Letters: Wanting city perks in suburbs

I want to congratulate The Advocate and Bob Anderson, in particular, for the incisive article about the Walker Master Plan. It was no surprise to learn “only 2.4 percent of Walker’s employed residents work in the city, combined with road and traffic problems, results in workers having high commute times.”

What did they expect when they moved 20 miles away from their jobs, favorite stores and the other things a large city offers? The plan states “An unplanned, inefficient thoroughfare network is contributing to significant congestion problems and a decreased quality of life.”Did someone keep this a secret all these years? Why is it a surprise, today?

What was no surprise at all were the words of Mayor Bobby Font: “Walker doesn’t have the money to build a thruway through the city” and will have to rely on the state or even the federal government” to provide those funds. What this means in plain English is he expects someone else to help pay for the government services his constituents demand.

Baton Rouge residents recently voted to tax themselves to bring our bus system up to some minimum standard of service. I had quite a few discussions with people who opposed the bus tax and several of them threatened to move out of the city if taxes increased. These are the same people who will later want more government services so they can maintain the same standard of living, while asking others to not only pay for the infrastructure, but allow their own standard of living to fall. Imagine Baton Rouge rush hour traffic if the 97.6 percent of the population of Walker did not fill our streets in an effort to get home.

As a business owner (job creator), I must provide parking for my employees and customers, because if I depended on the bus system of Baton Rouge to bring them to me, I would have to close my doors in a week. My employees must have a car and a place to park it, wherever they go. This is an expense to them and me, but it does not increase my profits one penny. It is an unavoidable piece of overhead.

Baton Rouge is a city with many problems. One of the biggest problems is a history of city administrators who thought Baton Rouge was Walker, and let property developers build at will with no plans or infrastructure. Why worry, we could solve everything with wider roads. In the meantime, people flee Baton Rouge and deplete the tax base, but as soon as they arrive in the country, with its quaint two-lane roads, demand someone else make it easy to get back to the place they just left.

Roger Poplin

merchant

Baton Rouge


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1) Comment by uwharries - 04/06/2012

I'd like to preface my remarks with the statement that I am neither a long term Louisianian nor a homeowner in East Baton Rouge Parish. The big difference in the CATS tax increase on homeowners and the tax increases that fund the Louisiana HTF which in turn funds most highway and bridge projects in Louisiana is the nature of the tax in relation to the service being funded. The CATS tax which recently passed is levied exclusively on Baton Rouge homeowners, roughly 62% of the EBR citizenry. This percentage is below the US and the national homeownership rate despite the fact that H.O. taxes are quite low compared to other locations. The CATS tax passed with a roughly 54% to 46% margin. No doubt some homeowners did indeed vote for the CATS tax increase but I suspect a larger percentage of people who do not own homes in EBR also voted for the tax. In short the tax targeted one group, many who very likely will never need or demand the use of the CATS system. A tax at the expense of one group for the benefit of another that is not asked to pay the tax is generally a very poor method of raising tax revenue because: 1 - When a group that demands a subsidy does not in any way share in the burden of the subsidy, even to a lesser, regressive extent, then that group has no incentive to economize. 2 - When a group that in large part pays a subsidy but does not benefit from that subsidy proportionally or at all then the tax is unfair. The HTF for highways and bridges is funded in large part by fuel taxes and vehicle registration taxes. These are taxes paid largely by the people who use the service most (i.e. the roadways). In the case of suburbanites in Walker and various LP locales they pay a larger amount of the cost of building highways because they purchase the fuel with which they mount their commute. Therefore the claim that suburbanites are out of line, if not hypocritical, because they oppose paying for CATS when they never have cause to use it but not in paying for roads and highway and bridge improvements is flawed. The folks in Denham Springs and Walker and other far flung bedroom communities pay for the services they request whereas many of the riders of CATS (dare i say MOST of the riders of CATS!) who are not homeowners never pay the demanded, increased subsidies that keep them mobile.

2) Comment by Attila - 24/05/2012

Oh, I forgot to mention that B R has the highest rate of AIDS in the NATION!

3) Comment by Attila - 24/05/2012

If B R is such a utopia why is it losing citizens to LP and Ascension in far greater numbers than it is gaining? Could it be the low violent crime rate? Or maybe it is the excellent school system. Of course it might be the wonderful system of parks and sports associations that afford the young people the opportunity to play athletics. Perhaps it is the fact that people can go to the public parks and picnic, play, or bbq without having to listen to 40 boom boxes spitting out their trash or being subjected to all sorts of vile language by thugs. Perhaps it is the fact that people can sleep with their doors unlocked, are there for their neighbors when in need, and do not have to worry about breaking down in a bad section of town as they would in BR. B. R. did not pass a single tax dedicated to roads for over 40 years. Finally, in 1996 they did and they are beginning to see some of the benefits. One thing that all of you uppity city folks need to remember about the traffic is that is your own fault, and that there is a reason they call it "rush hour". It happens all over the country. B. R. is not unique in that fashion. So go ahead and bash LP. The folks over there just laugh at your stupidity.

4) Comment by Elderly Man - 23/05/2012

Baton Rouge is not a "dump". Our city has many lovely aspects to it. Walker is also not a dump.

5) Comment by nimby? - 23/05/2012

jobo , "but it's the middle of nowhere, and populated mostly by morons' , so I'm led to believe the smart folk are staying in the city limits of Baton Rouge , which by estimate , experienced a population growth of 12 people over the past year . been to livingston parish lately , or do you "just know" , sounds like the typical conservative argument . gumbo33 , since you "and most in BR' are self sufficient suggest a wall be built to keep the riff-raff out ....

6) Comment by gumbo33 - 23/05/2012

Sandy, State Highways still require tax payer funding outside of your community to foot the bill for road widening that benefits mainly your community and it's commuters. You stated that you visit BR on a weekly basis, but I and most in BR will probably never visit Walker and use those roads, so I don't see your point.

7) Comment by jobo - 23/05/2012

LOL, BR a "dump"? Sure, compared to some other metropolises. But compared to Livingston Parish? You've got to be kidding me. It might not have urban blight, but it's the middle of nowhere, and populated mostly by morons.

8) Comment by gumbo33 - 23/05/2012

Actually, Walker is hardly a suburb of BR. I would describe Shenandoah as such, but Walker not so much. It is simply too far removed from BR in terms of a tangible connection...I really don't take issue with folks who choose to live there, I was simply pointing out one of the many problems those areas face once they begin to see rapid "housing" development.

9) Comment by Elderly Man - 23/05/2012

I like Walker. I do understand why people leave Baton Rouge though it seems I will live out the rest of my days here. We have good and bad here. The state roads in Walker do need improvement and widening. Baton Rouge does improve but VERY slowly. Walker lacks a tax base and that will ruin it.

10) Comment by Sandy - 23/05/2012

I moved out of BR in 2000 for the suburbs. I will gladly accept a longer commute for the much higher quality of life. Good schools, not anywhere near as crowded, less crime (anyone care to compare murder rates?), fewer rundown areas, and on and on. I have even found a solution to the traffic. I don't go to BR unless I absolutely have to, which is about once a month on weekends only. In my visits I have not seen much improvement. By the way, those roads Walker wants widened are state highways.

11) Comment by gumbo33 - 22/05/2012

Firstly, "The_Host" ( if that is your real name) you need to chill out calling BR a dump. It is surely not perfect, but I live here, grew up here and I guarantee you there is way NICER stuff here than anywhere in Livingston Parish...Secondly, I don't think there is anything wrong with being a willing participant in greenfield economics by living in the suburbs. The problem (hypocrisy if you will) is that these new areas are carelessly developed; lacking in any way shape or form; viable infrastructure or significant future planning. In fact, many people and powerful interests rebel when ANY form of "master plan" is finally set in motion by the city leaders who are worth their salt. AND in 20 years these areas will all suffer the same fate anyway when people move on to newer and remarkably; cheaper developments; even further out in the country...As was stated in the OP, Walker has NO local economy as it relies heavily on economic and political giants like Baton Rouge to support it's habit, but DEMANDS infrastructure these glorified commuters can't collectively afford. Meanwhile, much of the rural character is lost because of this lack of planning and no real significant business tax revenue - and so the vicious cycle continues. At least other cities (like Nashville, Houston, Austin, etc.) plan, prepare and build new infrastructure in anticipation of growth. Yeah, it's called progressive thinking and if I ever leave Baton Rouge it will be out of state (again) and not to some puzzling experiment like Walker.

12) Comment by JBSheff - 22/05/2012

Well said, Roger. I agree.

13) Comment by The_Host - 22/05/2012

Urbanmoderate vent all you want BR is still a dump and if you think for a second that it is heading it the right direction keep thinking that and maybe your positive thought will save the day. I notice you all gloss right over the fact that all large metro areas have suburbs. You also gloss over the fact that if someone moves to LP after say 25 years in EBR that those people have helped finance EBR up until now. So now that they are no longer of value to you they are a suddenly on the take looking for something for nothing. If it weren't for the people trying to make it all work out by moving to a place they can live in peace and quiet still living in the area and working in the city who would fund your city then? Who would you employ for workers, all the welfare thugs etc? If the businesses these people work at were to move to another parish many people would have no reason to ever go to Baton Rouge at all. This is becoming even more so a fact as things grow and get added. Face it EBR has had a longggggggggggggggggg time to get it right. Still waiting. Go figure.

14) Comment by InPVille - 22/05/2012

Preppy6917: As the knight said, "They chose poorly."

15) Comment by Preppy6917 - 22/05/2012

InPVille: "The city violent crime rate for Walker in 2009 was higher than the national violent crime rate average by 168.12% and the city property crime rate in Walker was higher than the national property crime rate average by 103.97%. In 2009 the city violent crime rate in Walker was higher than the violent crime rate in Louisiana by 85.72% and the city property crime rate in Walker was higher than the property crime rate in Louisiana by 63.2%." http://www.cityrating.com/crime-statistics/louisiana/walker.html Oh yes, lets move to Walker because it's SOOO much safer there.

16) Comment by DMJ - 22/05/2012

If the Mayor of Walker (Walker has its own mayor?) needs money to finance basic public services, like roads, perhaps he should propose raising property taxes, instead of asking for money from the state and the dreaded federal government. I'm willing to bet the people of Walker fancy themselves self-sufficient. Well....time to put your money where your mouth is. There's a song that reminds me of the predicaments like these. It's called "The High Cost of Low Living."

17) Comment by nimby? - 22/05/2012

jobo , perhaps many feel the advantages of suburban living outweigh the necessity of the commute . also suggest you explore the details involving the loop and why there is such opposition ...

18) Comment by jobo - 22/05/2012

Indeed Mr. Poplin. The people in the outlying areas are also the ones opposing a traffic loop, which is an attempt to alleviate the traffic problems they have themselves caused.

19) Comment by gumbo33 - 22/05/2012

You hit the nail on the head Roger.

20) Comment by InPVille - 22/05/2012

UrbanModerate: "I would defy you to find a single significant area of decline." - - - Perhaps this would qualify. The overall crime rate in Baton Rouge has declined. This is because property crime has decreased. Violent crime has increased. Even so, both the property and violent crime rates are over 100% higher than the national average according to this site: http://www.cityrating.com/crime-statistics/louisiana/baton-rouge.html - - - Remember there are no hot linking here. It is cut and paste if you wish to view the source.

21) Comment by DMJ - 22/05/2012

Great letter, Roger.

22) Comment by UrbanModerate - 22/05/2012

@The_Host - I am so sick and tired of hearing people like you talk crap about Baton Rouge... "run so far down hill" my butt! I know that Baton Rouge has many problems to tackle right now. But you'd have to be BLIND not to notice that the City of Baton Rouge has done nothing but IMPROVE over the last ten years. I would defy you to find a single significant area of decline. The progress is slow, and the list of problems is still long. But the trend is positive. That's not an opinion; that's a fact. So quit your whining. Thank you for letting me vent.

23) Comment by The_Host - 22/05/2012

Not a single mention about WHY people are leaving EBR. Crime, crappie schools and many other reasons. I guess spending money on roads for people that WORK to get to work to pay for the roads and everything else via their taxes is to much to ask. Who do you think is going to pay to build the roads? The non-workers that produce nothing or the people that work and sit in traffic to get there and home? This is what happens when you let your city run so far down hill that people can't take living in it any longer. EBR is no Utopia by any stretch of the imagination. Just like all the other cities in the country that allow the problems EBR has to grow it suffers the same fate. People that can leave do leave for the suburbs. Find me one crime riddled city with a terrible school system that also doesn't have a large population that commutes to work from the places they fled to live in peace while not at work!

24) Comment by dday198 - 22/05/2012

bravo mr poplin

25) Comment by Elderly Man - 22/05/2012

The quality of life out here on Jefferson Highway is very low.