013

Seriously, a Tax Foundation official who helped devise our state's potential new tax policy is named Henchman? Did he take that name himself, I wonder? One definition: 2. A person who supports a political figure chiefly out of selfish interests.

17) Comment by Mygulfbleedsforu - 22/03/2013

Seriously, a Tax Foundation official who helped devise our state's potential new tax policy is named Henchman? Did he take that name himself, I wonder? One definition: 2. A person who supports a political figure chiefly out of selfish interests.

18) Comment by KJNOKIE - 21/03/2013

Why is Jindal trying to destroy Louisiana? It surely will not help him in his efforts to become (God give me a break) President.

19) Comment by BRLA1982 - 21/03/2013

The tax plan is a scam, just like everything else this dictator proposes and rams through our spineless legislature.

20) Comment by beabea - 21/03/2013

Mygulfbleedsforu, I think you hit the nail on the head. Massaging the numbers to keep the $$$ rolling in perfectly captures so much of the con these guys are running--whether it's redistributing wealth (upward) like with this tax swap, or funneling taxpayer dollars into private pockets like in today's debacle, the abruptly-cancelled Medicaid contract.

21) Comment by Mygulfbleedsforu - 21/03/2013

Tim Barfield, Joel Robideaux, Jeff Sadow and other apologists for BJ sound suspiciously like those pollsters leading up to the presidential election who massaged the poll numbers until they said Romney would win. And of course all the many (desperate) things they took into consideration in massaging those numbers were nothing short of brilliant, making those pollsters so much smarter than all other pollsters. Until the last minute they spun their ***** Of course, that kept the money rolling in. Somehow, this sounds the same.

22) Comment by Mygulfbleedsforu - 21/03/2013

Tim Barfield, Joel Robideaux, Jeff Sadow and other apologists for BJ sound suspiciously like those pollsters leading up to the presidential election who massaged the poll numbers until they said Romney would win. And of course all the many (desperate) things they took into consideration in massaging those numbers were nothing short of brilliant, making those pollsters so much smarter than all other pollsters. Until the last minute they spun their ***** Of course, that kept the money rolling in. Somehow, this sounds the same.