Our Views: Political game on new minor

A few of Louisiana’s anti-gay politicians continue to major on the minors, having protested the establishment of a minor in lesbian and gay studies at the University of Louisiana at Lafayette.

As a minor, such a credential on a diploma may help a student advance in graduate school. It costs ULL essentially nothing. Like most major universities ULL already offers the courses in sociology, literature or other fields that can be taken for the minor.

Nor is this an unusual field of study. ULL President Joe Savoie noted in his blog that courses in gay and lesbian studies have been offered for many years at many universities around the country.

In fact, gay studies majors — not minors — are offered at many major institutions.

“Regardless of our personal feelings, as an academic institution, the university is obligated and committed to, within the law, the discovery and dissemination of knowledge, the protection of individual and group rights, and the preservation of religious and academic freedoms,” Savoie wrote on his blog.

“Our desired posture is to be neither advocate nor adversary on controversial social issues of the day. Rather, our responsibility is to provide in an impartial manner an opportunity for investigation, analysis and understanding.”

We agree with Savoie. This should not be controversial.

Let’s not major on the minors.


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1) Comment by ScotB - 17/09/2012

I stand corrected. Apparently, there is a need for some people in some professions to understand homosexual behavior. After thinking it over, I agree. If there are sufficient people interested in taking a class to understand homosexuals, why object? There are many classes that universities offer in the arts and humanities that are difficult to directly attribute a cost/benefit analysis in the workforce. I still question whether this should actually be a minor, but if there are sufficient people to support it, then so be it.

2) Comment by Tea_Slayer - 17/09/2012

Phony outrage keeps Gene Mills employed.

3) Comment by DMJ - 17/09/2012

The phony outrage over an LBGT minor is part of the swan song of the anti-gay rights crowd. Sometimes, when people are losing, they fight more. Go figure...

4) Comment by Tea_Slayer - 16/09/2012

I push our buttons because it is easy to expose your bigotry. You never fail to disappoint me. That you embrace your bigotry and resort to the argument that bigots outnumber rational folks just exposes how weak your argument is. Enjoy our fantasy world, unfortunately it's not the real world the rest of us enhabit.

5) Comment by Whatnow - 16/09/2012

Thank you, Bouncer. My eyes aren't quite up to par either.

6) Comment by Bouncer - 16/09/2012

My apologies for attributing the wrong post to the wrong person. It was someone else, not you. My eyes aren't always what they used to be.

7) Comment by Whatnow - 16/09/2012

Who's ranting? I was laughing, actually. You said, "On another post, you made a scornful remark about requiring welfare recipients to work 14 hour days picking up trash." You need to show me that.

8) Comment by Bouncer - 16/09/2012

Whatnow...I don't quite understand why you're getting so overwrought and riled up by the exchanges in this forum. The fact of the matter is that your rant below suggests to me that you're the one who is scared and nervous about change or anything that doesn't fit into your pre-conceived notion of how the world should be. Inviting those who do not agree with you to leave is a foolproof indicator of a provincial mindset. I hate to be the one to tell you, but nobody is leaving. You will simply have to adjust to more and more diversity and learn to get along. Your way of thinking is becoming obsolete, even in Louisiana, and within a few generations, it will be all but dead. I think that will be a good thing. On another post, you made a scornful remark about requiring welfare recipients to work 14 hour days picking up trash. That flies in the very face of the principle of Christian charity, don't you think? What would Jesus do? Frankly, I think Jesus would be ashamed of you. Anyway, not trying to cause trouble. Just sayin', as the kids say.

9) Comment by Whatnow - 16/09/2012

@Tea-Slayer, you assume quite a lot about me. But, you know what they say about people who assume. You know nothing about my activities. You called me a bigot. Do you think calling me that stupid word scares me or makes me ashamed? I laugh when I'm called racist or a bigot. Name calling is for third graders. That's when we know we make you and you liberals nervous and we are winning the fight. It's because there are more of us than there are of you. It's a word that can be used for you, too. You are a bigot against Christians. And we could care less how you use a word. If bashing Christians gets you excited, then you know what that makes you. You will not shake our faith and it just eats you alive. We will stand by our values and you can stand by yours. If you don't like Louisiana's Christian MAJORITY when don't you move to a state that is more liberal, like California. Instead you come on here and spout your liberal hogwash that has become so stale that no one even cares anymore. You are just so outnumbered. I will no longer converse with liberals on here. I will no longer even read what you have to say. You are insignificant like knats. I will not put myself in your line of fire with your inconsequential nonsense. Trading barbs on here will do me no good. But, I will post my opinion to the letter writer if I see fit. If you want to attack me, I could care less. I should be spending more time with my fellow Christians to protect against the "If it Feels Good" generation who is trying to change society for their way of life. I still like the saying about "Sticks and Stones". Your words will never hurt me.

10) Comment by Tea_Slayer - 16/09/2012

Bouncer, you may be interested in reading this little nugget from teapot-stirrer, Gene Mills. http://tinyurl.com/8c6g34k It's quite sickening how much power this little man has.

11) Comment by Bouncer - 16/09/2012

I understand that, TS. There can be no other explanation for such a tempest in a teapot. I would have a tiny shred of respect for these politicians if they would at least be honest and upfront about their bigotry and stop cloaking it under the guise of "fiscal concern" or some such other attempt to fog their real motives. Crying foul over a minor in so-called "gay studies" makes as much sense to me as getting bent out of shape over a minor in "film studies." If students are interested in a field of inquiry at a university and the resources are in place, I say let them study that field to their hearts content.

12) Comment by Tea_Slayer - 16/09/2012

Bouncer, religion is the root of the uproar and religion is inherently irrational.

13) Comment by Bouncer - 16/09/2012

I fail to see what the uproar is about, other than certain people simply not liking anything related to homosexuality. Let's look at this from a purely practical, commonsense perspective. (A) the courses for the minor are already available at the university, so no special funding or other monetary expenditure is necessary to fund such a minor: (B) the minor is open to those students who are INTERESTED in the field of study; (C) it is not a REQUIRED curriculum, so any student uninterested in it does not have to study it; (D) some students (believe it or not) are interested in learning for its own sake and do not take each and every course with an eye toward how it will financially reward them in the future. The bottom line is that courses and instructors to teach them are already in place at the university, so there is no logical reason not to offer the minor. Any outcry against it cannot stand up to rational examination.

14) Comment by Tea_Slayer - 16/09/2012

It is sad that someone like tradewinns who can have a coherent logical discussion about any other topic is reduced to spouting nonsense when it comes to the LGBT topic. The company I work for has policies that discuss domestic partnerships and gives those partners certain privileges. The world is changing for the better, despite whatnow and his band of bigots. Speaking of which, I bet whatnow has tickets to LFFs victory banquet. Probably sitting front and center like a good toadie. If you want a glimpse of what this organization is really about I suggest you read this. Gene Mills doesn't eve try to hide it anymore. http://tinyurl.com/8bm3m9q

15) Comment by tradewinns - 16/09/2012

i was in business for 37 years. i do not remember one instance where i or any other member of management submitted to HR a request for an employee that ever stated anything about the sexuality of a prospect. i do remember many job skills that was required or preferred, but not one that was either gay or straight. i guess nowadays these same positions can specify whether they prefer long or short hair, it's color,cut etc. then after an exhausted description of the individual requested, we can see if they can do the job.

16) Comment by chem - 16/09/2012

I find it interesting that all of the loving, caring christians are the ones railing against this minor, which is an elective. Y'all keep on. You just make my point that religious types are the ones that are bigoted and intolerant.

17) Comment by SuzanneMS - 16/09/2012

Because, chem, don't you know that "education" is all about job training? What did you think? That it was about becoming a more informed, enlightened, and cultured individual? How quaint. No one chooses to be gay anymore than they choose to be straight, Mildred. Gay and lesbian studies does not provide "expertise on being homosexual." Being homosexual is the only thing that does that. Gay and lesbian studies educates students in the political, social, cultural, and historical responses of society to those with sexual orientations other than heterosexual. It also provides students with the opportunity to examine and analyze our society's definitions of "normal" and "abnormal" in all areas of life, to understand how we construct our definitions of and attitudes toward sexuality and gender and to re-examine their own attitudes towards themselves and toward others who are different from themselves in any way. It's about the intersection of race, class, gender and sexuality. It's as much about what it means to be straight as gay, and about what it means to be male or female, man or woman, and how those definitions and roles have changed and continue to change.

18) Comment by chem - 16/09/2012

so maybe we should just get rid of the psychology program. perhaps English degrees, history, fine arts, music, and whatever else can be thought of. Not sure of the point being made about the people making $10 per hour.

19) Comment by ScotB - 16/09/2012

I know two young men with degrees in psychology. One works at Hot Topic and the other as a gopher for a film production company. Neither makes over $10/hour. Just saying. The courses may already be offered, but still not likely the most productive use of taxpayer funds.

20) Comment by chem - 16/09/2012

For those who only read what they want to see, here is a repost of some of the businesses in which this minor would be helpful: An HR career, nursing, psychology, counseling, medicine and to those just wanting to know more about society. And as the opinion stated, the courses are already being offered for the minor, so there is no additional cost to the university. Seems like the shoe is on the other foot now.

21) Comment by Mildred Citizen - 15/09/2012

Taxpayer dollars are invested to help subsidize the cost of tuition at this institution. I could care less about whether someone chooses to be gay, but I just don't think there is a lot of need in the workforce for people having expertise on being homosexual. This is simply not the best use of taxpayer funds.

22) Comment by phil - 15/09/2012

Yes I agree there could be a college course for adults who are mentally and physically ready to study the growing use and acceptance of perversion of sex and how it transmits AIDS and hurts the value system of the USA. By all means, teach that course at all colleges.

23) Comment by Straight Shooter - 15/09/2012

Please keep all of those exclamation marks confined to outdoor signs, not comments. It comes across a desperate opinion.

24) Comment by chem - 15/09/2012

"But, it's okay when they shove their garbage agenda down ours." There is no comparison to forcing the teaching of creationism to impressionable young children who do not know any better, and offering an ELECTIVE to college students. Yes, it is an elective. No one is forcing anyone to take such courses. And no one is forcing anybody to "adopt" a lifestyle. Seems as though the ranting is coming from the religious, conservative bigots.

25) Comment by SuzanneMS - 15/09/2012

Wonder what I said? I think it was a very mild four-letter word, but Whatnow can talk about things being shoved down throats with impunity (ahem). "Creeping progressivism?" It's not creeping -- it's arrived. And it's not "progressivism," it's called "civil rights." Predictably, tradwinns reduces education to vocational training, and Whatnow rants about "bias" because some view other than his own is given equal time. No one is forcing anyone to minor in this field. It is purely voluntary, but he would limit an entire segment of the human race to nothing but a brief mention in a textbook. What "agenda?" Where can we find it and read it for ourselves? What "lifestyle" are you being forced to adopt? Blind hatred, denial of civil rights and liberties, dehumanization -- these are pretty much the textbook definition of biogtry. Bull Connor would be proud. You have a choice whether to be a bigot. Sexual orientation is not a choice. Even if it were, no one in the LGBT community is denying you any rights or, despite your insistence to the contrary, attempting to tell you how to live your life. We all know the names you are referring to, and by that reference, you've already fallen about as low as you can go.

26) Comment by SuzanneMS - 15/09/2012

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27) Comment by Whatnow - 15/09/2012

More liberal views from The Advocate. Why am I not surprised? What a biased article! And the liberals rant about religion being shoved down their throats. But, it's okay when they shove their garbage agenda down ours. As usual, hypocrites. It should only be a chapter in the books that chem mentioned. The gays and lesbians are only a small fraction of society and they are pushing their lifestyle on America. No where does it say that we HAVE to be tolerant of their agenda. Yes, they can call me a bigot. Big deal. Ohhh, I'm so ashamed, Not! It's just like the word racist these days, the word is irreverent. I can use a lot of names for them, too. But they wouldn't like them and I wouldn't dream of falling to that level to try to win an argument.

28) Comment by chem - 15/09/2012

Yea, this is being used against society. When everyone minors in gay studies, they will of course be converted to gays and lesbians. This minor would be useful in an HR career, nursing, psychology, counseling and to those just wanting to know more about society. And neither can the opponents to this keep from showing their biases.

29) Comment by jdk944 - 15/09/2012

The Advocate can't even present a position without using absolute statements which are based on their own prejudices and biases!!! They are guilty of that they claim to abhor. Once again, typical!!

30) Comment by tradewinns - 15/09/2012

how large is the need in business for this degree?

31) Comment by rgeraldwallace@cox.net - 15/09/2012

More creepiing progressive nonsense that is being used against society to change it.