Letter: Why not more than two marrying?

For thousands of years, marriage has been the union of one man and one woman. Now the U.S. Supreme Court will decide if the preservation of such a concept of marriage is constitutional.

It has been argued that to prohibit homosexual “marriage” is a denial of some “right,” whether constitutional, civil, fundamental or personal. The Associated Press reports that gay marriage supporters will argue that there is a “fundamental constitutional right to marry for all citizens.” The issue is the right of states to define marriage as the union of one man and one woman.

In order to be successful, the homosexual lobby must convince the Supreme Court to eliminate the concept of one man and one woman.

However if “man” and “woman” are eliminated from the definition of marriage, why not eliminate the “one” and “one”? Should not all citizens have the constitutional right to marry? Two or three or more?

If it is an unconstitutional denial of rights to prohibit two gay or lesbian citizens to marry, why is it not a similar denial of constitutional rights for three or more to enjoy the same fictional constitutional right?

What is the legal justification to deny “marriage” to the following:

  • Three or more men.
  • Three or more women.
  • Two or more men and one woman.
  • Two or more women and one man.
  • Two or more men and two or more women.

However, the prerequisite must always be that all members in the group must be committed to one another.

Richard T. Regan

retired attorney

Slidell


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Comments (43)


1) Comment by wadep66 - 17/12/2012

The slippery slope argument is the lamest of defenses.

2) Comment by Whatnow - 15/12/2012

DMJ and twinkie1cat, okay, I will rephrase that statement of mine. Homosexual marriages are not found in the majority of society, which I consider the norm. Of course, gays should be given equal rights under the law. I am not judging them here. All laws should be obeyed whether we like it or not. If you don't like the law, change it. I'm sure it is about to be changed with the Supreme Court that we have in place now. Just like twinkie1cat found a church that believes that way she or he does, we should "ALL" be free to live as we want under the law, just as I am free to believe that there is only one final judge, God. And I am free to pray to God to help heal the hurts of this world according to his will. Not to man's will, but to his.

3) Comment by Mung - 14/12/2012

"thousands of years"??? I thought there were multiple examples of polygamy in the Old Testament? These guys decry excessive government regulation, yet demand that the government stop things they don't like. At one time some State goverments forbade interracial marriages. Times change, small minds don't.

4) Comment by DMJ - 14/12/2012

Cain and Abel was a parable, by the way.

5) Comment by krl777 - 14/12/2012

The practical answer to the question Mr. Regan asks has already been given by others commenting -- that nobody anywhere near the mainstream of American society is pushing for recognition of multiple-partner marriages. But there is a principled answer as well, which takes on the ideological point Regan was making. Multiple-partner marriages are historically rooted in gender oppression, so we have reasons to oppose them on human rights grounds that we do not have to oppose same-sex (one-on-one) marriage. Consider the status of women in the Fundamentalist LDS community at the Utah-Arizona border. If we could be assured that multiple-partner marriages did not involve coercion or oppression, there would be no good reason not to recognize them. But so far, it's not clear that anybody is interested in this arrangement except the Fundamentalist-LDS-types who practice institutionalized gender oppression.

6) Comment by twinkie1cat - 14/12/2012

Whatnow: You don't hear about gay marriage much here in Louisiana. However, they happen all the time and many are performed by my pastor. They are called Holy Unions. The reason you don't hear about them is because of the lack of legal sanction in Louisiana. Also, I am not sure they would print the announcement in the Advocate at this point, but they do in more enlightened states. I know one couple from Baton Rouge who got married in California while it was briefly legal before the Prop 8 folks messed things up. They are still legally married in California. I know a few others who have gone to places like Massachusetts.

7) Comment by twinkie1cat - 14/12/2012

bourbon-soda; The first hater was Cain, Adam's son. He was mad because God accepted his brother's sacrifice but not his. So he killed his brother Abel out of jealousy.......... Actually there have been gay marriages for generations. They just were not allowed to call them that legally. It is the same as when the slaves got married and "jumped the broom". It was not a legal marriage but a demonstration of commitment just as gays have today. And many of these relationships last for a lifetime.

8) Comment by Mygulfbleedsforu - 14/12/2012

I am in favor of allowing gays to marry. Having said that, what is the argument that the US Constitution allows the states to prohibit poly marriages but does not allow the states to prohibit same-sex marriages? I guess what I'm asking is, what is the answer to Mr. Regan's question?

9) Comment by DMJ - 14/12/2012

Whatnow, you said, "I didn't hear about many marriages between homosexuals." That's because you live in Louisiana. In the 1960s, you probably wouldn't have heard about too many interracial couples either, bub. The reason it's not the "norm" is because of social conservative politicians and their constituents who won't allow it to become legal in most of the country. Also, the normal vs. not normal debate is pointless. There is no such thing as "normal." One person's normal is another person's strange. Obviously, for gay people, being gay is quite normal. Think about it. Lastly, homosexuals have always been a small minority and probably always will be, but that's no reason to deny them civil rights and equal treatment under the law. They don't want special rights; they just want equal rights.

10) Comment by brwonk - 14/12/2012

If "pro-marriage" supporters are so concerned about the sanctity of marriage, how about a move for outlawing divorce to really protect it. I'm sure that would be very popular.

11) Comment by MBW - 14/12/2012

Here's a better idea: Try just worrying about your own family and your own life....and let others do the same.

12) Comment by Bouncer - 14/12/2012

So, who cares if bigots do not think homosexuality is "normal"? The ones decrying same-sex relationships are cut from the same cloth as those who find interracial relationships objectionable. Not to worry, though. As society becomes more enlightened, such attitudes will gradually die out.

13) Comment by Spudaroonski - 14/12/2012

Mildred Citizen, please define normal human behavior.

14) Comment by Whatnow - 14/12/2012

DMJ, I'm with Mildred... Just stop trying to convince people that it's normal and has been throughout history. I said I didn't hear about many marriages between homosexuals. There have always been homosexuals throughout history, though, as there are today. But, marriage between them has never been the norm in society.

15) Comment by Mildred Citizen - 13/12/2012

The reason the slippery slope argument keeps coming up is because it is a valid argument. Why don't people who don't like homosexual behavior just come out and say they don't like it and think it is perverted? As long as they don't bother me, it doesn't bother me. A guy can pick his nose and lick his fingers and I could care less. As long as their perverted actions do not negatively impact my life, they can do what they want as far as I am concerned. Just stop trying to convince people it's normal behavior.

16) Comment by tradewinns - 13/12/2012

marriage is a legal contract. don't agree? get a divorce, that'll open your eyes.

17) Comment by DMJ - 13/12/2012

billynurse, in what way is "freedom of speech" a judeo-christian value?? Might I remind you of the 3rd Commandment? Oh...and speaking of.... the 10th Commandment even prohibits freedom of thought. I think you need to re-read your bible, son.

18) Comment by bourbon-soda - 13/12/2012

@simba - Who taught the first idiot adult to hate? @nimby - laws only pertain until judges strike them down.

19) Comment by simbatigercat - 13/12/2012

Even children nowadays understand that a same sex marriage is as good as any other. It was President Obama's 2 young daughters who convinced him that it was ok. It's like when I explained to my mentally handicapped high school students that their black friend in the class would have had to go to a different school from the rest of them under segregation, they asked, "Why"? Children only see differences that matter unless some idiot adult teaches them to hate.

20) Comment by foldgers - 13/12/2012

I guess I feel this way about it. Churches should have the power to marry whoever. In the eyes of the government, it should be seen differently than a church sees it. The government should only worry about marriage for tax purposes (Not sure why getting married should change taxes paid, but that is another topic) If a church wants to marry 5 women to one man, go for it. But, for "tax" purposes, the government should just recognize ONE of those women as a wife and not give more tax breaks for having more than one spouse. One would be the limit. What I have always found stupid is that I could have 20 girlfriends. We could all live together and we can all have children...legally. BUT, if I say we are "married" in our church's eyes, then I can get arrested??? That makes no sense, to me at least. I personally laugh at "traditional" marriages when the bride and groom say "til death do us part" all the while it is the man's third or 4th marriage or vice versa.

21) Comment by Chucky - 13/12/2012

Sister Wives follows Kody Brown, his four wives and their 16 combined children on the TLC network. One tax loop-hole would be the marriage tax, you can still have children or any other dependent that you take care of as a deduction. I agree that government should get out of the couples game and let the churches take care of it. Now as a multicultural nation one should not have government telling people how many spouses they can have and of what sex.

22) Comment by Stephen - 13/12/2012

Moderation in all things.....

23) Comment by Duckyluve - 13/12/2012

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24) Comment by billynurse - 13/12/2012

Aaah, freedom of speech! Thank God for judeo-christian values that kept this from being a totalitarian, athiest, oppressive country. (i.e.- North Korea)

25) Comment by nimby? - 13/12/2012

it's called polygamy , there are already laws pertaining to the subject . can't imagine hiring this gentleman as an attorney . I've got to agree with my liberal friends that this is ridiculous . and Phil a long term relationship is not based on how much sex you have or if you even do , or how many children you have or haven't created . it is about a commitment to each other , to the relationship and to those under your care . ask any man who's been married a few years , there's more to it than sex . you seem to have a one track mind ...

26) Comment by twinkie1cat - 13/12/2012

Extremist are, by definition, always carrying things to extremes. This writer is trying to muddy the beauty of a loving adult relationship into something incongruous. In fact, in Old Testament times, thousands of years ago, there were several types of marriage, including one where a man was expected to marry his brother's wife if the brother died and produce children by that marriage, which would be considered his brother's children. Many of our forefathers of those times also had more than one wife that devoted followers of the very religion the politico-religionists of the fake version of Christianity protest today.......... By the way, there is no "homosexual lobby", only real Christians, Jews, and non-religious people who stand for equal human rights for everyone. Just as Martin Luther King had many followers who were not black and who worked through the government for human equalilty, so do the glbt communities have many heterosexual backers, including many in high places.

27) Comment by DMJ - 13/12/2012

Whatnow, here's a little history for you... http://www.gaychristian101.com/Gay-Marriage.html

28) Comment by NearBarbarian - 13/12/2012

The first sentence of the letter alone is cause enough to cease reading it: "For thousands of years, marriage has been the union of one man and one woman." There is no historical, or even biblical, evidence to support that statement.

29) Comment by DMJ - 13/12/2012

When did the right wing get collective ADD? You can't talk about one issue without them bringing up (and decrying) something no one is suggesting. No one is talking about making polygamy legal....or bestiality...or incest....or banning marriage all together. Try and focus on one thing at a time, folks. And phil, obviously, the "procreation" aspect of your argument holds no water. Are we to tell a woman who has had ovarian cancer that she can't get married because she "raise her own biological children"? Of course not. I'm pretty sure people have pointed this out to you numerous times before, yet you keep using the argument, as if it had never been successfully refuted.

30) Comment by SacredCow - 13/12/2012

The "gloom and doom" predictions surface early this time.... Yes, gay marriage will cause rivers to turn to blood, seas to boil, plagues of fashionably-dressed monkeys to run amok, Nazis to return to power riding on the backs of dinosaurs and brandishing light sabres, etc... just like every other societal progression caused. Oh, wait- none of that has happened yet.

31) Comment by Whatnow - 13/12/2012

@gary, the only one bringing up the Bible is you and your progressive friends and you assume the rest to come up with the authors sources. He never mentioned religion. I'm sure his comment was about the norm in societies. I haven't read about many marriages in history between members of the same sex. Have you?

32) Comment by phil - 13/12/2012

Let's just ban marriage completely and let everyone shack up. Then we can totally destroy our entire civilized system of morals etc. One of the basic reasons for marriage to begin with is for couples to have and raise their own biological children. Marriage never was intended for homosexuals, who cannot ever have their own children together. If homosexuals want to have a civil contract for other purposes like inheritance then I personally could care less. I think marriage for homosexual couples is not a good option for the continued long-term survival of civilization in general, and of the USA. What will be next - relaxing existing laws for incest etc.

33) Comment by SacredCow - 13/12/2012

The solution that **should** satisfy everyone is amazingly simple. Marriage is left to the churches- no longer will couples sign any legal documentation of their marriage. Couples could have a ceremony at the church or institution of their choice and then (or before- matters not) go the the Clerk of Court's office to sign the civil union contract where everything becomes legal in the eyes of the government. As with other contracts, anyone of legal age, sound mind, proof of citizenship, etc... can enter into the contract. The couples can decide for themselves what to call their ceremony and union- and it's nobody else's concern. That said.... this won't happen because the majority of people who are arguing against gay marriage on the "sacred institution" grounds are lying about their motives. They simply believe that homosexuals are inferior to them, and therefore do not deserve the same legal protections provided by the marriage contract.

34) Comment by DMJ - 13/12/2012

Holy Jesus, this is stupid. "For thousands of years marriage has been the union of one man and one woman"?? What a moron. This is what happens when you flunk World History. A more correct statement would be, "For thousands of years, the concept of marriage has continually changed." Polygamy was the norm for quite a long time (see: King David, King Soloman, Joseph Smith, etc.) Until quite recently, marriage was a economic and/or political arrangement. Heck, even today, some marriages are arranged by parents and/or elders. The very idea of 2 people getting married for no other reason than love (being the norm) is only about 200 years old. Regan, no one is talking about more than 2 people getting married! You yahoos always go to that bogus slippery-slope argument, a sure-fire sign of intellectual laziness. I'd say "grow up" but since you're already retired, I guess you have already. It's a shame your mind didn't mature along with your body. Do yourself a favor. Google "history of marriage" and see what you come up with. Then, hit yourself in the head with a tack hammer for not having sense enough to research something before writing a letter to the editor about it.

35) Comment by gary - 13/12/2012

Lovemykids - excellent point. I love how folks start throwing the bible as a reference point - fiction should never be used to justify history. I guess that is where Mr. Regan came up with his fiction about the thousands of years quote - those goat herders roaming around 3 to 7 thousand years ago, sure did come up with some off the wall comments - that can't proved.

36) Comment by lovemykids - 13/12/2012

"For thousands of years, marriage has been the union of one man and one woman." This false statement starts a ridiculous letter. This is similar to one of the arguments against interracial marriage.

37) Comment by Bouncer - 13/12/2012

Given the various permutations for marriage that you have proposed, my question is "Why not?" That is to say, if three men want to get married, if two men and one woman want to get married, blah, blah, blah, etc., etc., etc., ad infinitum, then it will not affect me or the quality of my life or my marriage. The way I see it, if the strength of my union is in any way dependent on what OTHER PEOPLE do with their lives, then I don't have a very strong marriage to begin with. What consenting adults choose to do, within legal limits, is none of my business.

38) Comment by bourbon-soda - 13/12/2012

A prominent Princeton philosophy professor on the ramifications of separation of sex and reproduction: http://www.utilitarian.net/singer/by/2001----.htm or google [peter singer heavy petting].

39) Comment by Bighug - 13/12/2012

In all the ranting by fundamentalist Christians about same-sex marriage, I've never once heard how it has any effect on them or their marriages. Perhaps one of them would send a letter explaining it. I'm a man married to a woman. If we should split, it sure as hell won't be because of who else is allowed to marry.

40) Comment by gary - 13/12/2012

Richard, I hope you didn't support Mittens for POTUS.

41) Comment by InPVille - 12/12/2012

Polyandry - two or more men and one woman can be a practical solution to survival of communities under certain geographic conditions. http://video.nationalgeographic.com/video/places/culture-places/beliefs-and-traditions/india_multiplehusbands/

42) Comment by Tea_Slayer - 12/12/2012

obviously, there is a good reason why the author of this letter is retired. He should stay that way.

43) Comment by Being_Stupid - 12/12/2012

Government should no longer recognize Marriage, only Civil Unions between consenting adults of age. Marriage is a function of Religion, not Government.