Letters: Evolution attitude misdirected

In a June 15 letter to the editor (“Macroevolution impossible”), frustrations concerning aspects of evolution were presented. While it would take pages to correct the silly mistakes presented in that letter I would like to help clear up two of the major misunderstandings

First, those concerned that evolution is inappropriately broken into two parts, “microevolution” and “macroevolution,” need not fear. We humans like to put things into boxes, whether they fit or not.

For example, searching the world over will reveal a continuum of woody plants, from very short to very tall, and yet, the botanists break the world of woody plants into two major groups: trees and shrubs. Those designations exist to make life easier for humans, but they do not necessarily represent an absolute division in nature.

The debate over micro- and macroevolution misunderstands the difference between how humans label nature and nature itself. The concepts microevolution and macroevolution represent just such an attempt to break one of nature’s complicated continuums into discrete units.

Many small changes (microevolution) eventually lead to big changes (macroevolution). It may be difficult to believe, but the Mississippi River that flows beside Baton Rouge is the culmination of a multitude of headwater streams each small enough step over.

Secondly, what we call “science” is an attempt to understand what is in nature and how nature works. Those that discover and describe nature by looking at nature (Isaac Newton, Albert Einstein, E.O. Wilson, etc.) are called scientists.

Scientists don’t create the laws of nature, but once discovered, those laws can be used to do “magic.” For example, the raw materials used to make cellphones are basically sand, mud, and oil. How those raw materials are used to make a cellphone is called “chemistry,” which is a shorthand way to refer to our knowledge of how nature works at the level of atoms and molecules.

“Evolution” and “biology” are shorthand ways to refer to how nature works in relation to living organisms. That living organisms change over time, that they are related to one another and that new species can arise from existing species is not an invention of scientists, but a description of what we see happening in nature when we look at nature.

To put this another way, if you are upset about evolution, or the tides, or that water runs downhill, go outside and yell at the universe, it makes the rules, scientists just describe how the game is played.

A robust and accurate education for our children, especially at the high school level, would do much to alleviate these misdirected frustrations.

Michael Ferro

extension associate, LSU

Baton Rouge


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Comments (22)


1) Comment by gofigger - 27/06/2012

@HRoark - It's called FAITH. Take it or leave it, your choice!

2) Comment by HRoark - 27/06/2012

Let's see, Mr. Ferro posited that the Miss River comprises the collective waters of rivulets small enough to step across. BigHug attempted to upend the hypothesis by offering data that conflicted with Mr. Ferro's data. The result is a modified hypothesis that states that the Miss River comprises waters from BOTH large and small streams. This becomes our working hypothesis, which is quite useful in hydrology, because it is predictive, is consistent with the data, and is potentially falsifiable via conflicting empirical data. Evolution must meet the same criteria, and it does. That's science folks! I'd like to see the creationists/ID advocates offer a better analogy to support their views.

3) Comment by nimby? - 27/06/2012

Tea_Slayer , interesting point . always wondered how time was measured in the old testament ; on one hand the world was created in 6 days , on the other Methuselah lived 969 years . the day of rest is the 7th day , the sabbath , saturday , so says the bible ....

4) Comment by nimby? - 27/06/2012

Worlds in Collision , written by Immanuel Velikovsky in the 50's offers some interesting reading , theories towards events as told in the old testament ....

5) Comment by Tea_Slayer - 27/06/2012

potkcalb, no apology is necessary. In the English language, if you do not know the sex of the person to whom you are referring, you use "he" I have never liked when writers use "he/she" when the sex of the person is unknown. Triple is just trying to muddy the waters, so he can claim victory. On another note, the bible states that god created the heavens and earth in 6 days, and that earth was created on the sixth. A day is measured as "a division of time equal to 24 hours and representing the average length of the period during which the earth makes one rotation on its axis." Well, if the earth wasn't around to rotate, then how did god measure a day? I'd say it's an allegory (for those that believe in a god), and they should take it as such. God didn't have to create things instantly; his "day" could have lasted eons.and evolution could have been his way of creating Adam and Eve. There is no reason for the religious folks to to disparage science just because they believe god created everything.

6) Comment by ABayouBoy - 27/06/2012

Seems like it always comes down to science vs. religion. To put it in perspective, or the proper scale, just imagine time and space. Its taken us about 8 months just to send a spacecraft to the nearest planet, Mars. It takes approx. 60 or 70 hrs. just to receive data transmissions from our most distant spacecrafts, Voyager 1 & 2, now at the outer reaches of our solar system. Think of the vast scale of the trillions of stars out there, and our relative place on the Earth. While I'm one of science and technology's biggest fans, I also don't know if we are capable of understanding infinity. But, in my humble way, I do enjoy the search for answers. I do believe that the universe has an intelligent purpose, a Creator. So as far as God is concerned, I keep an open mind.

7) Comment by Triple - 26/06/2012

@Potkcalb,  none of this is important. But since you asked, in this very discussion, your condescending response to Phil includes, "No one knows what you are talking about" could that assumption be wrong? But again, much ado about nothing.   One day, when they throw dirt in your face, maybe some of your other assumptions will be just as flawed.   Two have been uncovered in this brief discussion.

8) Comment by potkcalb - 26/06/2012

My apologies to Tea_Slayer if I made a mistake about sex determination. But more importantly what assumptions have I made in my posts that you think may be wrong?

9) Comment by Triple - 26/06/2012

@Potkcalb,  Ironic your assumption that teaslayer is a male, if you would've been paying attention, you would know he is a she.  Should we assume you are a misogynist? Could it be your other assumption may also be wrong? "Knowledge is knowing that we cannot know."

10) Comment by potkcalb - 26/06/2012

Phil did you understand what Tea_Slayer meant when he said "for a perfect example, just see Phil's response"? He was referring to your comment as an example of conflating superstition and science. Please no more of the Bill Clinton monologue about what the meaning of"it" is.

11) Comment by weliveherenow - 26/06/2012

Great letter. Supporters of this act should just take two hours and watch the Dover trial "Judgement Day, Intelligent Design on Trial", it's available everywhere online and clearly spells out the issues. Be sure to look up the associated costs with it too, over a million paid out. This is our future if we continue to take these steps backward.

12) Comment by nimby? - 26/06/2012

potkcalb , it isn't just Louisiana . estimates suggest over 70 percent of the WORLDs' population is "superstitious" ....

13) Comment by phil - 26/06/2012

Potkcalb - sorry you have trouble following 4 entire sentences at one time. I will try to keep it shorter so you can grasp the meaning. Tea Slayer - thanks for reading my comment.

14) Comment by potkcalb - 26/06/2012

Try to be coherent Phil. Stop the mumbo jumbo. No one knows what you are talking about.

15) Comment by Tea_Slayer - 26/06/2012

potkcalb, for a perfect example, just see phil's response.

16) Comment by phil - 26/06/2012

Possibly true letter but also just consider this sentence in the letter: "To put this another way, if you are upset about evolution, or the tides, or that water runs downhill, go outside and yell at the universe, it makes the rules, scientists just describe how the game is played". Just change the word "it" to "God" in the sentence and you have just defined exactly what "IT" is. So much for the evolution argument.

17) Comment by potkcalb - 26/06/2012

I agree with you RationalOne, but we are burdened in Louisiana by a population that gives precedence to superstition over science.

18) Comment by RationalOne - 26/06/2012

Good letter. These anti-evolution people need to give it up and stop trying to fight facts.

19) Comment by Being_Stupid - 26/06/2012

Can somebody explain to me how Gravity works? Why am I stuck here on Earth?

20) Comment by rgeraldwallace@cox.net - 26/06/2012

Oh, no! "Say it ain't so, Joe; say it ain't so!" Another benevolent evolutionary apologist sneaks out of the woodwork! Give it up, Mr. Ferro; this argument is too far gone for insisting on the infallibility of concensus of scientific opinion.

21) Comment by lovemykids - 26/06/2012

If you want to see what Jindal's education reform is doing for our children read this article. http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/loch-ness-monster-real-dinosaur-biology-books-taught-louisiana-school-article-1.1102340

22) Comment by Bighug - 26/06/2012

Some good points, but the example of stepping over those streams isn't correct. It would take a huge step to get over the stream that spills out of Lake Itasca, which must be at least 10 or 12 feet wide where it exits the lake.