Letters: U.S. culture war will continue

While the recent re-election of President Barack Obama is a great disappointment to many people, the war is far from over. The cultural revolution in the United States took generations to triumph and it will take generations to roll back.

Conservatives must look past politics. The great battles will not be political, but rather moral, intellectual and spiritual. The adversary is not just another political party, but another faith, another way of seeing God and, indeed, another way of seeing man. The outcome won’t be decided in Congress, but rather in the schools, the media and the high court.

You see, the sought-after prize is the hearts and souls of the young. Poet Allen Ginsberg boasted, “We’ll get you through your children,” and we are seeing that come to fruition. They are using every means available to them to brainwash our children into changing our culture.

It is the Hitler mindset: If they do not go with us, it does not matter. We already have their children.

In order to win this culture war we find ourselves engaged in, we need not only a determined conservative spirit, to defend what is right about America, but a counterrevolutionary spirit to recapture what we have lost.

To preserve their rights, and their right to live as they wished, the Founding Fathers had to become rebels. We now find ourselves in the same situation if we are to defend and preserve that which they built for us.

And while it seems that there are more of them than us, I refuse to believe that every liberal in this country wants to see our civilization end in captivity. Many will eventually become allied with us and the truth will once again make us free. Many of the young people who have been wooed by the educational system and the media will mature to see the error of socialism. Many conservatives of today were liberals of yesterday who simply grew up.

Rome didn’t fall because it was defeated from without. It fell because it lost its culture. Rome was defeated from within by immigrants who did not understand or accept the Roman culture.

We face a similar situation in America today. A culture is taking root that is hostile to our religions, our traditions and our morality. It is a culture that would surrender us to a world government, thus surrendering our sovereignty.

The enemy has managed to divide us as a nation. Race against race, gender against gender, religious preference, sexual preference, rich vs. poor vs. middle class, pro-abortion vs. anti-abortion.

We have become a nation of one-issue voters. We may be like-minded on everything else, but still hate each other because of one issue; and vote accordingly.

The “divide and conquer” strategy still works. And the country that once was the melting pot of people looking for opportunity has become the melting pot of people looking for handouts.

This war could consume the balance of our lives, but we must raise our children to be strong, smart, independent and resilient against the anti-American lies they will be bombarded with by the enemies of America. The future of this great country depends upon it.

R. Glynn Kelly

postal retiree

Ethel


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1) Comment by Whatnow - 29/11/2012

Republican cronyism??? How about that bailout for Obama's friends. (http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/23/us/politics/ties-to-obama-aided-in-access-for-exelon-corporation.html?pagewanted=all) (http://freebeacon.com/cronyism-built-that/) ( http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0712/79042.html)

2) Comment by Tea_Slayer - 28/11/2012

and Fox has revivied the tired, old "war on christmas" meme, all because the RI governor has a Holiday Tree....the horror

3) Comment by Scrooge - 27/11/2012

Watch out the old pharts have declared a culture war. The Neanderthals probably felt threatened as well but they couldn't compete, mainly due to limited critical thinking prowess. Obviously vestiges have survived.

4) Comment by nimby? - 27/11/2012

gvm , I have made suggestions . such as a modern version of the 1930's CCC program . keeping medical and construction military units intact upon their return . use them where needed within our own borders ; there are more .

5) Comment by Terd Handler - 27/11/2012

You and your fellow cluckers lost the election, Kelly. Now crawl back ino your hole and get over it.

6) Comment by gvm - 27/11/2012

The problem with all of Nimby's posts is that, aside from complaining about 4th generation welfare abusers and offering generally divisive remarks, he never ever proposes solutions. It would be nice to see more balance from him. For instance, what about corporate welfare abuse and Republican cronyism? The latter being something our esteemed governor seems to be particularly fond of it seems to me. The real irony is that the vast majority of those who allege a culture war is underway are typically those who are guilty of waging it.

7) Comment by nimby? - 27/11/2012

OMK , I have been just as critical of every administration going back to LBJ . as to my statement only time will tell . the legalization of pot will make things more bearable .

8) Comment by Old Man Kensey - 27/11/2012

I don't necessarily disagree with the urban/rural aspect, but nimby's post was about doom, gloom, and blame. Everything was fine until O came around!!! Personally, I consider myself a city person that now lives on the edges in a more rural part and enjoy it and the people..

9) Comment by DMJ - 27/11/2012

Actually, I think nimby is right....about urban vs. rural, anwyay. If you look at the most recent elections, democrats tended to win urban areas, whereas republicans swept the countryside. According to the U.S. Census, for the first time in U.S. History, more people live in urban areas than rural areas. We have reached a tipping point of sorts. I happen to think this is a good thing, or at least not necessarily bad. And marijuana is closer to legal. Hooray for that! Of course, we live in a state where some people don't know we lost the Civil War, so we'll probably pass legalization last...just like we will with gay rights....just like we did with Civil Rights for minorities. Oh well...

10) Comment by Old Man Kensey - 27/11/2012

It really amazes me to see a post like nimby's after all the accusations of blame the RWers dish out. We were all living in utopia before that dasterdly democrat took office! Nobody ever smoked pit, unemployment was at zero percent, and no one ever went to jail. Businesses never went bankrupt before Obama took office and the city and rural folk all got along. Talk about a blame game. Based on the true unreality of the R W. At least, when we bring up issues about past admins, we hold them accountable for things they really did... like unnecessary wars in Iraq and the forgotten war in Afghan. But hey, they are coming to take your guns.. quick, everyone, be afraid, be very very afraid. Y'alls unreality is becoming more and more crazy as each day passes by.

11) Comment by Old Man Kensey - 27/11/2012

Yes nimby, the sky really is falling.

12) Comment by nimby? - 27/11/2012

the great divide is rural vs urban ; city folk don't like country folk and vice versa . this administration will continue to find no fault with itself . it won't be held accountable by those who voted for it nor will it be questioned by the media who supports it . taxes will rise as will the deficit . fuel prices will increase causing a domino effect among all products . more will stop seeking employment yet they won't be considered unemployed . more will seek federal assistance . as the dropout rate increases so will illiteracy . marijuana will be closer to legal , guns closer to illegal . health costs will rise ; the HCA will pass however its mandate will be unenforceable leaving taxpayers to pick up the tab . more businesses will close , file bankruptcy or move out of the country . all will be considered a misunderstanding , ignored or excused to be later explained . but hey , life is good , people are wonderful .

13) Comment by DMJ - 27/11/2012

Sandy, why stay aboard a sinking ship? What are you waiting for? Republicans to right the ship again? Please.

14) Comment by Sandy - 27/11/2012

Societies are born, grow to a peak and then decay until they die. We are well into the decay phase. It is highly unlikely it can be stopped. We may be able to slow the decay, but that is all.

15) Comment by Whatchange - 27/11/2012

@NearBarbarian; and what race of "Angry-?-Guy" are you. After reading these comments, I see a lot of "Angry People". Anyway, we all need to move along, this is nothing more than the bull-crap "The Advocate" prints everyday and we comment on everyday, its nothing new and never will be.

16) Comment by Tea_Slayer - 27/11/2012

twinkie1cat, if you can't come up with 450 words of your own, then don't write the letter. Had he sourced the quote, it would have only used 7 of his 450 word allotment. This is more about the fact that Mr Kelly is using the words of a well-known bigot and race baiter in his argument.

17) Comment by gofigger - 27/11/2012

Human nature at its' best........or worse, depending on how it's perceived.

18) Comment by twinkie1cat - 27/11/2012

You all keep talking about plagarism, but you have to consider that in a letter to the editor the writer only has 450 words to say his peace. While it would have been nice if he had cited his references, it would have taken his space.

19) Comment by Whatnow - 27/11/2012

DMJ, I was responding to Twinkie1Cat.

20) Comment by Scrooge - 26/11/2012

Buchanan? You mean Pat? Someone would actually plagiarize Pat Buchanan? I am absolutely shocked that anyone could be that mentally bankrupted and debauched. So not only are the suspicions of parroting real, these have the consistency of green parrot droppings. Hmmm, however there may be profit in writing completely spurious, badly written indictments of THOSE NOT LIKE US, many have done very well for themselves, just have to leave moral qualms at the door, not to mention "Christian" values.

21) Comment by NearBarbarian - 26/11/2012

You can say that again, Mr. Scrooge! But that might be a bit more culture than our culture warriors can tolerate. (Nietzsche! German nouns! Yeats! Modernism! Existentialism!) Hey, but I’m enjoying it! :) 1ryben: I’m with you. I’m not sure if I’m supposed to look for the waistband on or waste in my drawers because I got “waisted.” (My apologies. Your rejoinder is much better than mine, but I couldn’t resist.) Did you notice the unintended irony in Reb’s jab about truth. He must’ve not read the well-documented memo that Tea Slayer provided, revealing that the letter is actually cut and pasted from a hardly credible source (see below). And to top it off, Chem condescendingly admonishes everyone about being students of history without bothering to notice that many of the left-leaning and moderate commentators below indicate a sincere interest in past writers, actual history, and in paying attention to the past as we move into the future (e.g., Scrooge and Twinkie1). But do facts, details, and truths matter when the Karl Rove school of history—“we create our own reality”—is impudently displayed by most of the “conservative” comments? Capital N. Capital O. Which is sad for all of us—right, left, and center. These guys (AWGs) might think this is a bar brawl on a Saturday night, but they’re the only ones drinking (figuratively speaking, of course). I guess I need to get back to searching for the waistband, waste, party, or whatever. Nah. I think I’ll go back to researching Iron Age Britain, if it’s all the same. Cheers!

22) Comment by Scrooge - 26/11/2012

Mr. Kelly states, " They are using every means available to them to brainwash our children into changing our culture." but this is so badly written that conservatives could be the dreaded "they". What culture, the one that wants to privatize the post office, retired postal employee? So your children won't have that opportunity, right? So privatization of schools is the answer where children are commodities and where progress is measured by profit? How many parents consider profit a valid measure of the development of their children? If profit were the point, it likely that not many people would have children in the first place. Since divisiveness was practiced equally all around, Pogo said it best, "We have met the enemy and he is us".

23) Comment by Scrooge - 26/11/2012

BeingISStupid Why stop with Ayn Rand, a mediocre thinker? Nietzsche was vastly more profound, the noble ubermensch the logical, final conclusion. Only one large existential problem. Hint: What beast slouches toward Bethlehem to be born?

24) Comment by 1ryben - 26/11/2012

Ok, I'll take the bait. What's a PANTY waisted liberal? And is that a part of a skinny jean? I once got wasted at a party. Is that the same? Similar?

25) Comment by Reb - 26/11/2012

OOOH... That letter struck a nerve with the PANTY waisted liberals.... The truth always puts them into a frenzy..... Nice job Mr Kelly....

26) Comment by Clem - 26/11/2012

There are some valid points in Mr. Kelly's remarks. Hey He's got the freedom to express his opinions just like the winning team does - thats the spirit of democracy. But what would be of great value if both sides can learn from this. It appears that the new culture is blanking out all of the past. Somehow you have to remember that everything in the past was not a total disaster as it appears some "Forward" thinkers are coming across with. How about this food for thought ? I think that in this election it came down to the choice of the lesser of two evils. Only time will tell if what the majority elected will bear fruit. For me I'll sit back and be one of the 47%ers.

27) Comment by NearBarbarian - 26/11/2012

The hug's inclusive, nimby? There's plenty of room for you, too.

28) Comment by nimby? - 26/11/2012

group hug .

29) Comment by NearBarbarian - 26/11/2012

Wallop--I echo you: it's nice to know we southern lefties are not alone. Tea Slayer--thanks so much for bringing the theft to light; even though I'm sure the Angry White Guys (AWGs) who dominate The Advocate's comment sections will forge some rationale in the writer's defence, or will create a list of suspected liberal plagiarists. And DMJ: "Creepy" is probably the best description possible. Also, my impulse is to be dismissive of the AWGs and to tell them to "get over it." But the more I think about it, I don't think we can afford to dismiss them or tell them that. Seeing what the right has done to EVERYONE (non-white, white, female, male, gay, and straight) for nearly four decades cannot be brushed under the rug with kid gloves. We, instead, need to allow room for natural selection: everyone needs to see these guys, their thinking, and their activities so that we're not all led down the same dangerous path we have been. Based on the comments here and elsewhere, the AWGs wilfully deny responsibility for anything. And given the "Implosion" letter from this weekend; this stolen passage from a racist, Nixonian hack's book; references to a pseudo-Nietzschean hedonist's works as if they're scripture (ironic given that Rand was a philanderer and atheist who received welfare); and the broken record of retreaded sound bites from FOX, Limbaugh, Savage, Drudge, Coulter, ad nauseum--it's our duty as responsible citizens to hold them accountable and to call them out. (We, of course, need to do the same with the Democratic Party and Mr. Obama.) Als Lastly, thanks to Twinkie1 and others for reminding us of the moral stakes.

30) Comment by DMJ - 26/11/2012

Or...you could be a literary thief who made a living (and retired) from a socialist enterprise (a worthwhile one, in my opinion) yet lectures the youth on their inability to know the errors of socialism. What a joke...

31) Comment by Bouncer - 26/11/2012

In all fairness, keep in mind that our current vice president is also a plagiarist, so Mr. Kelly is rubbing shoulders with greatness, so to speak. When Biden was running for president in 1988, I think it was, it was found that he had used substantial portions of speeches given by John F. Kennedy, Hubert Humphrey, and Robert Kennedy, among others, without citing and attributing. He confessed also to plagiarizing a substantive portion of a research paper he "wrote" while in law school. So, there's a lesson for the boys and girls. You can be a literary thief and still rise to one of the highest offices in the country. Ain't America grand?

32) Comment by Tea_Slayer - 26/11/2012

Yeah, I was searching for the Allen Ginsberg quote to verify its authenticity and came across a snippet of Buchanan’s book. Lo and behold, Mr. Kelly plagiarized. As for the Ginsberg quote, it comes from a book by Norman Podhoretz (a contemporary of Ginsberg’s) wherein the author states that Ginsberg uttered those words to him. The question remains, however: In what context does Ginsberg make this statement? The only other instances of this quote on the intertubes is on various RW conspiracy theorist sites (surprise, surprise) since the RW (including Buchanan) have taken it to mean indoctrination.

33) Comment by DMJ - 26/11/2012

Plagiarizing Pat Buchanan?? Ha! If you're going to be a lazy intellectual thief, at least steal from someone smarter. Pathetic.

34) Comment by gary - 26/11/2012

@twinkie1cat, as an ole hippie and Nam vet I share your views. Excellent comment.

35) Comment by swinham - 26/11/2012

I know Mr. Kelly. While I often disagree with him politically and philosophically, I have always appreciated his ability to articulate his beliefs, especially in writing. If Tea_Slayer's charge of plagiarism is correct, I am very disapointed in Glynn. He did not need to resort to ripping Pat Buchanan off to get his point across. That said, there is little I could add to twinkie1cat's response in the way of rebuttal, other than to restate the obvious: "the good old days" have been a myth for generations.

36) Comment by DMJ - 26/11/2012

Whatnow, I thought this letter was a conservative blaming the ills of the country on liberals. Did I miss something?

37) Comment by Tea_Slayer - 26/11/2012

Too funny.... Mr. Kelly being a good parrot for the RW couldn't even use his own words, but resorted to plagiarizing the bigot, Pat Buchanan – “As the cultural revolution took generations to triumph, it will take generations to roll back. And the great battles will not be political, but moral, intellectual, and spiritual. For the adversary is not another party, but another faith, another way of seeing God and man. And the outcome will be less often decided in Congress than in the schools, the media, and the high court. For the prize contested is the souls of the young. "We'll get you through your children," boasted poet Allen Ginsberg in unconscious echo of that other cultural revolutionary, Adolf Hitler: If they do not go with us, it does not matter. We already have their children. Needed for victory is not only a conservative spirit, to defend what is right about America and the West, but a counterrevolutionary spirit to recapture lost ground. To preserve their rights, and their right to live as they wished, the Founding Fathers had to become rebels.” -- The Death of the West, Pat Buchanan pp.229-30

38) Comment by Whatnow - 26/11/2012

Nice letter. Just how far do Progressives go back to blame someone for the ills of the country and when does the blame stop? I thought the mantra was to Move Forward. How can they do that when there is still so much anger from the past? We have today and the future to worry about. Chucky, you are right. Who will set the standards on the perfect country or citizen? And what will happen when people don't conform to that standard?

39) Comment by nimby? - 26/11/2012

'And by the way, the liberals of the 1960s did not grow up and become conservatives" , wrong . many of us realized there was no free lunch , we educated ourselves , and made sure our children did the same . the war on poverty courted one race because of their numbers and ability to vote in mass . in spite of this many are entering a 4th generation of the cycle . native Ameicans benefited more from republican administrations , starting with Nixon . most have a low opinion of the president . the BIA is a joke . many tribes still exist in third world conditions , while urban dwellers ignore opportunities presented them .

40) Comment by 8point6 - 26/11/2012

Great letter, Mr. Kelly. Thank you.

41) Comment by Chucky - 26/11/2012

Diversity is a wonderful thing, till I see those with more money than me, a better job than me, better educated than me, that have a different view-point than me ( believe in a god not believe in a god, are Left and not Right ) then it becomes a matter of lets level the playing field, those over there are greedy and those over there are paranoid. Diversity is OK if we all have the same, and all are on the same page, because if they are not, then the name calling starts and the politicians know how that game is played and how the people are played.

42) Comment by Being_Stupid - 26/11/2012

Ayn Rand predicted all this would eventually happen. There was almost no way to stop it. More Laws, Less Freedom, More Taxes, Less Property Rights, everything she predicted is coming true.

43) Comment by twinkie1cat - 26/11/2012

First Mr. Kelly, do you realize that you are part of the 47%, Romney's entitled moochers?? A retiree of the post office gets a lovely government pension because they have a good union and mail service is an absolutely necessary component of American society. Now sir, how far back do you want to go? All the way back to slavery times or just to the 1950s and Jim Crow? Do you want to return to times when a high school education was considered a luxury and 10 year olds worked the fields? How about the days when a family could commit an unwanted, elderly, eccentric, handicapped or otherwise "different" member to a state mental institution with no more than a doctor's note. How about the early 1970s when children with disabilities were not allowed in regular public schools and if they went at all, it was because a parent group paid for a private teacher. Equal educational opportunity did not have to occur until 1975, well after I started teaching. Would you go back to when we persecuted the Native Americans and took their lands? After all, conservative school curricula that your tax money now pays for thanks to Bobby Jindal's rape of the public schools say the Trail of Tears was a good thing because many Native Americans became Christians while being evicted. Where would you go back to? I grew up in the 1950s and 1960s and I think the cultural change is good for America. We are not perfect but we are more inclusive. As I looked at our Thanksgiving service yesterday in my evangelical Christian church I saw a congregation celebrating its reasons for giving thanks. That congregation has gay and straight, black, white and Creole, old and young, wealthy and homeless and even a sprinkling of Republicans. When they come in some cross themselves and others might break out into tongues or dance. But we are Americans together and American is a good place, not perfect by any means, but good. And it is not falling apart because we have a good Christian president who is trying to make it better a a lot of people who got sick of conservatives and supported him instead. And by the way, the liberals of the 1960s did not grow up and become conservatives. The hippies among us are the community activists, change makers and social service providers of the 21st century. We also write to the Advocate because our teachers did not have to teach us to pass standardized tests so they taught us to read, write, and spell instead.

44) Comment by DMJ - 26/11/2012

Creepy, stupid letter. But...there's a silver lining. If needlessly paranoid people are upset, it usually means we're doing something right. And Mr. Kelly is dilusional if he thinks only liberals engage in culture wars. One more thing....anyone else notice the irony of a retired postal employee warning the rest of us about creeping socialism?? Hahahaha!!! Obviously, the irony was lost on our friend, R. Glynn. Yet another sky is falling letter. Starting to get bored...

45) Comment by NearBarbarian - 26/11/2012

I think this letter is an indication that the "culture war" is already over--a final death moan. Does anyone have a wooden stake to make certain? And slye753, I think you mean "fascism," not "socialism." If you're thinking of German National Socialism of the early 20th century, it was not socialist in any conventional sense (the Nazis hated socialists, communists, Marxists, etc. and dealt with them accordingly).

46) Comment by tradewinns - 26/11/2012

all great nations, or empires, have been destroyed from within.

47) Comment by bourbon-soda - 26/11/2012

Heres a plan: Expand the government so more people work for it. This will make it in their self-interest to vote for expanded government. Devalue, by personal attack, the opinion of any government worker who dissents from the above.

48) Comment by dday198 - 26/11/2012

@ spqr yep he did earn it. he's not the only one that has earned a retirement or ss or medicare that people has paid into all their working lives that he doesn't seem to care 2**its about. let the man live in the 50's as long as he can. seems like it's all about him and everyone else making adjustments for what he believes and the way he wants it to be. the people have spoken get over it.

49) Comment by nimby? - 26/11/2012

is everything Mr Kelly said incorrect ? as urban areas push outward so will their problems . all one need do is look at the electorate map . the major divide in the country is urban vs rural . city folk don't like country folk , and vice versa . never change ....

50) Comment by palefire - 26/11/2012

it amazes me that a person that has lived so long has not learned one of life's universal truths: culture is ever changing. R. Glynn Kelly apparently wants his "America" back. Which America that might be he does not clarify. Perhaps it is the America of fifty years ago. If so, which one? The culture of Harlem or of Ethel? San Francisco or Omaha?

51) Comment by Chucky - 26/11/2012

grow up get over it crazy paranoid deluded mumbo jumbo duh. Well at least the posters are not being shy, must have hit a nerve.

52) Comment by potkcalb - 26/11/2012

Once again I can do no better than to quote that prophetic sage Chicken Little who said "The sky is falling, the sky is falling"?

53) Comment by lovemykids - 26/11/2012

Can we say "paranoid"?

54) Comment by spqr - 26/11/2012

@dday...the man EARNED his government pension.

55) Comment by slye753 - 26/11/2012

religion and patriotic mumbo jumbo. a good start towards socialism. just saying

56) Comment by Spudaroonski - 26/11/2012

Mr. Kelly I'm sure you are a decent person and you did a fine job when you were a postal employee and I for one believe that you deserve every penny of whatever pension you may now be receiving because you earned it. I wonder though if you realize that Mitt Romney was talking about people such as yourself when he made his 47% remark when he thought no one was watching. That's right Mr. Kelly, Mitt really does believe you and those like you are a bunch of moochers who just want "stuff". You know, just lazy good for nothing takers. Also it sounds as though you really don't have a problem with brainwashing children either as long as they're brainwashed with religion and patriotic mumbo jumbo. I do agree with you on a culture war being waged though but it is people such as yourself who are waging it.

57) Comment by Wallop - 26/11/2012

postscript, you make very good points. I hope someone submits a letter responding to the above addressing all of them. And thanks to all four posters on here from saving me from my foolish feeling that I had to address this guy myself. It's nice to know that the entire world isn't crazy.

58) Comment by postscript56 - 26/11/2012

For Kelly his fellow Americans are not neighbors with another point of view. No, they are "enemies" who must be "defeated" in "war." When someone like Kelly resorts to using such descriptions as "brainwash," "Hitler," "surrender us to a world government," etc. he forfiets his right to be treated with respect. Talk like that reveals Kelly to be among the paranoid and the deluded. Kelly complains about the "enemy" who divides us as a nation without even realizing he is that enemy and it is his belief that fellow citizens are "enemies" which is divisive. Gary's melting pot comment is apropos, and thanks to dday for pointing out Kelly is receiving a government pension. Nothing like biting the hand that feeds you.

59) Comment by Bighug - 26/11/2012

Today's conservative is nowhere near what was considered conservative just a decade ago. Sounds like Kelly needs to grow up.

60) Comment by dday198 - 26/11/2012

the 47% beat Romney and the Koch bros. get over it Mr. Kelly and enjoy your government pension.

61) Comment by gary - 26/11/2012

R. Glynn - are you talking about a revolution? That kinda stuff didn't work out too well back in the 1860's. It is time to move on - your team lost the election. The melting pot you refer to - duh - that is what happens when folks of all color, christians and anti- christians vote.