Our Views: New Romney in the debate

The first presidential debate focused on the economy and jobs, and GOP challenger Mitt Romney made the most of it.

He pummeled the incumbent with a barrage of statistics leavened with stories of the economy’s victims that he’s met on the campaign trail: A prosecutor with empathy.

As Democrats put it charitably, it was not President Barack Obama’s best night.

At times the president had the air of the nerd who had studied hard for a debate with the conservative Romney of the primaries, but was flummoxed when the old “Massachusetts moderate” showed up for the debate at the University of Denver.

Even Romney’s biggest fans have to admit that his aggressive performance was based on yet another Etch-a-Sketch episode in Romney’s career. The GOP nominee has spent months embracing hard-right rhetoric to persuade his party’s conservatives that he is one of them.

In the Denver debate, he edged back from — or outright repudiated — many of the positions he’s held for the past year, not to mention the positions that his party has pushed in Congress with his acquiescence if not outright support. One example: Suddenly, government regulation is not the path to socialism but a responsible way to structure the economy, according to Romney. We’ve not heard that in months of Republican primaries, because that was not in Romney’s interest to say back then.

It was a sterling example of the classic strategy of the late Richard M. Nixon, who himself ran to the right in the GOP primaries and then ran back to the center for the general election. The ghost of Nixon was not needed to tell Romney that conservatives now have no place to go in the general election. They may feel betrayed, but they’re not likely to vote for Obama.

The few times that the president scored on Romney involved the challenger’s continued unwillingness to be specific about his budget plans. That also makes political sense: Romney’s supporters hear tax cuts, but undecided voters hear his pledge never to raise the deficit by cutting taxes.

That the two positions are inconsistent is something that Obama flailed around about, but he never landed a solid punch.

We still don’t know who the real Mitt Romney is. But the debate put him appreciably closer to becoming president anyway.


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Comments (26)


1) Comment by Triple - 07/10/2012

Come on DMJ, he doesn't own flip-flopping, cut the deficit in half, close  gitmo, unpatriotic to increase the debt, not to mention gay marriage and policies that will stop the ocean rise, sound familiar. I know I 'm missing quite a few.  Obama now has a record, one which I find less than mediocre.  Romney's core believes have been more consistent than you assert, however, he is a politician, abundance of caution is prudent.  Remember he is fighting two fronts, Obama and the traditional media.  Why does your support for Obama come with hate for Romney?  The difference between you and me, if Obama had succeeded and real, robust recovery was under way he would get my vote, Mitt could part the oceans and not get yours.  I believe the current administration is making a federal government power grab, which will be hard to reverse, if Mitt is elected I will look for him to reverse the trend in favor of states.  The stuff this administration has been doing is  written about and the results are predictable, not sustainable over the long haul.  What I do like about this election, on both sides, no accusations of salacious miss conduct.

2) Comment by Whatnow - 07/10/2012

DMJ, I don't see anything wrong with changing your mind. There's nothing wrong with that. Maybe he learned new facts or percentages along the way. What works for a state may not be the same as what works for the whole country in terms of what the people want. Believe it or not, there are still some Congressmen and Governors who support what the people want and change their outlook. Maybe other's input changes someone's mind. That's called learning, negotiating and compromise. That's being a bi-partisan leader. Changing your mind is not a sin. Being a hard headed, do things my way, like Obama, should be.

3) Comment by DMJ - 07/10/2012

Either he lied about not wanting to raise taxes on higher income Americans or he changed his mind...again. Doesn't it bother you guys that Romney doesn't seem to have any real beliefs....other than he should be president? Let's look at the things he's flip-flopped on....abortion, assault weapons ban, gay marriage, healthcare mandate, the TARP bailout, auto bailout, the Stimulus, taxing the 1%, raising taxes on the 47%, deporting illegal immigrants who came here as children, going in to Pakistan to kill Bin Laden, preserving tax breaks for outsourcers, global warming, .... I'm sure I'm missing a few. I mean...come on, Mitt. I think Mitt said it best himself, "I'm someone who's moderate. My views are progressive." until....."I was a severely conservative Republican governor." And people though John Kerry was a flip-flopper?? Ha! You can't write this stuff.

4) Comment by Whatnow - 06/10/2012

@unevahno, for a second there I had to do a double take on who you where talking about. I thought it was Obama. We said those things about Obama from day one. Obama was a deer in headlights except he was smirking and looking down and didn't have any facts to argue with. He doesn't know the answers until someone gives them to him on a teleprompter. Most people know their jobs and can explain them without anyone else telling them what they do everyday, unless they are slackers and do nothing. On shooting down ALL those lies, it was like someone ripped Obama's tongue out. And hey, at least we know what Romney did in school. Obama is still hiding his days in school, even his grades, and now we might know why.

5) Comment by Triple - 06/10/2012

Can't recall how Obama responded to the green energy subsidy "lie" by Romney, or the "lie" about the middle class being buried the last four years?  The examples are many.   Trickle down government must be a lie, what defense was offered?  It has been my experience that blatant lies are easily shot down, why weren't Romney's lies disputed? Why not own it?  In the arena of ideas, your guy got beat, liar liar pants on fire, only works on the play ground.

6) Comment by unevahno - 06/10/2012

Romney showed himself as being the same bully he was in prep school. He is thin skinned and used to getting his way or whining. He made up lies and simply stated, with conviction, whatever came to his mind. Those people who are impressed with intelligence and not bluster heard the POTUS address every lie Romney said, but Obama is not the "common type" to go back and forth in a barroom rant. If you wallow with a pig, you'll get muddy and the pig will have fun. The POTUS refused to jump in the Romney pig sty.

7) Comment by Whatnow - 06/10/2012

DMJ, you disappoint me. You have started the name calling. I thought we were having a one time decent conversation until you reverted to what most liberals do when desperate....calling anyone who disagrees with you childish names. Are insults and name calling a proper substitute for persuasive, civil argument? It's clear that many people don't care at all. They don't really care about other people. They don't really care about the destruction of ignorance or the enlightenment of the opposition. They just get cheap thrills by throwing around juvenile or crass insults on those with whom they disagree. But is that a good strategy to persuade someone else to assimilate your point of view? Should you expect someone to suddenly change their mind about any issue after you deliberately berate or shame them? I may be crazy, but I think it's a terrible method. If you go around being rude to other people, they are not going to respond positively to future interactions with you. Human nature being what it is, people will size up the group that you represent from your individual behavior. If you're rude, you make all others that share your beliefs look badly.

8) Comment by Triple - 05/10/2012

Rhonda (T1C),  demonstration of great faith in a man, not for reasons of substance but rather clinging to the historic moment of his election.  Prejudice against all things Republican, blinded by race, zealot for Barack.  Politics makes for strange bedfellows, or maybe as originally written, misery is the connection, regardless, entertaining, to me at least, that T1C & DMJ wear the same jersey.  @DMJ please share this version of the America you want, does Barack have us on the path?  In your America can I own a gun and attend church, how will the wealthy be treated, will their be wealthy, will everyone have a job, will sheep lay with lions?  Please share!  Try not to name call, "yahoo" not so flattering.

9) Comment by DMJ - 05/10/2012

So the "real Romney" didn't mean any of the stuff he said in the Republican primary? That's good news....for me at least. Bad news for conservative yahoos.

10) Comment by Being_Stupid - 05/10/2012

There was nothing new about Romney at this debate. What we saw for once was the Real Obama and the Real Romney. Without the media covering for Obama or throwing softball questions or making Romney out to look like the bad rich guy. I like how after the debate all the leftists claim Romney lied, or Romney interrupted Jim Lehr, or Obama was lightheaded because of the high Denver altitude, or Obama did not have time to prepare (although he time to go on the View with Barbara Walters, Late Night with Letterman & Jimmy Fallon, play basketball, and 100 rounds of golf).... yeah yeah yeah... whatever... WHAT WE SAW WAS THE REAL OBAMA FOR ONCE. And I look forward to two more debates, and one vice presidential debate next week where Paul Ryan will run a steam roller over Biden. Bahahahahahaaaa - can't wait.

11) Comment by DMJ - 05/10/2012

Nimby, you're partly right: polls and debates don't matter and the media is not biased....but it's not over and everyone, yes everyone, should vote.

12) Comment by Whatnow - 05/10/2012

DMJ, on the contrary. To quote Biden, "It was a big F***ng deal" to Romney supporters. My sails are full speed ahead!

13) Comment by nimby? - 05/10/2012

I am enjoying the explanations of misinterpretation/excuses from the usual sources . polls don't matter , debates don't matter , the media has no bias . it's over , no need to vote .

14) Comment by DMJ - 05/10/2012

Glad we agree. Sorry to take the wind out of your sails.

15) Comment by Whatnow - 05/10/2012

@twinkie1cat, how was Romney rude? And Obama had four more minutes than Romney. "He needed a nap and an energy drink to wake up with." Is that the "latest" excuse? LOL! Sounds like Gore with the altitude! His anniversary? So sad? Get real. He would have probably done a talk show with no problems.

16) Comment by Whatnow - 05/10/2012

DMJ, you are correct. It really doesn't matter this late in the game. But, like I said and more, with all the MSM cheerleading for Obama over the last four years, it was a nice change to see the Republicans get around that with such class and gusto. And I can say exactly what you said about changing my vote for Obama. He would have to change overnight to a conservative thinking person.

17) Comment by nimby? - 05/10/2012

expected comments from both sides . truth ; it's not going to matter who is elected , the next four years will be the same . half of the country will remain angry at the other half . little cooperation , productivity means little will get done . lot of excuses , finger pointing , attempted payback . at least Hillary will be free to run in 2016 ....

18) Comment by DMJ - 05/10/2012

Again, I must ask....how much do debates even matter? Whatnow, would you consider voting for Obama had he "won" the debate? I'm guessing not, right? Exactly. You might say I'm downplaying the importance of the debate because my guy "lost." Ok...for the sake of argument....let's say I am. But am I wrong about how much debates, so late in the game, even matter? Is a strong debate performance enough to change someone's mind about who they're going to vote for? Of course not. Romney could have actually admitted that he was lying and anti-Obama folks will still vote for him. And I must admit...I'm not willing to change my vote to Romney even if he wins the next 2 debates as well. I don't like him. I don't like his policies. I think his priorities are out of step with what I want America to be. I'll venture to say that those planning to vote against Obama would say the same thing about him, no? Is my point becoming clearer? I mean....who is still undecided at this point? Are there enough people on the fence for Romney to win Ohio and Florida.....or for him to win back Virginia, N. Carolina, Iowa, Colorado and Nevada? I ask again...how much do debates really matter? Honestly? Whatnow, what say you? Would you consider changing your vote to Obama if he "wins" the next 2 debates?

19) Comment by twinkie1cat - 05/10/2012

Romney was rude to Jim Leherer and refused to follow the rules or the time limits. He would not even stop when Leherer put his fingers to his lips. He needed a remote OFF button on his microphone. So what we learned is that Romney is a rude and disrespectful person. The second thing he showed us is he is a copy cat. He tried to sound as much like President Obama as possible in his viewpoints, even going along with his programs. He knows Obama is what the people want. His real views are about as popular as Bobby Jindal's and if he were to die in office we would have a male Michelle Bachmann in the White House. He was short on facts and long on trash. Reminded me of Newt Gingrich. President Obama looked tired. He needed a nap and an energy drink to wake up with. But he was on message the whole time. And his message is right. I felt bad for him having to do this on his anniversary since he is one of the best examples of a loving husband and father our country has. Romney's performance was just that, a performance and his message as well as his performance is pure *****

20) Comment by Lannonmac - 05/10/2012

No doubt Mr. Romney did an outstanding job, but unfortunately his “facts” and “statistics” were wrong, incorrect and often simply made up. Add to that out and out lies about the effect of his “tax reform” which will add $5 Trillion to the USA’s budget over the next ten years. Mr. Romney had a good performance, but it was based on pure *****

21) Comment by rgeraldwallace@cox.net - 05/10/2012

Romney had the advantage of being able to tell the truth; that always helps because if people see lies and truth side by side they are usually able to tell which is truth and which is lie. "You can fool all the people some of the time, and you can fool some of the people all the time, but you can't fool all the people all the time." Abraham Lincoln didn't mince words; neither should we.

22) Comment by bourbon-soda - 05/10/2012

How does this make any difference? The media have had the election in the bag for Obama for months, if not years.

23) Comment by palefire - 04/10/2012

Thoughts: I'm baffled by the lack of outrage from republicans. Romney seemingly changed his positions overnight and became a centrist. The differences between both candidates positions are almost non-existance now. Romney's sweating. I can't believe there haven't been comparisons to Nixon yet. And why do we allow both candidates to lie? There should be a panel at all debates that is in the ear of the moderator at all times. When they spot a lie the moderator then calls the candidates out on it in front of a national audience.

24) Comment by tradewinns - 04/10/2012

obama did the best he could given the limited amount of knowledge he has on the economy and how to make it grow. it does irritate me that democrats continue to see nothing wrong with obama's lack of information answers to direct questions and yet find fault with the amount of info romney presents. does anyone believe either candidate can fully detail any of their proposal during the time the debate allows to either answer a question or rebute the other guy? if they could cram it into the limited time, they would have to talk so fast no one would be able to understand them. another point for both sides to critize the other.

25) Comment by Whatnow - 04/10/2012

It was the same Obama empty chair, and the same old lies. As Democrats put it charitably, it was not President Barack Obama’s best night. . CNN said Obama got slammed 67 to 25% for Romney. "No presidential candidate has topped 60% in that question since it was first asked in 1984," says CNN Polling Director Keating Holland. That's not what they were saying, Advocate and you are not being truthful. Even conservatives who predicted that Romney would do well could not have imagined that he would do this well. It was as complete a victory as any presidential challenger has ever scored--and it exceeded even the hopes of Romney’s most fervent supporters. Obama came across as a politician--a rattled one, grinning and frowning, searching for a way out. Romney came across as a problem-solver, and--amazingly--more in touch with the American people.You are the only ones that are being charitable

26) Comment by gvm - 04/10/2012

Actually it was the same Romney...just new lies.