White: LFT, LAE in way of student achievement

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Advocate staff file photo by LIBBY ISENHOWER Louisiana State Superintendent of Education John White speaks to the EBR school board in August about the state plan for education, "Louisiana Believes."

Louisiana’s two teacher unions are hindering efforts to improve student achievement in public schools, state Superintendent of Education John White said.

“The decision that their leadership has made to try to get in the way of parents choosing what is best for their kids is I think a very regrettable one,” White said in a 30-minute interview last week about his eventful first year as head of Louisiana’s public school system.

“So I would say that, by definition, at this moment in time those organizations have chosen to get in the way of student achievement,” he said.

White, who is Gov. Bobby Jindal’s chief public schools lieutenant, directed his comments at leaders of the Louisiana Federation of Teachers, called LFT, and the Louisiana Association of Educators, known as LAE.

Both groups filed lawsuits to toss out Louisiana’s expanded voucher law, which White and other backers say gives students and parents the ability to escape failing pubic schools.

After a three-day hearing, 19th Judicial District Judge Tim Kelley, of Baton Rouge, on Friday ruled the voucher law unconstitutional.

Attorneys for the state plan to appeal, and any final resolution is likely months away.

White said he knows that the chief aim of the LFT and LAE, as it is for any union, is job protection and working conditions for teachers and others.

“But when those objectives become so politicized that you start to contradict the rights of others in the name of the rights of your members that seems to me to cross the line,” he said.

Leaders of both groups disputed White’s comments.

“The superintendent is the one in the way of progress,” LAE President Joyce Haynes said. “If you think vouchers is the answer you are already on the wrong track.”

The voucher law is allowing nearly 5,000 students who formerly attended C, D and F public schools to attend private and parochial schools at state expense.

Leaders of the LFT, LAE and other critics contend it is unconstitutional to send state tax dollars intended for public schools to their private and parochial counterparts.

White made his comments the day before Kelley’s ruling during an interview as he nears the one-year mark as Louisiana’s $275,000 per year superintendent.

He is set for his first annual job evaluation in January by the state Board of Elementary and Secondary Education, which hired him in January of this year after a months-long push by Jindal to get White in the job.

BESE President Penny Dastugue said she thinks White will get a favorable job review from the 11-member board, which includes up to nine Jindal allies.

In interviews with educators, White gets high marks for leadership during tumultuous times and improved relations with local superintendents.

“I think White is a good listener,” said Nancy Roberts, executive director and chief executive officer of the Louisiana Resource Center for Educators.

“That goes a long way,” Roberts said.

Critics contend his department is secretive, acts unilaterally too often and that White and key aides are likely short-timers in Louisiana.

State Rep. Patricia Smith, D-Baton Rouge and chairwoman of the Legislative Black Caucus, said the secretive way that White and the department pushed through new rules for private and parochial schools to qualify for state tax dollars was indicative of a lack of transparency.

“I just think it was unconscionable for him to do that,” Smith said.

White’s first year as superintendent coincided with some of the most sweeping changes in public schools in state history.

Prodded by Jindal, the Legislature earlier this year approved the voucher bill as well as measures to make it harder for teachers to earn and retain a form of job security called tenure.

They also enacted laws that redefined the role of local superintendents and overhaul pre-kindergarten programs.

At the same time, the state is in the first year of implementing a new system for teacher evaluations, which will lead to dismissals for some.

In addition, the state is about to toughen classes for public school students as part of a national push to forge national standards that will allow easy state-to-state comparisons of student achievement, where Louisiana has ranked at or near the bottom for years.

However, the LFT and LAE have vehemently opposed many of the public school changes pushed by Jindal and White.

LFT President Steve Monaghan said White and others could have avoided the lawsuits if they had been more inclusive about what went into the bills as they were rammed through the Legislature earlier this year.

“He has been riding that high horse for some time now,” Monaghan said of White’s criticism of teacher unions.

LAE Executive Director Michael Walker-Jones said White has repeatedly rebuffed bids by LAE officials to offer input to the superintendent and local school districts.

Caroline Roemer Shirley, president of the Louisiana Association of Public Charter Schools, said White does a “master job” of setting education policies behind the scenes, includes a wide range of educators on policy discussions and is an impressive advocate for public schools.


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1) Comment by freedom2012 - 04/12/2012

This is about money! Everyone is getting rich off of the state. At least there is nothing going on with Chaz. He did resign as the head of the charter school Ascn. after he won BESE. Now there are no ties to him. Oh, wait a minute. His sister is now the head. I am sure that has no bearing on any of his decisions to promote charter schools! ,” Caroline Roemer Shirley, the Executive Director of the Louisiana Association of Public Charter Schools.

2) Comment by NewsFreak - 04/12/2012

Thanks Noel and Twinkie. I believe the main objective of these private schools that accept vouchers is MONEY. For example, listed under Redemptorist High School' tuition and fee schedule on their website, by my calculations if the voucher child is non-Catholic, in high school, and is dyslexic the amount per school year is $9621, or $10,021 if they are a senior. I am curious to see how many of "these voucher receiving schools" for example Hosanna Christian Academy that accepted 300 voucher children, will be open when the state gravy train (voucher money) dries up!!!

3) Comment by twinkie1cat - 04/12/2012

The effects of poverty on educational achievement have been well known for about 50 years. Thank you Noel for your concise list. And as for readers who complain about the parents and try to put the burden on them, I live in 70805, the bad part of the bad neighborhood. You know, the one with all the crime. And I see parents doing their best with their best with their kids. I see fathers walking their elementary kids to and from the bus stop. I see them talking to them and walking them home. I see mothers with toddlers and babies in tow getting them out to those early buses. My street is full of Christmas decorations and even more decorated for Halloween and walked their little ones house-to-house Poor parents do the best they can by their children, but they cannot do everything. They have to work. This is why we need the kind of quality PUBLIC schools that the kids need, to make up for what the parents cannot do, to create a village of learning. It is why our tax money must not be wasted on sub-standard religious schools that have as their main objective, evangelism and refuse the children who are difficult to teach. Put the money where the kids are----in the public schools.

4) Comment by twinkie1cat - 04/12/2012

So here goes Bobby Jindal and his clone, not-teacher John White, blaming the teachers for the judge declaring his pet laws unconstitutional. What did he expect? He forced through a law that says that tax money could be used for private schools. Are they really so stupid that they thought that the people who were not allowed in their own state capitol would sit there and watch the public schools destroyed and the children taught by people who don't know beans about education???? He is being careful to blame the unions, but remember, Bobby, there would be no unions without the teachers. We are the unions. And teachers do not tolerate abuse forever. And you REALLY messed up this time, because now schools all over America will look to tiny, backwards, Louisana for the precedent. Sit down Bobby and John. Stop wasting taxpayer money defending your unconstitutional law. Give it to the schools instead.

5) Comment by twinkie1cat - 04/12/2012

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6) Comment by 1ryben - 04/12/2012

So if the states with the strongest unions have better schools and vouchers have no effect on student achievement, what's the point of the voucher program? If they really wanted to help students, what are they doing for the overwhelming majority of students that do not or can not participate in the voucher program? If they wish to provide every child with a quality teacher, why use such a flawed evaluation system that relies on false assumptions and chance? If John white is such a great listener why does he ignore the concerns of teachers across the state? Why weren't all stakeholders in education allowed to participate in drafting these reforms? If you've got nothing to hide, why the secrets? Why deny or delay the rease of information to the media? Why the need for three public relations employees/firms?

7) Comment by MBW - 04/12/2012

IF unions are so bad, why are all of the states with the highest test scores the one with strong unions? And why are the "right-to- work" states the ones with the worst test scores and worst SAT scores?

8) Comment by Noel Hammatt - 03/12/2012

Give it a rest @Being__Stupid. Many solutions have been offered. Are you incapable of seeing beyond your BAEO Blinders?

9) Comment by Being_Stupid - 03/12/2012

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k3lf0nE7sPk

10) Comment by Being_Stupid - 03/12/2012

Who really represents the best interest of black children trapped in these failing schools? The Legislative Black Caucus or the Black Alliance for Educational Opportunities? Black Folks need to wake up and realize who is really on their side and who is using them.

11) Comment by Being_Stupid - 03/12/2012

Give vouchers a chance.

12) Comment by Being_Stupid - 03/12/2012

So I guess the answer to fixing public education in Louisiana is to keep doing the same thing we have been doing for 40+ years, keep complaining about the obvious problems, and offer absolutely no solutions whatsoever. What a great plan to fix education.

13) Comment by phil - 03/12/2012

My statement about poverty was general. I believe poverty is just a platform that is the basis for other problems. Personally I was not from a poor family, but we had very little spare money and I was still happy because I had a great set of parents and grandparents to lead me the right way (or at least try to). I am also a fiscal conservative but I do not claim either political party. What really ticks me off are people who use the idea that they are helping young children i order to sell an idea when they are really just trying to implement a money-making scheme. Talk about poverty? Let's talk about those who cause more poverty by using tax funds to make profits, and create more poverty in the process. I have no problem with the rich or the poor. What I do have a problem with are rich greedy corrupt folks who take advantage of both the rich and the poor, and both rich and poor people who misuse the system. I think the silent majority needs to become active and start speaking up or we will all be in trouble and not just with this school issue.

14) Comment by DreamGirl - 03/12/2012

I am a veteran teacher, I agree with teacher accountability, I do not belong to the Union, and at one time I thought I could make a difference . Mr. White and our law makers really don't have a clue! Teachers work under a school roof for 8 hours a day with 20 min. to each lunch and then go home to work even more to make a difference in a child's life , then get slapped in the face by lawmakers saying we are not doing our jobs. What an insult! I get that children from failing schools should have the opportunity to go to another school through school choice or vouchers and I agree with that. I get that vouchers are taking money out of the public schools but there is so much money spent in our failing schools that is wasted anyway, this is a drop in the bucket and is not worth fighting over.The question we should be asking ourselves is why do we have failing school? Do you honestly think it is because of teachers? Teachers can not fail students, discipline students, give what others may consider "too much homework", or hold students accountable. Parents are not held accountable as well. If a student chooses not to do homework then they don't have to do it. Nothing substantial can happen to children who do not follow the rules. instead we have to have a reward system for following the rules. Wasn't it at one time, that students wanted to do their best and good grades were the reward for a job well done ( a time when students had pride in themselves)? Students don't really care anymore unless there is something in it for them. Kids are not taught to learn and apply, they are taught to take a test. Do we have failing schools because we are looked at as a babysitting service? Do we have failing schools because we have parents who feel no self worth , respect, pride, compassion or independence ? Do we have failing schools because we have parents who don't teach self worth, respect, pride, compassion, or independence? Everything can not be taught in the classroom and living the life of welfare dependency is not the Teachers fault. The government needs to take some responsibility. Have welfare to work programs to give people a sense of worth and possibly train in a skilled area. Bring back teaching skilled labor in high school. Yes we have failing schools in Louisiana... Let's get to the root of the problem and fix it. When are we going to stop letting people abuse the system! It might take a few generations before it is better, by my gosh, how much longer can we go on like this? Raising test scores is not going to fix the problem. I am tired of my hard earned tax dollars going down the drain along with our future! Make parents and kids accountable for their actions as well. Oh, I forgot you can't because you have no place to house the defiant ones who can not follow simple rules or act like decent human beings, the judges and ACLU are in the way, and oh yeah... IT IS ALL THE TEACHERS FAULT so let's dictate to teachers what they need to do and how to teach. And oh yeah.... giving every 11th grader the ACT at the taxpayers expense is going to make a difference how? Come on Wake up!! The problems go very deep and all this state is doing is trying to band aid a problem and pat themselves on the back because they temporarily stopped the bleeding.

15) Comment by Noel Hammatt - 03/12/2012

A few ways that "Poverty" interferes with education. 1) Much greater likelihood that the child is raised by one parent, and two parents mean more conversations and language acquisition, on average. 2} Less likely to reside in a home that is stable, more likely to move on a regular basis. Moving is highly detrimental to student achievement. 3) More likely to live in housing containing toxins such as lead and mercury. Study after study has shown this. These toxins directly impact brain cells and brain development. 4) Children in poverty are more likely to be impacted by illnesses, in part due to unstable nutrition and the environmental issues previously mentioned. 5) Children in poverty are more likely to be home alone and television is more likely to be used an a babysitter. Children watching more television per day have lower academic achievement. 6) Children living in poverty are more likely to live in neighborhoods and families where violence is a regular threat. The mental stress of fear has an incredibly deleterious impact on brain development. 7) Children living in poverty are morel likely to have hearing and vision problems. A number of studies have found that students living in families below the poverty line have nearly twice the rate of vision and hearing problems.

16) Comment by squiggly - 03/12/2012

@tradwinns - How many people do you know who are in poverty and don't care about how their kids do in school? People always put forth their opinions and perceptions about what goes on in someone else's home, but many of them don't know anything about the people who they are talking about. Unless you've lived in poverty you really don't have a clue about debilitating that circumstance is. That's why in many developed countries they work hard to keep people out of poverty. Unlike in this country, they realize that it is better for the society as a whole to keep poverty as low as possible.

17) Comment by tradewinns - 03/12/2012

i agree with you yet again phil. i do take exception to your statement that one of the problems with our failing school system is "poverty". i feel that is an excuse to justify the parents NOT raising their children properly so the kids know how to learn and behave in class. kids in poverty are allowed to attend some kind of public funded "school or learning enviroment" from almost the beginning of their life. that is not reinforced when the child returns home. in fact the opposite occurs. the parent(s) show no respect or inkling that education is important or desirable. then the kid sees their parent(s) (the most important people on earth) don't care, so they don't care. sooner or later the parents will have to be held accountable or public education will slowly slide into oblivion. even if you could change it tomorrow, those in 3rd or 4th grade are probably to late to be saved. so it will take quick and drastic action to save the children. and voucher are NOT the answer. and i am a die hard conservative republican and have been since i was 21 yo (the age when i was allowed to vote). but unlike some republicans and most democrats i do still think.

18) Comment by Noel Hammatt - 03/12/2012

Thanks Phil! @bourbon-soda: There was testing, periodically, and, as you say, not as commonplace as today... but, the scores on these tests meant nothing. There was the NEDT tests and the precursor to NAEP. There was no penalty to you if you did poorly, and no rewards either. Today, the tests are driving everything in education, it seems. Now as to the issue of testing to enter professions. I don't really have a problem with entry-exams such as those for engineering, the law, medicine, or teaching. It is interesting to note that the entrance exams for engineering and the law, in particular, are often used by their profession to limit the number of new professionals into their fields. And the cutoff scores necessary for those seeking to professions, are determined by those in the field, not by politicians trying to prove a point. :)

19) Comment by 8point6 - 03/12/2012

phil: Thank you! I, also, was a product of the public schools. Male teachers wore shirt and ties, female teachers wore dresses back then. It was also, "yes mam', no mam, yes sir and no sir." Don't EVEN THINK about talking back to the coaches.

20) Comment by phil - 03/12/2012

Noel Hammatt - You are willing to go the extra mile and stick your neck out here to tell the truth and let it be known and I respect that. I am not an educator, but I believe it is just very easy to figure out that vouchers are not the answer to the public school problem. Vouchers might be the answer to bust unions and make some people rich in the process, but that is another subject.. I am sure I am older than you are and I remember when our industrial arts teacher at Westdale would get the big paddle out when the boys got smart with teachers. I remember when the teachers would stand out in the halls and watch the kids and even make them spit out gum if they were chewing it.. This public school issue is a poverty and a discipline problem among others and is partly caused by the lack of a structured home with a mother and father to teach children discipline and how to act and how to listen to and respect. authority . The school issue is a reflection of declining morals in the USA and that same problem will destroy our nation in the long term. Do not give up. It is not easy to fight the system. I know.

21) Comment by deepseamarinier - 03/12/2012

I am SICK of those union thugs. The nerve of them fighting what our precious Mr. White is doing. Yeah, the reform is unconstitutional, so what? It's just a piece of paper. There is money to be made on consulting fees and seminars and selling textbooks. I see no reason the constitution needs to be involved. Besides, if the constitution is so important, why is it such a long word?

22) Comment by bourbon-soda - 03/12/2012

@coachblades -Sorry, I responded to your remarks on ACT but mistakenly addressed it to Noel. I appreciate your posts. Thanks for them. I agree with you about the ACT. Because the ACT is not intended for the general population, results are guaranteed to be so bad there will have to be scapegoats. How are you supposed to get even 50% of students even to try on the test? I am now admittedly stereotyping, but prevailing pedagogical dogma, including presidential and other political so-called rhetoric, is that large numbers of people who belong in college are being excluded, so it's hard for teachers to oppose testing everyone as if for college, even when such testing (ACT) is a farce and the results will be used against teachers and public schools. Thanks again for your reasoned and temperate posts.

23) Comment by bourbon-soda - 03/12/2012

And when i went to school there was periodic testing of all students; it was just not so pervasive as now.

24) Comment by bourbon-soda - 03/12/2012

So we could do away with medical and engineering licensure and bar exams.

25) Comment by Noel Hammatt - 03/12/2012

@NewsFreak: Are you kidding? None of the highly "rated" schools are accepting vouchers. And the LSU Lab SChool is probably one of the most exclusive (I did NOT say anything about its quality, only the difficulty in getting in) schools in the state. I guess the only reason it is called a "Laboratory" school is because it is a laboratory to determine the limits of exclusivity (no special needs students need apply, or low income students unless you are very good at sports) need apply to this school. So, no, no vouchers accepted. @bourbon-soda: I didn't list any reasons for the ACT, but someone else did. When you went to school, there was NO testing of ALL students. There were no school report cards. The teachers took no tests to get into teaching, other than within their degree programs. People of my generation took no "exit tests" and no "high stakes" tests other than those prepared by our teachers, who we assumed had a clue or two about what they were teaching. Once we decided that we couldn't trust teachers or teachers' tests, we entered the brave new world of testing as big business! The tests used in international comparisons... basically worthless for "ranking, but useful (in a limited way) for determining what our strengths are. Go back to Montaigne's points. It is in the life of the student AFTER school that we can measure our effects. All that can be measured is not necessarily important... and all that is important cannot necessarily be reduced to a test.

26) Comment by bourbon-soda - 03/12/2012

@Noel - I agree about the ACT, for more reasons than you listed, but more appropriate testing appears to me to be the only way the buyer (including taxpayers) gets objective information about the product. Or, without it, how do I know that students are actually learning anything? If it is unimportant, we don't need to worry about those disparities between the US and the rest of the world in math, for example; so what's the problem?

27) Comment by NewsFreak - 03/12/2012

Does anyone know if the LOUISIANA STATE University Lab School (grades K-12) accepted any voucher students? I was told they have zero. Food for thought.

28) Comment by Noel Hammatt - 03/12/2012

@Being_Stupid: Are you actually interested in learning anything? Or are you trying to live up to your name? Would that we had more people willing to stand up to the kind of purchased political power represented by those who need to spend millions on spin, since the truth is NOT something they want to get out. Goebbels would be proud of the Department of Education and their minions of propagandists... please tell me you are not one of those who will choose to wait until total corruption? If you want to learn, or want to share your understanding with me, I'll offer you a cup of coffee at the spot of your choosing. noel.hammatt@gmail.com

29) Comment by Being_Stupid - 03/12/2012

I would rather be a reformer than an obstructionist.

30) Comment by Noel Hammatt - 03/12/2012

@NewsFreak: Good questions! The reason why "credentials" don't matter for the reformers is that they have no clue how to read research, and they are more concerned with making a profit. Nancy Roberts, who was quoted as "an educator" in the article, is not, of course, an educator. She does, however, make money off the training of new teachers. And the more the merrier. This administration does not want experienced teachers. They want to make big money off teacher turnover. You know, like Teach for America does! As to what assurance parents have that their "private voucher receiving" school is any better? None. Doesn't matter. The reasons for choosing a school can include such things as racial preferences? Economic preferences. Religious preferences. Sporting opportunities. Supporting one's local church. None of these requires any knowledge of the academic quality of a school. The "reformers" are well aware of this, as they are aware that the first voucher programs in the South were specifically designed to ensure that the children of white parents were not forced to attend school with the children of Black parents. Yep, read your history. Every Southern state tried it after Brown v Board of Education of Topeka in 1954.

31) Comment by Buck - 03/12/2012

Gee, how come I'm not shocked by Mr. White analysis. He and the Gov are simply toting the agenda of some of the ultra right wing focus groups. My analysis is supported by reports of some of folks who showed up at the recent hearing. Check out such as the "Institute for Justice" and/or "Black Alliance for Educational Options" to name a few. Not to cause any trouble, but I do live in Tangi, I dare to suggest it is time to get some of the politics out of this discussion and Im encouraged that in the recent case, the school boards, representatives of teachers and some enlightened public representatives joined together. As a student of Th. Jeferson I note that in his time many folks recognized that the British authorities in the colonies were useless, primarily because their policies were dictated by economic interests in England, they decided to form their own councils. I'm not necessarily proposing that we have an overall revolution, but I do suggest that those dedicated to the concept of public education, a radical concept of TJ, should shortly get together and explore how the educational system in Louisiana can be flipped to be one of the best. The urgency of this is based on the fact that the next Legislature session will be a fiscal session and as such note several comments have been made, even by Judge Kelly, that there are more than one way to fund vouchers. If one goes back to BJ's fact sheet of Jan 17, 2012 you would note his proposal, "Create a rebate for donations made to nonprofit organizations that offer scholarship to low-income students to attend private school." This is directly out of the ALEC agenda, "The Great School Tax Credit Program Act." Interesting, what if these donations could go to public schools? The bottom-line is don't get complacent and just be satisfied with defensive actions, but develop an offensive plan that emphasis real educational reform and not one fostered by outside economic/ideological interests.

32) Comment by coachblades - 03/12/2012

@bourbon_soda to kinda redirect your question regarding testing.....I agree testing has its place but how much sense does it make to force ALL public school 11th graders to take the ACT (a college entrance exam) despite the fact that in the 10th grade students and parents decide what course to continue for the rest of highschool. (In the 10th grade all students and parents decide if they will continue on the basic highschool diploma track or the college prep track) Kids on the basic highschool diploma track plan to graduate highschool and enter the work force. This type of testing will result in two things 1 wasted taxpayer money (ACT aint free) 2 it will show lower average ACT score for LA which will become something to beat teachers with.

33) Comment by Noel Hammatt - 03/12/2012

@bourbon-soda: http://essays.quotidiana.org/montaigne/education_of_children/ It is indeed in one of his essays that his comments on testing appear. "Let the master not only examine him about the grammatical construction of the bare words of his lesson, but about the sense and let him judge of the profit he has made, not by the testimony of his memory, but by that of his life. Let him make him put what he has learned into a hundred several forms, and accommodate it to so many several subjects, to see if he yet rightly comprehends it, and has made it his own, taking instruction of his progress by the pedagogic institutions of Plato. ’Tis a sign of crudity and indigestion to disgorge what we eat in the same condition it was swallowed; the stomach has not performed its office unless it have altered the form and condition of what was committed to it to concoct. Our minds work only upon trust, when bound and compelled to follow the appetite of another’s fancy, enslaved and captivated under the authority of another’s instruction; we have been so subjected to the trammel, that we have no free, nor natural pace of our own; our own vigour and liberty are extinct and gone:" Why are their exams for teaching? Why, for the same reasons the reformers want testing for everyone! There is much profit to be made in testing!

34) Comment by NewsFreak - 03/12/2012

What assurances do the poor parents of children have that attend a failing public school have, that a private voucher receiving school is any better?

35) Comment by NewsFreak - 03/12/2012

Why aren't the "teachers" in the private schools that accept vouchers, example Redemptorist Schools of Baton Rouge that have 143 voucher students according to the Advocate and the LA Dept of Education, required to even have a teaching certificate? (Verify through LA Dept of Education website)

36) Comment by bourbon-soda - 03/12/2012

Should be "why are there exams for teaching certificates"?

37) Comment by bourbon-soda - 03/12/2012

@Noel - 1) Could you be more specific with your Montaigne reference? Which essay does it appear in, or elsewhere? I searched for "test" and "examination" and didn't come up with anything that seemed applicable. 2) If testing is the least significant component of education, where are there exams for teaching certificates?

38) Comment by Noel Hammatt - 03/12/2012

@Whatchange: You asked for it! First, enact a 5-year moratorium on the use of School Performance Scores and "Letter Grades." Why? They have nothing to tell us about the quality of the school, or the teaching within the school. They lead to an incredible set of negative consequences for the students who most need our help, such as closing schools that the parents themselves believe are providing their children a good education. It is interesting to note that both the President of BESE and the Superintendent of Education have made comments about how "parents know best" yet both have also said that parents in the public schools, somehow, could not figure out whether their children were receiving a good education unless they (John White and Penny Dastugue) made it easy for them by giving schools "letter Grades. They and the pompous head of the Council for A Better Louisiana along with other so-called "reformers" stated when letter grades first came out that parents would suddenly find out how wrong they were about the schools their children attended. Really? There is a "Parent Trigger" in the law that lets a simple majority of parents turn a local school over to the private sector, yet there is NO WAY for a similar majority to vote to go back to their local school boards, and the control of the citizens and taxpayers who actually paid for the school! And this is happening at a time when the vast majority of schools under the control of the state Recovery School District are failing in EVERY WAY measureable. Students are bailing out and scores are the lowest in the state. Second, make our schools totally transparent, not with a letter grade or school performance score that tells you nothing, but open our schools up! John White and the reformers are doing everything they can to deny access to educational data that might help show us HOW we need to improve the education of our students. Without good data, which they are denying researchers access to, we cannot find the real solutions. Let parents, and citizens, and the media see what is going on in schools, and in the data. They can continue to test, but use the tests ONLY for the purposes they were intended. To help identify what we can do to help students succeed! Third, we need to seek to improve those factors outside of schools that most impact student achievement. Everyone knows that early childhood education begins in the homes, and that the most important teacher is the mother or father in the home? Yet we don't hear a word about that from the reformers. I guess they cannot make a profit or gain political points for focusing attention at that factor. We don't need lots of new programs. We need attention, public and honest attention, about how parents can, in fact, increase the likelihood of success for their children. Up until now, the only thing they have heard from John White and others is that they need to pick the right schools. I have news for the reformers. Children don't get to pick their homes, and the conditions and challenges their parent or parents face. We can, as a larger community living by the principles that every major religion or philosophy espouses, help these children to experience environments that are conducive to great brain development and healthy social lives. We don't currently do this. Finally, we need to rethink this bashing of public school teachers that is based not on any research at all, but simply on the basis of false claims made by those who stand to profit off their demise. The majority of teachers are incredibly hard working, courageous, and dedicated missionaries seeking to help the neediest children in our community. Shame on this community for relying on the false prophets and profiteers of reform, and their lies and myths, instead of doing basic research and going out to visit some schools, and learning more about how education and schooling work. Finally, for those who love to point out how poorly Louisiana scores on national rankings… please go Google "Simpson's Paradox." When you figure out what it means, you will also better understand WHY Louisiana has more challenges, yet does much better than many, many other states. When you do so, join me and let's truly make a difference in education, for the children, for a change! Noel.Hammatt@gmail.com

39) Comment by Being_Stupid - 03/12/2012

The plan is to appeal.

40) Comment by NearBarbarian - 03/12/2012

Add this to Noel Hammatt's insights: public schools must accept all students, including students with a variety of learning disabilities; private and charter schools do not. Moreover, smaller public schools' assessment numbers are skewed because only a small number of learning disabled students can deflate otherwise satisfactory schoolwide performance. All public schools that lose students to private and charter schools will be left with a greater number of learning disabled students, a situation which will also negatively affect testing scores and, thus, public schools' performance grades. I AM NOT making the argument that public schools should not accept students with special needs. In fact, I am a staunch supporter of public schools because they do try to fulfill their mission to serve all students--even while resources and popular support are dwindling. What I AM getting at are three points: 1) If the state's school-grading system does not take into account the acheivement scores of learning disabled children (as well as socioeconomic status), then the scores are at least meaningless, if not malignant. 2) If public funds are diverted away from public schools, then already underfunded special education programs will suffer even further. 3) Given that Mr. Jindal and Mr. White are not holding voucher-receiving schools to the same standards as public schools, we should be very concerned about any special education students who do enter voucher-receiving schools, as unlikely as that occurrence might be.

41) Comment by Whatchange - 03/12/2012

So what is a better plan.

42) Comment by Noel Hammatt - 03/12/2012

What IS interesting @bourbon-soda is that the research used to come up with the powerful relationships between poverty and the scores on standardized tests is currently being blocked by John White and the reformers. They don't want anyone using the data to come to conclusions that they do not approve of. It is painfully clear that the data do not support their claims, therefore they are denying the data! As for the double-edged sword of recognizing that teachers represent only about 17% of student achievement, I point out two ways of viewing that. First, 17% is the impact on standardized tests, which is NOT, in my mind, the most important measure of a student's education, not by a long shot. Read Montaigne's view of testing from nearly 400 years ago, and you will see what I mean. Next, and related to the first way of thinking about teachers, most students (and adults) can point to a teacher that made a huge difference in their lives. Might not have shown up on a test score, but in the life of the student after school!

43) Comment by bourbon-soda - 03/12/2012

@Noel - thanks. You might be interested in http://educationrealist.wordpress.com/ . A teacher writing about this stuff, among other things. Always intriguing when quantitative information is so politically hot. It seems to me that someone with a little college statistics, a listing of schools by demographic characteristics and their grades, could run a regression analysis and see for himself. It's not that complicated. Whether the teacher is responsible/makes any difference is double-edged, IMO.

44) Comment by Noel Hammatt - 03/12/2012

@bourbon-soda: Most of the predictions are within larger studies, in order to tease out other factors impacting student achievement. ALL studies acknowledge that factors outside of schools (such as the socioeconomic factors impacting the students in each school) are much greater predictors of student (and hence, school) achievement than anything happening within the schools. It is important to note that research by most researchers at the university level will not be funded if their data does not support the "reformer." The "reformers" control the vast majority of research monies. Here are a few studies that I have access to that I can share. Many are not published, and for interesting political reasons having to do with self-preservation. The number of studies showing the relationship of socioeconomics to student achievement are many! http://www.eric.ed.gov/PDFS/EJ718119.pdf educatorsforall.org/blog/2012/3/8/why-schools-fail-or-what-if- failing-schoolsarent.html

45) Comment by iluvbtr - 03/12/2012

The entire choice/testing/merit-pay scam has its roots in the desire of profit- making private entrepreneurs to get their hands on your tax money from federal and state sources. And now -- ominously -- Jindal's plan would allow diversion of your local school levy money to charter and private schools. Transferring control of public dollars to private hands is not reform. It is privatization. This strikes at the very heart of public education. It is a mirage. Louisiana needs to do the right thing and support a sound public education system that benefits the children of the rising generation. The need for true educational reform, however, whether "traditional" or "innovative," is compelling because Louisiana needs a larger proportion of well-educated people than we have now, not only so we can compete globally, but for the preservation of a democratic society; a society that is not easily led by the half-truths and lies that pass for political discourse. We need an informed citizenry that will be skeptical in believing that the "free market" holds the solution to every economic problem. We need an educated citizenry that has the reasoning power to distinguish rumor and innuendo from fact and has the intellectual tools to pick apart the simplistic rhetoric that passes for political discourse. We need a focused public that demands reasoned proposals to address our present challenges. Why is it that politicians don’t pay attention to research and studies?

46) Comment by iluvbtr - 03/12/2012

Right now there are more first year teachers in America than there are people with any experience. We have been driving away good teachers and experienced teachers with all of this negative trash talk about teachers and we should stop it now and begin to talk about how to have a positive approach. First of all giving respect to teachers, that’s the least we should do, and secondly just to recognize that they have a really, really hard job and to give them the support and resources that they need to do their job. There is a large body of research by testing experts warning that it is wrong to judge teacher quality by student test scores and that these measures are considered inaccurate and unstable, that a teacher may be labeled effective one year, then ineffective the next one? These measures may be strongly influenced by the composition of a teacher’s classroom, over which she or he has no control? Do you think there is a long line of excellent teachers waiting to replace those who are (in many cases, wrongly) fired? Unions aren’t the problem. States like Massachusetts, New Jersey and Connecticut with the highest levels of unionization also have the highest school performance, while the lowest performance is in the Deep South with the lowest unionization. The U.S. Department of Education's Schools and Staffing Survey which show that the modal years of teaching experience in 1987-88 was 15: in the latest published survey, 2007-08, the modal years of experience was one. That means that in 2008 there were more teachers in their first year of teaching than any other group. This is frightening. What sane nation would want to lose its experienced teachers and rely increasingly on newcomers? The teaching profession is traumatized by our current policies resulting in the most experienced and skilled practitioners being turned off from the profession by data-driven politicians Of course, teachers should be evaluated, but they should be evaluated by knowledgeable professionals—their supervisors and peers. Of course, incompetent teachers should be fired, but first they should have a chance to improve. If they can't improve, they don't belong in the classroom. What is happening is that the teaching profession will become the least desirable for any bright, capable and idealistic student which will result in the further intellectual impoverishment of public schools.

47) Comment by iluvbtr - 03/12/2012

Milwaukee has had vouchers for low-income students since 1990, and now state scores in Wisconsin show that low-income students in voucher schools get no better test scores than low-income students in the Milwaukee public schools. The Louisiana Budget Project says that Gov. Bobby Jindal's push to dramatically expand the state's private school voucher program is lacking the accountability and transparency parents need to make informed decisions about their children's educational needs. The report gives Jindal's plan an "F" on accountability. Handing over public resources to private schools with no strings attached is bad public policy.

48) Comment by bourbon-soda - 03/12/2012

@ Noel - Can you recommend an accessible article where researchers explicate this prediction of school grade versus socioeconomic factors? Thanks.

49) Comment by Noel Hammatt - 03/12/2012

Somehow The Advocate keep inserting a space after "savings" in the address, let's see if this one works. This article explains how local taxes get hit twice with vouchers. There are no savings to local school districts, regardless of the lies told by the "reformers." educatorsforall.org/blog/2012/10/6/false-claims-of-savings-in-the- phantom-finance-world-of-vouc.html

50) Comment by Being_Stupid - 03/12/2012

"I don't care anymore" - (also, Phil Collins)

51) Comment by Being_Stupid - 03/12/2012

"Too many men, too many people, making too many problems, and not enough love to go around, can't you see this is the Land of Confusion" - Phil Collins.

52) Comment by Noel Hammatt - 03/12/2012

I wonder why Will Sentell chose to ignore the fact that a majority of school boards and the Entire School Boards Association also filed in this lawsuit? Is he drinking the reformers Kool-Aid too? In a state that has some of the weakest unions and where their power is significantly less than it is in other states, the reformers are going to blame unions for low student performance? Is that story line the reason why The Advocate, John White, and all of the reformers refuse to ever discuss or explain why researchers can predict school performance scores using student socioeconomic data? Perhaps Cousin Dave, or any of the other apologists for the reformers would care to explain why schools with "A" letter grades have an average of 34% of their students qualifying for free meals, while those with "F" letter grades assigned have an average of nearly 90% of their students qualifying for free meals?

53) Comment by Noel Hammatt - 03/12/2012

To understand how your local taxes have to pay TWICE for vouchers, read the article at http://educatorsforall.org/blog/2012/10/6/false-claims-of-savings- in-the-phantom-finance-world-of-vouc.html

54) Comment by Noel Hammatt - 03/12/2012

When the parents of the 700,000 students who did NOT choose vouchers find out they are losing art, music, world languages and librarians... all because the costs of vouchers hit local school systems twice (yes, the lies told by the administration about local dollars not being used was proven to be just that, more lies). When the citizens without students in the schools realize that they are paying taxes for schools teaching that the earth is 6000 years old, and man walked with dinosaurs. When taxpayers find out that their tax dollars are going to schools where there is NO accountability for the funds, or for student achievement. When the people of Louisiana find out that their tax dollars are being spent to tell lies about the achievement of Louisiana students, in order that a few might benefit economically from the lies. When all of these come to pass, John White and his highly paid puppets will no longer be around. All they have to do is keep the truth away long enough to make their money, make their false claims of success, and move on to other victims of their scams.

55) Comment by oldschoolromad - 03/12/2012

Okay honestly, It is impossible to blame failing schools on teachers "unions" this is simply right wing nonsense propaganda. If your going to argue that "unions" are the cause for all the school ills, then you have to explain why states with the strongest unions are among the top performers, and states with the weakest teachers unions are the worst performers. I've heard of people arguing that correlation = causation, but I don't think anyone in their right mind could argue no correlation = causation. So to all who would blame this on the unions. How do you explain this phenomenon???

56) Comment by DMJ - 03/12/2012

"efforts to improve student achievement in public schools"? They don't want to improve public schools; they want to kill them. And they'll use teachers unions as a scapegoat while doing so. Judging from some of the comments, it looks like it's working...

57) Comment by RODEO CLOWN - 03/12/2012

Another one of Jindal's lap dogs making excuses and throwing blame around to cover Jindal's incompetent, ineffective administration. Jindal's had four years to address the problems with respect to education but waited until the first year of his second term to "make a move" with respect to "improvements". Now, his supposed improvements entails abandoning the educational system, transferring students to private/parochial schools resulting in a financial loss and sacrifice to the public school system . Such a move is not in any way an improvement but a wanton abandonment of the public school system. So, it is not surprising, White--one of Jindal's lap dogs--will place the blame on the very professionals operating within the system. Just as Jindal's decimated the public health systems in Louisiana, he has and is now taking aim on the public school system.

58) Comment by NearBarbarian - 03/12/2012

PS: It was suggested below that unions serve only the "worker" not the "consumer." Such comments indicate how much trouble, educationally, we're in. People work so that they may consume. Most consumers work; ergo, most consumers are workers and vice versa. Following that, most Americans work and consume; they are worker-consumers. Additionaly, even in an oxymoronic "right to work" (actually, "doomed to be exploited") state, ALL worker-consumers benefit from the triumphs of organized labor (past and present). If Jindal & Co. would spend less time selling our schools (and state) to private interests, such as companies and creationists, then more people would know about basic economics and one of the most important, beneficial movements in American history.

59) Comment by phil - 03/12/2012

I do not think that sending a relatively few students to private schools using vouchers will help the overall education situation much at all. What about all of those students who are still left behind in failing schools? Public schools should and must treat ALL students equally. I think that the only way a voucher system could do that is to give every student in LA a voucher. What the voucher system does, in my opinion, is to open the door for individuals etc to make profits in private schools that can be created in the future or are already in operation. I believe the voucher system does NOT solve the existing problems in public schools at all. I admit I do not have the answers. Vouchers are NOT the answer!

60) Comment by NearBarbarian - 03/12/2012

Oh, Mr. White, Mr. White, Mr. White. If this is the sort of propaganda your new, expensive PR consultant is advising you to cook up, then the Emperor not only has no clothes but also has no skin. FACT: the two organizations are unions in name only; furthermore, their membership is only a small fraction of Louisiana teachers. If we did live in a state in which unions could exist more than nominally and could act accordingly, your master (Mr. Jindal) and you are case studies in why we should not only tolerate but embrace organized labor. FACT: The third branch of a tripartite government, not professional organizations, stepped in your way. The executive branch, which includes you, has ABUSED its power on educational and many other matters. The legislative branch, composed of both Republicans and Democrats, FAILED to do its constitutionally-mandated job. The judicial branch, composed of both Republicans and Democrats, STOPPED a constitutional train wreck. FACT: You are a political puppet and opportunist with no substantial educational or credible administrative experience. FACT: It's, of course, not all your fault, Mr. White. You're just a hollow technocrat who's been given an opportunity to do what you do best, profit from destruction. Ultimately the fault lies at the door of every Louisiana citizen. Unless Louisianans get serious about education and their state's future, then they might just get to see the state flag's design change from a pelican caring for her hatchlings to Jesus riding a dinosaur.

61) Comment by Warp7 - 03/12/2012

@cousinDave and others: Get a life folks and stop giving the same old angry hate filled conservative response when then things don't go your way. If the Judge would have ruled in your favour you would be heaping praise upon him. The judge rules in accordance with the constitution and now suddenly he is a traitor. The real traitor are you so called conservatives who have been intent on destroying the public school system for over 40 years now. The real traitor is the Governor, state legislator and local school boards that have not supported the system the way it should be supported. The real traitor is people like you who provide a lot of lip service but not real support to the schools. The system mab be broken, but it can be fixed. The fixed offered by our ego maniac Governor does nothing to fix the problem. What he has done is to merely take needed dollars and give it away to his private sector supporters. You and some of the other nay sayers are probably the same ones that pulled your kids out of the schools at the very start of integration. You all are probably the same ones that think teachers should not be paid a livable wage. You people are probably the ones that do not appreciate the fact that the majority of teachers work past the end of the school day for free after hrs and on weekends. Take one look in the mirror and you will see the real problem stirring you in the face. White and the Governor are the real traitors!

62) Comment by Noel Hammatt - 03/12/2012

@TommyRucker :the facts are not as clear as you claim them here. The so-called "failing schools" of Louisiana are no more the fault of the teachers than the high AIDS rate in Baton Rouge is the fault of failing doctors. Mr. Rucker, if you care to have an open and honest conversation about the facts, feel free to contact me at noel.hammatt@gmail.com and I would love to talk about our schools over a cup of coffee. I'll leave you with these three facts. I can back up each one. The largest research studies do NOT find that vouchers significantly improve student achievement for any students. Second, studies looking at the differences in academic achievement between public school students and those in private or parochial schools show NO overall advantage for the private or parochial school students when comparing students from similar backgrounds. Finally, their is no evidence that has ever been presented by this administration that overcomes one simple fact: The letter grades and school performance scores are merely representations of the socio-economics of the students within the schools. Even John White and all of his highly paid publicists cannot challenge that statement. There is nothing in the accountability system that even looks at teachers when deriving the scores for the schools. Why the anger, sir? I look forward to buying you a cup of coffee, if you want to explore more.

63) Comment by coachblades - 03/12/2012

Your right TommyRucker we teachers are self serving and only interested in money. Last saturday i could have gone to my summer home on the french riviera but instead I had to work the door at a basketball tournament from 1-8pm (no overtime pay, no k time NO COMPENSATION AT ALL WHATSOEVER!) Only 3 or 4 parishes in LA have collective barganing. So in 3 or 4 parishes the union has SOME power.

64) Comment by MBW - 03/12/2012

Folks, get a grip about teachers' unions. The unions are a weak force in this state (compared to others). It's a right-to-work state...so blaming the state's education problems on unions is misleading because they just don't have that much power.

65) Comment by TommyRucker - 03/12/2012

The system is broken and has been broken, badly broken, for a long long time and yet we keep listening to these self serving unions because they are a political force, part of the democratic party MOB. These teachers are teaching many of these values to your kids and you wonder what is wrong with them-it's an 'it's all about ME' approach as that is the bottom line. They talk about caring for the kids but that is a joke as they are only using OUR kids to get their self serving needs met. At least the voucher system will let parents with kids go to schools where they can have the opportunity to learn from teachers interested in the vocation of teaching and not just getting more money and more benefits.

66) Comment by coachblades - 03/12/2012

The unions are not standing in the way of student achievement. What is standing in our way is the fact that our state superintendant isnt even qualified to be an assistant principal, and our BESE board that is filled with noneducators or non public educators. Lottie Beebe is the exception. And to address the notion that all unions want is job protection and better working conditions...The union didnt bring up the part of the "reforms" that remove tenure only the law using the MFP for vouchers...But yes i do want better working conditions, If i break up a fight a kid can and will sue me, if a kid breaks into my locked closet and steals my medication they can and will sue me, if a student gets hurt in my classroom even though he was doing something he shouldnt have been he can and will sue me. You bet your _____ i want better working conditions.

67) Comment by TommyRucker - 03/12/2012

It is about time people started telling the TRUTH about the miserable state of the public school system and its lack of any real effort to improve over the decades other than to demand MORE money and benefits for the teachers and administrators. It is a shame that some poor people who are caught in the absolute worse public schools (thru no fault of their own) may be denied voucher help from the state to attend private schools in their area. The judges making these rulings need to be required to send their kids to these horrible public schools that are no more than poor baby sitting operations at best. The system is broken and it ihas been broken for a long time. Unfortunately giving more money to the same old people with the same old ideas is NOT going to fix it and neither is giving in to the MOB (the teachers' union)

68) Comment by Iamhopeful2 - 03/12/2012

43 or so district school boards signed on to this lawsuit with 30 or so others waiting in the wings with their desegregation orders putting them in the same position as Tangipahoa. . . Who is left? Those school board members are democratically elected officials who typically would be negotiating with the teachers unions for working conditions that, in our children's classrooms translate into learning conditions. Anyone who has seen a teacher's contract knows it's not all about pay and benefits. TEACHERS organized as unions provide the only semblance of a level playing field in having any voice in this state's education policy conversation. Because there is no other valid argument or evidence that the reform agenda offers meaningful improvement for public schools, unions and teachers are demonized. White and friends will continue to use the argument out of desperation though. It's old, tired, status quo just like the so-called innovation of high stakes standardized testing and the ever changing standards and standardized curriculum that serve as nothing but tools to label public schools as failures to justify privatization by schools that REFUSE to be raped by them. Now that the dust from the Race To The Top and the legislative process has cleared, educators are finding their way into the public arena of opinion and their expertise is becoming evident. With George Noell's bogus value added formula now uncovered and available for peer review and scrutiny, the teacher evaluation methodology is being revealed for the sham that it is. The media is resisting the story but it's only a matter of time before DOE and BESE are exposed publicly for not only covering up its deficiencies but manipulating the data and lying about the results used to create School Performance Scores and soon, teacher effectiveness ratings. A growing number of public citizens are engaged in the investigation and unraveling of the shenanigans of DOE and BESE doing what no Advocate or Picayune reporter has done. It is only a matter of time before White moves on to greener pastures again. My only question is will he be ushered out by Jindal as a hero with a more lucrative transfer to another big city school system ripe for the picking or will he be dumped like his predecessor Pastorek and replaced with a grown up who at least has some legal expertise and ability to lie his way thru Jindal's agenda.

69) Comment by Get Real - 03/12/2012

Isn't it ironic that, Caroline Roemer Shirley, president of the Louisiana Association of Public Charter Schools, the sister of Chas Roemer is for vouchers. I wonder why Chas is a big supporter of vouchers for charter schools.

70) Comment by Get Real - 03/12/2012

The problem with the system is not the teacher or the schools; the problem lies with the parents. No matter where you send children if the parents are not involved in the education process it will not be a successful process. What Puyish and White should do is get with lawmakers to come up with laws that penalize parents for their children's behavior. In Texas, the parents are fined through the courts $500 for each fight a student has at school. guess what the fighting has virtually stopped. When parents are penalized for their children disturbing school and making bad grades the system will be great. HOLD PARENTS ACCOUNTABLE NOT JUST EDUCATORS!!!

71) Comment by Mr. T - 03/12/2012

These lawsuits over Jindal's policies are going to cost us taxpayers plenty. This voucher case is the tip of the iceberg. Wait till the retirement case hits the fan.

72) Comment by MBW - 03/12/2012

I don't have kids now, but plan to. When I do, you can be sure I won't live around here by the time they reach school age. I want my kids to go to good quality *public* schools. Sadly, that's not really a choice around here. Even the "good" public schools around here are not that good. Sad.

73) Comment by MBW - 03/12/2012

It's nothing other than a sign a abject failure when such HUGE numbers of parents send their kids to private schools. I've never lived anywhere else where private schools are so prevalent. This a shame and a travesty for our community...not because private schools are bad, but because it sends a signal to others that we are a divided community and that our community is not the right place to raise a child.

74) Comment by civitasiveritas - 03/12/2012

It appears that Will Sentell is back to propaganda as press. Nancy Roberts has never been an educator, and her programs are about bringing money and glory to Nancy Roberts. Her teacher education program was rated lowest in the state. She must kiss up to White, she needs the money for her programs. As for Caroline Roemer Shirley, just how much conflict of interest does it take before anyone recognizes the self-serving propagandists of Louisiana. John White, Caroline Roemer, and Nancy Roberts, along with the totally absurd "Lefty" Lefkowith writing her as "Cousin Dave" are all in the pockets, if now much deeper and coming from behind, if you get my drift, of John White. With BESE bought and paid for, I am sure John White will get a good evaluation, after all, Chas Roemer et al wouldn't want the gravy train to run out for their family and friends! All this talk of the unions, and Will Sentell, who might as well get his paycheck from the reformers, doesn't even mention that a vast majority of the school boards and the Louisiana School Boards Association was also a party to the lawsuit. Unfortunately, that doesn't fit with Will Sentell's (and let's face it, The Advocates vehement opposition to unions of any kind) playing the reformers game of "spinning" their reforms as being for the "children." The lies, the deceit, and the millions of dollars spend making a few people powerful and wealthy has NOTHING to do with children. It is power and money. There would be no reason for the lies of John White and his deceitful and his refusal to release evidence of what he is doing on the secrets floor of the Claiborne Building if what he was doing was truly in the best interests of children. John White and his highly paid-and totally unqualified bevy of spin-doctors needs to take their winnings and leave. Soon. It will take years to unravel their deceit and their theft of money from the citizens of Louisiana. Perhaps the Advocate will actually join other media sources across the state who aren't begging for table scraps of lies from John White, and actually do some research! White lies.

75) Comment by Chucky - 03/12/2012

Unions are always for the worker, not the consumer ( students in this case) and not for the employer or the common good, unless the common good is interpreted as those in the union. . That is why you have a union to help the worker (teachers in this case) not a plus or a negative just a fact.

76) Comment by morgaine67 - 03/12/2012

The judge is probably right about this being unconstitutional. That said, parents have always had choices: 1. Choose to live in a successful school district. 2. Choose to earn enough - by means of a second job if necessary - to pay for private/parochial school tuition. 3. Choose to apply for scholarships or other assistance to cover at least some of the costs. 4. Choose to remain in a failing district but take an active role in the child's education to ensure the child learns. 5. Choose to let the child fail and blame the administration. I, for one, have had enough of people casting themselves as victims. John White isn't my boss either. I just don't see why other parents' refusal to work for their children's future should mean I should have to send those children to private school. Like many of them, I'm a single parent. My older child has graduated college and my younger son is taking the TOPS curriculum in a successful school district. Why can't they take care of their own children, too?

77) Comment by LawyerDan65 - 03/12/2012

First, John WHite is not evil - he just sincerly believes that public schools are not the best way to educate children. I think he would prefer to move to a system where public funds went directly to private schools. Unfortunately the elected officials for whom he works lack the patience to do it within the bounds of the law. Example: the voucher program could have ben funded legally, the same way that the program had been funded for years, but pushing it through the MFP put the entire program at risk.

78) Comment by MrVPP - 03/12/2012

For 30 years I have read, almost daily, articles describing the controversies and decline of EBR schools. I thank God for my ability to send my children to private school from K-12, where they were well-educated, safe, and shielded from the mess that is public education in this parish. My heart goes out to those parents who find they do not have the means to do the same thing.

79) Comment by spqr - 03/12/2012

When objectives are politicized and get in the way of others...? White said that having worked for Piyush Jindal? This is the same John-boy White who was caught sending emails to La. media members asking them to flat-out lie about charter school results during the last Legislative session (not reported by the Advocate)? Is he kidding? John-boy needs to teach today in this state and two yrs experience in NYC doesn't qualify him to say much. A joke.

80) Comment by dday198 - 03/12/2012

According to a recent campaign finance disclosure published by the Louisiana Ethics Administration, on October 24, 2012, Jimmy Faircloth, the Alexandria- based attorney and the former executive counsel to Governor Bobby Jindal, donated $1,000 to Judge Tim Kelley. and it didn't work.

81) Comment by Traveler - 03/12/2012

John White's lame comments are apparently the only response he could come up with. He is trying to play upon the emotions of a relatively small number of parents rather than acknowledging that his voucher plan is a violation of a constitutional mandate. His behavior reminds me of a whining and petulant little child who lost a game "fair and square." That being said, this interesting game will now move to a higher court.

82) Comment by Traveler - 03/12/2012

Cousin Dave, since John White is your boss, one presumes that you will lose your job when he moves on. Therefore, of course, you defend his words and actions, since you want to preserve your fine salary for as long as you can.

83) Comment by Dovescorner - 03/12/2012

Oh I am no in a teachers Union I am just an observer of how Louisiana is being torn up piece by piece and how we are floating under the radar unnoticed by our on citizens. The voted for change and are getting it. By low voter turnout, they are getting more than they bargained for. It's going take years to straighten this out.

84) Comment by Dovescorner - 03/12/2012

@Gary Dave is part of the group that believed Romney was going to win by a landslide so you are wasting your time. He gets his local news here and complain about The Advocate being bias and his National News from FoxNews only and swear what they say is the truth and nothing but the truth. You are right. The Judge was following the Constitution and this case has gone Natonal. Unions are not the enemy, they enforce fairness for workers. They forced decent pay and safe work conditions. If the 1%, were concerned about employee safety and not profit, the poor like some of these folks, wouldn't have to demonize this group. Amazing how people fight against their own interest. Some don't have healthcare on their jobs but they fight attempts to require affordable healthcare and EKL is disappearing. Baton Rouge is so dangerous but they want smaller goverment which will mean less Police. Imagine Less Police and Fewer Firemen in this town. SMH

85) Comment by gary - 03/12/2012

@cousin dave - a traitor? He is just doing what a district judge does, follow the La. Consitution.

86) Comment by Cousin Dave - 03/12/2012

Judge Kelley is a traitor who is worried more bout getting re-elected than doing the right thing. Supt. White is a hero who is fighting in the trenches for our kids. He knows the teacher unions are evil.