Jindal tax proposal discussed at panel

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Advocate staff photo by ARTHUR D. LAUCK -- Tim Barfield, executive counsel of the Louisiana Department of Revenue, told business leaders Tuesday that Louisiana hasn't looked back since developing a state income tax.

As he builds his tax package, Gov. Bobby Jindal wants to keep economic development incentives in place and forego any property tax changes, a key aide said Tuesday.

Tim Barfield, the state Revenue Department’s executive counsel, gave a skeletal description of the package to the Louisiana Association of Business and Industry at the Crowne Plaza in Baton Rouge. His presentation followed last week’s announcement that the governor wants to eliminate the state’s personal income and corporate taxes in exchange for heftier state sales taxes.

The proposal will be debated in the legislative session that starts in April.

Barfield was part of a morning panel that focused on upcoming issues, including tax system changes and the state budget process.

The governor’s package likely will come together shortly before session, Barfield said.

Just how much of a sales tax increase the governor advocates is unclear. Details on consideration for the poor and how the administration will stop a stampede toward partly tax-free Internet shopping are unknown.

Barfield said those problems will be worked out in closed door meetings with stakeholders and legislators.

“We’re going to have to come to some consensus if we’re going to get anywhere,” he said.

Barfield said property tax increases are not part of the discussion. The elimination of severance taxes on the state’s natural resources also are not included in the conversation, he said.

Instead, the Jindal administration’s focus is on the hundreds of exemptions that lower Louisiana residents’ tax bills, he said.

“Most of the discussion is about what exemptions should be in or out,” Barfield said.

For example, the state grants a number of economic development tax incentives designed to encourage business growth.

The governor wants to keep most of those intact on a targeted basis in some undetermined form, Barfield said.

Last week, the Institute on Taxation and Economic Policy predicted the governor’s overall plan “is virtually guaranteed to have a regressive impact regardless of whether or not a low-income relief program is added to the package.”

The institute, a nonprofit research organization with offices in Washington, D.C., Wisconsin and North Carolina, said the bottom 80 percent of Louisiana residents would see a tax increase averaging $395 for those with an average income of $12,000 a year.

Meanwhile, the Tax Foundation, a Washington, D.C., thinktank, said Jindal’s tax plan could raise Louisiana from 32nd to fourth on the organization’s list of tax structures.

Barfield did not mention the institute by name during his comments at LABI’s meeting.

However, he made reference to misinformed comments regarding the likely state sales tax increase.

By keeping intact state sales tax exemptions for food, household utilities and prescription drugs, the proposal is progressive, Barfield said.

He said sales taxes are a fair way to grow the economy.

Barfield acknowledged there are legitimate concerns about state taxes not collected through Internet sales. He said the administration is tracking federal legislation on the issue and wants to level the playing field.

In the past, the governor opposed efforts to step up tax collections on Internet purchases. Jindal said in 2011 that he opposed burdening Louisiana families with additional taxes.

Following Barfield in the panel discussion Tuesday was state Rep. Joel Robideaux, who is leading a study group examining the myriad of tax exemptions on the state’s books.

Robideaux, R-Lafayette, said he is getting questions about whether the Revenue Study Commission was an exercise in futility given the governor’s tax announcement.

He said he thinks some changes still are needed even if a number of the exemptions disappear with the sweeping away of personal income and corporate taxes.

For one thing, Robideaux said, the Legislative Fiscal Office likely needs longer to study the financial impact of proposed legislation.

State Rep. Brett Geymann, R-Lake Charles, said he wants to bring more transparency, prioritization and constitutionality to the state budget process.

He said accounting gimmicks, the use of one-time, or nonrecurring, money and budget contingencies are leading to cuts in the middle of the state budget year.

Editor’s note: The story was changed on Jan. 16 to correct the day in the first paragraph.


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1) Comment by foldgers - 01/17/2013

DMJ, I do not think that is the point here. Answer me one thing, if the sales tax on NEEDS will not go up, how is that hurting the people with less money? I see people using their EBTs for many things besides necessities. I have read articles about people getting cash at EBT/atm machines inside of strip clubs. Using then to buy alcohol... The thing is here is that no longer would state taxes be taken from people's paychecks...more than likely, giving them the extra cash they would need to pay for the higher sales tax. Oh, I am sorry, that is if said person is actually working instead of sitting back collecting the money I worked for. Second, can you name another easier way to collect taxes from people that do not report their cash earnings? If people who got paid cash would pay income taxes as it is now, chances are we would not be in as bad of a financial situation. Just my thoughts

2) Comment by DMJ - 01/17/2013

In the Republican ethos, shifting the tax burden from those with more money to those with less is fair. Very strange indeed. Either they really believe this stuff or they've been duped into thinking it's good policy. This would make them heartless or a rube. Not sure which is worse, frankly.

3) Comment by foldgers - 01/17/2013

Also, one other note. IF this passes. And if those lower income people are upset that their taxes on luxuries will go up... guess what? They can move. No one is saying they need to stay here. And I promise you, the only ones that will move are the ones who refuse to work and just sit back to collect every dime they can from the government because they feel they deserve it. They can go mooch off of another state's government in my opinion.

4) Comment by foldgers - 01/17/2013

MBW, the NECESSITIES will NOT have an increased tax rate. In other words, it would only burden the lower income people if those lower income people spend money on $200 shoes, or XBoxes, PS3's, iPhones, iPads, cigarettes, alcohol...you know, things that are NOT needed to survive. Nowhere does it say that everyone has a right to these things. I would love to have a boat, but I can not afford one, therefore, I will not get one and I am OK with that. Why? Because it makes me want to WORK harder to EARN more money so I could get one...and guess what? If this proposal goes through, I would be taxed quite heavily when buying a boat. This puts a burdon on the wealthy as well. I know many wealthy people that waste money on $1000 purses, $500 sunglasses, $400 jeans, $300,000 cars, $3 million homes.... thing is, those will be taxed as well and bring in much more money to the state... Not to mention, ONCE AGAIN, this way to tax will bring in much more revenue. How? People who pay no taxes on their income will now pay. Who are these people? Drug dealers, prostitutes, strippers, gamblers, bookies, pimps, people working "under the table" and so on. Chances are everyone reading this knows at least one of these types. There are many of them. They pay no income taxes and it is a lot of lost revenue. This way, every person pays their FAIR SHARE. And again, not to mention, the amount of companies that would flock to the state, bringing jobs. Meaning more people working. Meaning more people making more money. Meaning more people spending more money. Meaning more sales taxes collected by the state...and if this cycle works, like I think it would, the state could eventually be able to lower the sales tax little by little. It is just my opinion that this will hurt mainly those who either pay no taxes now and those who REFUSE to work.

5) Comment by MBW - 01/17/2013

Shift to sales taxes = shift tax burden to lower income people.

6) Comment by Warp7 - 01/16/2013

Typical of Jindal, keep the tax incentives for for big business and tax the citizens of the state. Is there no end to the madness of this Governor with an over blown ego. Don't count on the weak legislators questioning Jindal on this. They are to afraid to even offer an opinion, especially if it is not on par with Jindal. I thought they were elected by the people to represent the people. U fortunately this group is the governor's lap dog.

7) Comment by Frustrated - 01/16/2013

Speaking from experience, the states that have no income tax have very high property taxes. Those of you from Texas can attest to that. Bobby has stated up front that higher property taxes is off the table. What we pay in property taxes is a mere pittance compared to other states. I'm not against any state or federal consumption tax but what we pay now is onerous. Can anyone remember when total sales taxes in BR was 5%? Since then the sales taxes have gone up and very little to show for it.

8) Comment by Attila - 01/16/2013

Can anyone provide the demographics of the 9 states with no income tax? I think I already have a pretty good idea.

9) Comment by RODEO CLOWN - 01/16/2013

Of course Jindal wants to insure the “business incentives” granted will remain in tact. He has done an “excellent” job of “insentivetizing” corporate life in Louisiana-all at the expense of the working taxpayers. After all, corporate income taxes for 2011 were/are $500 million dollars less than corporate income taxes collected for 2008. (PG 35, 2012 LA DEPT OF REV RPT 2006/2011). Under Jindal's first term, corporate income taxes dropped 73.50%--like WOW. Louisiana's individual income tax collections for the same period dropped a poultry 26.37%(which is somewhat ironic when one takes into consideration the great economic leaps claimed by Jindal and the Jindanistas. Under such “expansive” economic growth, a perpetual claim of Jindal, one would assume individual income taxes collections would have stabilized or increased, but collections have not-but forgive me, I digress). Returning to the original subject matter: Jindal's approach from day one of his administration has been to balance the economic woes—woes largely created by his ineffective leadership-on the back of the average/middle class/wage earner of the state and to give corporations “free ride”. One is sure to find supporters of such a plan, especially among prominent business leaders and corporations doing business in Louisiana, i.e. , the financial base of Jindal's political ambitions. If anyone thinks such a program will be remotely successful, we only have to examine the long running economic crises among European countries. European countries have some of the lowest corporate income taxes in the world—much lower than the US. However, such “competitive taxes” have not produced the revenue necessary to maintain these countries existence. Granted, it can/will be coincided the European economic crises is a complex condition, that many factors contributed to and continue to contribute to the economic malaise in Europe-a treatise far to deep and complicated for presentation here. However, the main point one can glean from such an approach is that lower corporate taxation does not produce the corresponding increase in individual income taxes necessary to maintain government expenses.

10) Comment by Buck - 01/16/2013

Ya'll just stop now picking on lil Bobby. Once again as we have learned from the fantastic education package proposed and found to have some legal issues, this current proposal has nothing to do with our Roads Scholar, but once again is a concept that has been floated by outside interests. I know, you are shocked to find there are no creative ideas that can come from this current administration. If one is really interested in what will come down from this proposal, you might want to read up on the ALEC Exposed website. However if citizens in La. want to examine a funding concept that is relevant to La. and the resources we process, they may review an approach that was proposed by Republican Gov. Treen and Democrat Foster Campbell called a Process Tax. But then again I don't want cause our friends in Texas and Wall Street any trouble. I know, don't worry, our brave ands wise legislators will save us.

11) Comment by Noel Hammatt - 01/16/2013

Phil. I'll send them a message and they should get them working. When they move an article the "comments" sections does not automatically move with it, was explained to me as a software glitch in their program, should have been fixed in the last tweak, but the vendor didn't get to it I think.

12) Comment by phil - 01/16/2013

Why are comments on the CATS article not allowed???

13) Comment by agagent - 01/16/2013

Sales tax exemptions for food, household utilities and prescription drugs will help insure that the poor are not harmed by the change. An improve economy should help lower the poverty rate and reduce dependence on public assistance.

14) Comment by DMJ - 01/16/2013

Gee...people more pay less and people with less pay more. I thought Jindal said the Republican Party needs to not be so stupid and to have new ideas? He give up already?

15) Comment by BRmoderate - 01/16/2013

The goal isn't to improve Louisiana. The goal is to win the 2016 Republican Presidential Primary. How could you expect Jindal to care about a state that he hardly lives in?

16) Comment by agagent - 01/16/2013

Louisiana is considered a retiree-friendly state because it exempts some retirement benefits from income taxes. Higher sales taxes might make Louisiana less friendly to retirees. By law everyone should be paying sales taxes on internet purchases. The state needs a better way of enforcing that law whether or not income taxes are eliminated.

17) Comment by agagent - 01/16/2013

If eliminating income tax helps the economy that is what Louisiana should do. State income taxes are not banned in the US constitution but states cannot impose a tax which impedes interstate commerce. Nine states do not have income taxes and, in general, have better economies than states with income taxes. Those states usually have a lower overall tax rate but a higher property tax rate.

18) Comment by crabby - 01/16/2013

Boobie has a strong plan to balance the budget on the backs of students and the mentally ill. Besides the moral and ethical faults, and wrecking the state's future, it really doesn't seem to have a down side.

19) Comment by JohnBoy.White - 01/16/2013

@jeffsadow I just love the way you support Bobby and me. Or is it me and Bobby? Anyway, we have to get together sometime and laugh about the gullibility of the people of Louisiana. Since coming to the state I have pulled the wool over them so many times I was even getting tired of it, but there is always something new. I convinced the legislature that vouchers wouldn't cost local communities any of their precious education dollars. Convinced them that the Value Added Measurements and Compass wouldn't affect tenure for most teachers, at least until after they passed it. Did you like my piece in the paper yesterday talking about how hard it is going to be to get tenure. Heck, I even convinced them that some teachers could get tenure under the new plan. And by cooking the books, even convinced some that New Orleans has the highest graduation rate. About as much chance of those last two happening as the new tax plan helping the poor. I really appreciate your "unapologetic" approach to our putting the shaft to everyone in the state but our friends. I sort of look up to you, especially after your bold move of equating the Annie Casey folks as left-leaning special interests. What a hoot. Can you imagine convincing the entire state that a group that focuses on increasing the health and welfare of children is a socialist "special interest." Imagine people going around actually caring about children. They can't even vote, who cares about them. We certainly are moving away from that in my Department of Education. Of course, once we finish getting rid of public schools we'll just need a few cushy jobs left up there for Bobby's friends to sit up there in a corner office and look out over the river as we drink our beer and count our money. By the way, this is your private email, right?

20) Comment by Mygulfbleedsforu - 01/16/2013

Has there ever been a nonpartisan study group anywhere that, when concluding that a Republican position is likely hurtful to middle and lower income citizens, wasn't accused of having a liberal bias? Maybe it is just factually correct. Of course, there is a commonly expressed sentiment these days that facts have a liberal bias.

21) Comment by Mygulfbleedsforu - 01/16/2013

@ Jeff Sadow: what do you think of Geymann's thoughts? Is the five-year mid-year budget cut record an example of your man's use of dynamic modeling in fiscal policy?

22) Comment by Mygulfbleedsforu - 01/16/2013

I don't believe the state or Bobby Jindal can decide to make online retailers collect sales tax. That's a US constitutional thing. And based on some of their comments, I really wonder if Jindal still doesn't understand the state law on those pruchases. I agree that it is an absolute waste of money to have commissioned a study of exemptions and deductions and then propose this while the study is still ongoing. I remember some legislators a couple of years ago who seemed to be thinking we could pay for getting rid of income tax by getting rid of some income tax exemptions. It's almost slap-stick comedy except it just isn't funny. I hope The Elected put their thinking caps on this time!

23) Comment by jeffsadow - 01/16/2013

I have to laugh. ITEP is a reliably left-wing special interest group that relies upon a static rather than dynamic model of human behavior when it comes to analyzing fiscal policy, funded by the usual suspects that favor leftist causes, such as Annie Casey, Ford, etc. Given that intellectual flaw that runs through their work, one must be very cautious with accepting their conclusions

24) Comment by lovemykids - 01/16/2013

"The governor’s package likely will come together shortly before session, Barfield said." In other words there will not be enough time to evaluate this plan before it is rammed through the legislature.

25) Comment by gtinla - 01/16/2013

Jindal's war on the lower and middle classes continues. And his delusions of being president continue.

26) Comment by Mr. T - 01/16/2013

If anyone is misinformed, It's Jindal and Barfield.

27) Comment by ScotB - 01/15/2013

Brick and mortar retailers in the state provide jobs, pay license fees, occupational taxes, property taxes, donate to charities and civic organizations. They do not need to be put at a further competitive disadvantage to online retailers who do none of the above. It was mentioned in another article that not requiring online retailers to collect sales tax is already costing our state $800M in revenue.....almost a billion dollars!!! Whatever Governor Jindal does needs to make sure that online retailers are subject to it as well. There are a lot of jobs in retail in this state.

28) Comment by beabea - 01/15/2013

That "stakeholder" line jumped out at me too. We assume, reasonably, that as voters and taxpayers we all have a stake in how we are taxed. But with these issues being worked out in closed- door meetings, not only will we not be privy to discussion of which stakeholder gets promised what; we don't even get to know who the stakeholders are. Except that we, the taxpayers, apparently are not among them.

29) Comment by bettergovt - 01/15/2013

They will argue that the move is "revenue neutral" and doesn't need to go before the voters. What scares me is these "closed door meetings with stakeholders." Everyone in the state is a stakeholder. How can it be closed door?

30) Comment by phil - 01/15/2013

Since the LA constitution now limits the amount of tax that can be collected unless a tax increase is approved by the voters, won't this proposal either require a change to be made to the LA Constitution or a vote of the public? Just a thought before someone forges ahead too fast and ends up getting involved in another lawsuit.