Tax plan draft released

Gov. Bobby Jindal wants to erase tax exemptions for Habitat for Humanity, Councils on Aging, Mardi Gras krewes and actor Brad Pitt’s home-building foundation.

The details on the governor’s sweeping tax package emerged Tuesday as legislators got their first look at 95 pages of a draft bill. Additional information came from handouts that the Jindal administration distributed to members of the Louisiana House Committee on Ways and Means.

Committee Chairman Joel Robideaux, who will sponsor the governor’s tax plan, said he cannot envision a scenario in which a taxpayer loses through the changes.

“People want to know how is this going to help me (or) this is terrible,” said Robideaux, R-Lafayette. “When clearly they’re winners.”

The governor wants to eliminate the state’s personal income and corporate taxes beginning in January. To replace the nearly $3 billion in state revenue that would be lost, the governor wants to increase state sales tax to 5.88 percent, nearly triple the state cigarette tax, apply a tax to more services and erase certain tax exemptions.

At a hotel in Houma on Tuesday morning, Jindal promoted his tax plan to the South Central Industrial Association in what his press office described as the start of a statewide tour.

Jindal, according to the news release written by his office, disputed complaints that the plan would raise taxes on low-income and middle-class residents.

Later in the day, Tim Barfield, executive counsel at the state Department of Revenue, sat down before legislators to go into more detail about the plan.

Barfield said some pieces of the plan still are being drafted in preparation for the legislative session that starts next month.

Among the key points:

  • Many tax filers could be required to file reports estimating the amount of sales tax they failed to pay on purchases, such as Internet transactions. They would pay the actual amount or what Barfield called a “safe harbor” amount.
  • Businesses may get a cap on the percentage of sales tax collections they are allowed to keep as compensation for collecting the revenue for the state.
  • Sales tax holidays would disappear although international visitors still would get a break on their purchases.
  • The Jindal administration expects to collect roughly $1 billion by taxing professional and business services, including tax preparation, scientific research, travel arrangement and waste management.

Robideaux kicked off the meeting by asking the administration to discuss the math behind the proposal. “I would be interested to know a little more about where they’re pulling the numbers from,” he said.

The administration contracted with Ernst and Young, one of the so-called “Big Four” accounting firms, to help with revenue models.

Bob Cline with Ernst and Young told legislators that his firm used a model that incorporates national data and state specific data to model a state economy.

He said the model accounted for the possibility of not collecting 100 percent of taxes and adjusted separately for sales by Louisiana businesses to Louisiana customers, sales coming in from out-of-state companies and imports coming in for households and businesses.

For Louisiana companies selling to Louisiana customers, the assumption was the state would collect taxes on 90 percent of the base. For sales coming into Louisiana from companies outside Louisiana, it was assumed 75 percent of the sales subject to tax would result in taxes being paid. For imports, such as catalogs or Internet transactions, the amount of revenue potentially collectable fell to 15 percent.

“Maybe more than you might want to know. But it’s an overview,” Cline said.

The administration handed out spreadsheets detailing which sales tax exemptions would disappear.

The affected exemptions that divert the most state revenue include a phased-in sales tax exemption for fuses, belts, wires and other equipment used by paper and wood manufacturers and loggers. Construction services would not be subject to a state sales tax. However, Habitat for Humanity and Pitt’s Make it Right foundation, both of which build homes for the needy, would lose a state sales tax exemption on construction materials.

Louisiana shoppers also would no longer get state sales tax holidays for firearms, back-to-school supplies and hurricane season.

State Rep. Jeff Thompson, R-Bossier City, said the sales tax holidays generate big turnouts for retailers.

Barfield said later that discussions continue on the overall tax proposal.

“This will be a very busy process,” he said.


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Comments (39)


1) Comment by DMJ - 21/03/2013

Scrooge, we're already there, brother.

2) Comment by phil - 21/03/2013

People are already taxed, fined and made to pay too many fees. Therefore, I suggest that if LA wants to attract new industry then the income tax should be eliminated in steps over a few years while at the same time government expenses are cut by eliminating waste (and possibly corruption) in government. Just leave the sales taxes as they are now. I have to also ask how will special districts like TIF areas be treated if the LA income tax is eliminated? Will businesses in those areas get to pay no income tax and also get to actually keep some of the sales taxes? Don't the "smart growth" folks often push the concept of TIF areas? Sounds like just one thing that needs to possibly be looked into. The devil is in the details.

3) Comment by Mygulfbleedsforu - 21/03/2013

kajunfish, I'd love to know what you're talking about. Are you saying the state looks for random Internet puchases made by random LA residents by combing through the records of credit card companies and Paypal? Or are you saying once they are auditing a specific LA business, they ask to review the company's credit card statements?

4) Comment by Scrooge - 20/03/2013

The hole left by shrinking government will be filled by "the selfish spirit of commerce (that) knows no country, and feels no passion or principle but that of gain." Thomas Jefferson

5) Comment by Scrooge - 20/03/2013

jeffsadow writes "..markets, when left unmolested by government or any other force that can distort them, reward people in proportion to their contributions to society" there's just the inconvenient fact of human nature which often rewards those who are willing to financially molest through exploitation their fellow men,also known as greed, as we have seen over and over. Without "government or any other force" of restraint ("molestation"?) what happens? Stanford, Madoff, Standard Oil, etc.etc.etcWhat we are witnessing in this day and age is the fruition of "that concentrated economic power (aka monopolies) could have a negative effect on a free society." Justice Louis Brandeis. One pays far less taxes but at what cost? The unrestrained cruelties of greed? It is indicative of the delusion that many of those who consider themselves "Christians" also worship at this altar of the golden calf.

6) Comment by kajunfish - 20/03/2013

Why is it so easyfor the state to do audits of credit card and paypal accounts for these taxes but yet they say it is difficukt to track down illigal purchases from welfare cards. I guess it's easier to track down the tax payer than to track down the ones spending them.

7) Comment by Attila - 20/03/2013

Lil Booby is doing this all for show. He believes this is a win win situation for him..if it flies he gets more revenue off of the backs of the producers. If it fails he can say that he had the foresight to propose sweeping overhaul of the Louisiana tax structure, but was defeated by the low information voters...except this time he will be defeated by the people who are knowledgeable about the issue.

8) Comment by Mygulfbleedsforu - 20/03/2013

Everyone keep in mind that Texas does indeed have a substantial business tax it calls a franchise tax. The tax is sort of like an income tax and it was what Texas went to in order to properly fund education after a court slapped it around for not properly funding education. It is not true that Texas doesn't have a tax on corporations.

9) Comment by GardenVariety - 20/03/2013

Here's hoping legislators will actually read it and maybe ask questions. As much as I detest Jindal and everything he stands for, so many of the outrageous schemes he's managed to hatch are due to the encouragement and apathy of legislators. He didn't get us to this state of affairs all by himself. Even though Chancellor Jindaltine possesses inordinate executive power, as compared to governorships in other states, the legislature could've at least served as an obstacle or inconvenience when appropriate during the Sith Lord's tenure. They, however, didn't do so. The tax initiative might provide a final opportunity for the legislature to fulfill its democratic duty before Chancellor Jindaltine disappears into the 2016 national campaign cycle, which will begin in winter 2014. Even if legislators do finally stand up to him, it will not be a redemptive action. It'll just slow an imminent train wreck, perhaps long enough for us to move aside existing casualties and prepare for the coming ones.

10) Comment by zealer99 - 20/03/2013

I this is proving to be Jindal's Humpty Dumpty moment. This is already costing Louisiana business and jobs. Revising the tax system should have been a multi-year project that should have been started during his second year in office. This makes Louisiana looks unstable and unpredictable.

11) Comment by Ohsofedup - 20/03/2013

Can Louisiana survive 31 more months of our Gov. Jindal? He has already ruined his future aspirations of holding any higher office than what he now has. He has become the "most stupid" of the stupid Republican party as he himself stated. He has become the worst Governor in the history of this great State and he is destroying every state workers,taxpayers and teachers morale in the state. Of course his puppet overpaid, under qualified John White is not far behind as being the worst person ever to mislead and dismantle the public education in the state. Thank goodness he only has a short time left, because he will move Louisiana to the bottom of the list in education, places to retire, tourist destination and a place to do business with. Cronyism and corruption still has it's place in Louisiana politics and it's more evident now than in the past. I felt sorry for Gov. Blanco when she got shafted by the way she handled the Katrina mess and got blamed for everything that went wrong, of which she had no control over. Jindla would have not done any better, worst disaster ever for this state. But I do agree with her criticizing on they way Jindal is destroying the tax situation and ruining, ignoring and disrespecting the teachers. He apparently does not believe in the constitution nor listening to other folks that know more than he knows. He may be a Rhode Scholar but he has been a complete failure as a leader of his state.

12) Comment by Get Real - 20/03/2013

Pyushi Jindal wants to erase tax exemptions for Habitat for Humanity, Councils on Aging, Mardi Gras krewes and actor Brad Pitt’s home-building foundation. So programs that help that elderly will be taxed? This is utterly assine but this is who the voters of the state wanted in office.

13) Comment by markedwardmarchiafava - 20/03/2013

Not only does the Word of God define stealing as sin, even man's own "law" considers stealing as the taking of anything of value. If I don't consent (which I don't ) to government helping themselves to the fruits of my labor, it's theft, plain and simple. The fact you people don't comprehend that explains why our once-great Republic isn't.

14) Comment by postscript56 - 20/03/2013

jeffsadow - I am willing to accept the sincerity of your beliefs. I just think that puts you in the minority among conservatives. Here's why. Romney, a presidential candidate, makes the now infamous "47%" statement. Most - not some, but most - conservatives believe this is an accurate reflection of the "makers" and "takers," that some 47% of Americans, encouraged by dopey liberals, live off the rest of the working folks. This belief is the driving force behind ALL conservative tax policies. But that "47%" is a wildly inaccurate percentage of the number of Americans (or illegals) who are "gaming" the system. While any percentage is unacceptable, the reality is probably less than 10% who are actually "gaming" the system. If you want to include people who just defraud the system when opportunity present itself that probably jumps up to something like 47%, but that figure would cross party lines and include plenty of conservative voters. You don't think everybody who tried to scam FEMA for a Katrina payment voted Democrat do you? The point is there are no conservative politicians or leading voices today saying anything like your response. Name even one who said something close to what you wrote? But I can make a list as long as this page of quotes like the "47%" comment. Also, forces that can distort the market include not just government, but the players in the market as well. Monopolies, collusion, price-fixing are all forces that distort the market and are only kept in check by creating laws to define acceptable behavior and then by empowering government to act to enforce the law. There is no such thing as a perfectly natural market. If government doesn't exist as a check, unscrupulous people abuse the system for their own gain.

15) Comment by HerbF - 20/03/2013

Taxation is not "stealing". Government requires revenue to operate. And, there are a number of different ways states get the necessary revenue. For example, Texas has no income tax. They get their revenue through property taxes. And, it seems to be working fine. >>>>I'm not advocation that, just noting that there are different ways to get the revenue needed to operate.

16) Comment by markedwardmarchiafava - 20/03/2013

The comments here clearly indicate no one is actually interested in reducing the size/scope/cost of state government. No one. The ONLY matter of concern is how the state is going to steal the taxpayer's money.

17) Comment by HerbF - 20/03/2013

Tax the churches! Why are they exempt in the first place?

18) Comment by DMJ - 20/03/2013

With the exception of taxing legal, financial and accounting services, I'd say this plan sounds like garbage...which will also be taxed from now on.

19) Comment by Mygulfbleedsforu - 20/03/2013

Is the administration no longer pretending this is not an overall reduction of revenues? Robideaux's statement indicates some will pay less but none will pay more. I know many people who will definitely pay more, and I'm sure if he tries, Robideaux will also think of situations where people will undoubtedly will pay more. But either he doesn't have his thinking cap on lately, or he is admitting that the goal is to reduce revenues. @ foldgers, your daily rant about the perfect solution seems to be calling for a serious slow-down of the Louisiana economy (i.e. if everybody stops buying stuff, if everybody stop buying services, the state will be better off!). @ anybody, what is the logic behind not taxing construction unless the construction has an altruistic purpose? Can anyone explain how that works? You have to declare that you have no good will stated or implied in the building of this home? Wtf?

20) Comment by Tea_Slayer - 20/03/2013

Jeff, great piece of satire. Thanks for the laugh. Keep it up. Your students will be proud.

21) Comment by jeffsadow - 20/03/2013

Perhaps @Maelstrom should work on his reading comprehension: what Barfield said was what is done with federal income taxation already, in that rather than keep all the receipts, you can go with a safe harbor figure, which could be higher or lower than actual sales taxes paid. Keep in mind this works only for deductibility purposes. Also, work on accuracy: the Tax Foundation does not have LA as the "second lowest effective tax rate for businesses," but instead ranks it 32nd (lowest) on its index for "business tax climate" (newest rankings came out two days ago). In terms of corporate income taxation, LA ranks 18th.

22) Comment by jeffsadow - 20/03/2013

@postscript56 knows nothing about "modern conservative thought," or how economies work, his statement indicates. Conservatives believe there are a deserving poor -- those who work to the best of their ability and do not try to game the system, but who don't make much money. This is because markets, when left unmolested by government or any other force that can distort them, reward people in proportion to their contributions to society. Simply, some efforts and skills contribute more and therefore are considered more valuable by society, and more resources accrue to individuals withb those characteristics. Because some others aren't very capable, or are disabled (perhaps by aging), or maybe are just hitting a run of bad luck for a period, they may be unable through their or their families' own efforts to support themselves. Conservatives recognize the good-faith effort these individuals make to benefit society and tolerate the distortion of the marketplace, through government intervention leading to wealth redistribution and programmatic availability, to support these people. It is the undeserving poor, perfectly able-bodied but who prefer to game the system to enable them to work at less than full effort and/or reap rewards beyond their actual contribution to society and who make bad choices in behavior, yet are arrogant enough to put their selfish needs ahead of others, expecting others to fund these bad choices, that conservatives wish to defund through policy changes, guided by public policy that creates incentives for them to give up this attitude and to understand the change helps not just them, but their fellow man by no longer making unfair demands on him to subsidize them.

23) Comment by markedwardmarchiafava - 20/03/2013

If the businesses are forced to serve as tax collectors, does anyone (other than myself) not see the conflict with the 13th amendment?

24) Comment by foldgers - 20/03/2013

First off, companies in the state already report and submit sales taxes collected to the state. Increasing that amount by 1.88% won't make much difference. And thus, by the businesses being the sole people responsible for state revenues, the dept of revenue can be slashed and money also saved. Next point and final point to make, and PLEASE read before you judge me: It a year or so ago, a poor person paying 25% felt it was unfair for the super wealthy to pay only 15% tax rate? At that time, the poor/middle class paying 25% tax rates were upset because the wealthy were only paying 15%. I find it funny here that at THAT time, the Dems in charge then said, "Hey poor/middle class, the wealthy need to pay their FAIR share and should also pay 25% just like you!" You all cheered and applauded and said, yes, they should also pay 25% just like me! Do you not see here? You were OK with paying 25% of your income as long as the wealthy did also. Why didn't you all fight to have your rates lowered to 15% instead? They tricked you. Made you think paying 25% is OK, but ONLY if the wealthy did also. No one EVER said hey, how about let's make it fair and LOWER the poor/middle class rate to 15%? Raising the wealthy to 25%, everyone paying 25% is sort of a flat tax here guys. Just like lowering the middle class rate to 15% along with the wealthy. NOW, we have a guy saying, "Hey, I am lowering EVERYONE'S rate to 0%." This is on INCOME! Money you EARN will not be taxed. It is ONLY when you decide to buy "stuff" that is not needed that you will be taxed. Do you realize, if you go a year without buying new gadgets, TVs, video games, junk food, liquor, cigs... you will in effect be almost paying NO taxes? Control your SPENDING and you will control what you pay.

25) Comment by The Realist - 20/03/2013

So, how do they plan on collecting taxes from internet sales? They surely can't be this short-sided and not realize that internet sales have grown exponentially every year for the last decade and will continue to climb even more in the future. Where will the lost revenue from sales come from? Is Jindal going to establish a new state agency to track and collect taxes on internet sales? ...... But hell what does Jindal care, no one can be stupid enough and not see all of this is just for Jindal to pad his national resume some more as we the people will be dealing with the effects years down the road.....It will end up being like the gasoline tax in which we collect less and less each year due to technological advances in fuel efficiency and thus not collecting enough revenue to efficiently fund or transportation system.

26) Comment by BRLA1982 - 20/03/2013

If this "help-the-rich" tax plan passes, I'll be sure to buy everything online now. I'd rather help the employees of Amazon than any business leader in our area that supports this garbage proposal. Once the state is totally bankrupt, many of us will simply move away and let the gulf take the state back.

27) Comment by Warp7 - 20/03/2013

@Being_Stupid: That was a real genius statement. Typical backwoods conservative response of non-sense. Angry, hate filled responses = stupidity in America.

28) Comment by Being_Stupid - 20/03/2013

Poor in America = Lazy in America

29) Comment by postscript56 - 20/03/2013

I've stated this before but it bears repeating. The rationale behind this tax swap is derived from a central theme of modern conservative thought. That is, if you are poor or struggling, it's your own fault. This belief absolves the believer of both the obligation to act and any guilt associated with acknowledging the obligation. Free of obligation and guilt, the believer then views progressive taxation as unfair. The more successful have no greater obligation than the less successful since the less successful are less successful by choice. Thus a flat and broad-based tax is reasoned to be morally superior to a progrssive tax. But only because the poor and struggling are at fault for their individual situations. It's why Jindal can offer to tax materials for a Habitat for Humanity project, but not the quarter-mil-a-year salary of his front man on taxes. That's economic morality as defined by the modern conservative.

30) Comment by tradewinns - 20/03/2013

before the state, or any other gov't, changes anything to increase their taxes, they need to stop fraud, waste and abuse of what the govt currently has. all these changes prove is the govt's are NOT willing to do what is necessary to protect the taxpayer. they would rather confuse the system, cost everyone more and bleed the middle class more. as an example, taxing tax preparers. if the TP relied on the rich and the poor for their sustanance they would be out of business. so the middle class would pay that tax almost exclusively. in fact the MC picks up all the taxes, including paying the taxes the "poor" would pay except they are poor so someone has to pay their taxes for them. first fix what is broken, see if it'll work then.

31) Comment by Maelstrom - 20/03/2013

What a nightmare. In order to use the tax to offset federal taxes, you will have to keep your receipts on every purchase and add up the sales taxes at tax time. Then of course, you'd have to keep all those tax receipts for a number of years in the event of an audit. Yet, everyone will allegedly pay less, but more money will come in? This state has underestimated it's revenue for 5 straight years and have had massive cuts in services over that time. And why are we doing this? Because being the second lowest effective tax rate for businesses isn't enough to bring in business and jobs to this state, moving up in the rankings (by a politically biased organization on top of that) to first is supposed to make a difference? Yet, some of you are buying this pig in a poke. For those who believe this nonsense, I have some ocean front property in Colorado to sell you.

32) Comment by jeninegiommi - 20/03/2013

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33) Comment by Being_Stupid - 20/03/2013

Tax Big Hollywood.

34) Comment by LuckySo-n-So - 20/03/2013

Suzanne MS writes: " businesses...want a stable, educated society, with a workforce pool of current and future employees, and the quality of life that will attract and retain those employees." Obviously, the best way to do that is to demonize teachers, eviscerate public and higher education, turn the tax system on its head, and allow corporations free reign over Louisiana's environment. Thank God for Bobby Jindal.

35) Comment by SuzanneMS - 20/03/2013

It may have already occurred to others, but reading this I realized that businesses will now become the state tax collectors. More forms for them to fill out and more regulations for them to abide by. Wonder how they'll like that? Yes, businesses want predictability because they are in it for the long-haul, not just the next couple of years. They want a stable, educated society, with a workforce pool of current and future employees, and the quality of life that will attract and retain those employees. They want a state with an infrastructure that will allow them to distribute their products. They want a customer base in that state. All of these things require a reliable and vigorous state revenue stream.

36) Comment by markedwardmarchiafava - 20/03/2013

Taxation = theft. Notice Bobby "jump ship" Jindal is not talking about any agencies being abolished, merely how he proposes to steal your money to maintain a bloated ship of state. Look at the pic above. Well-dressed robbers, cloaked in the auspices of government.

37) Comment by kajunfish - 20/03/2013

why doesn't the Govenor's Administration and Dept. of Revenue work with DHH to stop welfare and medicaid fraud , then have would propably have the money they need. Using welfare cards to buy anything they want, gambling in casinos while on welfare. This need to stop as well.

38) Comment by Scrooge - 19/03/2013

The internet sales honor system, anyone else see a problem here as well?

39) Comment by beabea - 19/03/2013

The article says: "Committee Chairman Joel Robideaux, who will sponsor the governor’s tax plan, said he cannot envision a scenario in which a taxpayer loses through the changes." But a few paragraphs later, Robideaux is quoted as saying “I would be interested to know a little more about where they’re pulling the numbers from." Anyone else see a problem here?

40) Comment by zealer99 - 19/03/2013

Jindal's "plan" is already costing the people of Louisiana in the form of lost business and lost jobs. Businesses despise unpredictability and this confused new tax mess is introducing uncertainty.