Forum split on school's fate

Renaming school part of larger debate

Lee High School may or not be called Lee High when it reopens this fall after three years on hiatus.

“We want to keep the school the same name,” Errol Taylor, a graduate of Lee High and parent of five children in the East Baton Rouge Parish school system, told an audience of about 150 people Thursday night.

The School Board voted in May to reopen Lee High for the 2012-13 school year, which starts Aug. 8, but put off until this month deciding almost everything else connected with the school, including whether it will keep its name. The board plans to meet next on June 21.

The gathering Thursday at Mayfair Middle was a community forum that aimed to help incoming Superintendent Bernard Taylor, who was present but doesn’t start work officially until Monday, decide what to do.

The audience, organized into 12 small groups, came up with a variety of alternative names for the revamped school. Many focused on names tied to south Baton Rouge such as Southdowns, Southside, Highland and College Town. One idea was to name it after a famous Baton Rouge resident.

Residents attending Thursday’s forum also discussed how the school’s attendance zone should be drawn, what kind of specialized or magnet programs it should include and how the new school can engage parents and the community.

“I hate that we’re having to do it so quickly,” said Cheryl Lott, the mother of three children in Baton Rouge public schools and opponent of the recent failed attempt to create a new Southeast Baton Rouge school district. “I wish we have another year to really do it right, but those other schools need relief.”

She was referring to crowding at McKinley, Woodlawn and, to a lesser extent, Tara high schools, all of which added students when Lee High was closed in the summer of 2009 to avert a potential state takeover.

Crowding at Woodlawn High and clashes between former Lee High and Woodlawn students were cited by some supporters of the new breakaway district during debates on the topic.

Errol Taylor, who spoke for one of the 12 small groups, said the new school should have sufficient financial support, one of the things he said ensured the failure of the original Lee High.

“We want to make sure that our school has as many programs as we can think of,” Taylor said.

The groups came up with several possible programs to offer at the school from welding, to performing arts, to offering an International Baccalaureate program.

Superintendent Taylor, however, said some new programs will be more difficult to do than others. He noted that the International Baccalaureate program, an internationally focused high school curriculum similar to Advanced Placement, is not cheap.

The program allows high school students to earn college credits while in high school.

“If we do, we will now have to find funding and partners,” Taylor said.

Charles James, a sixth-grade math teacher at Mayfair Middle and spokesman for one of the small groups, had an idea for a partner. He suggested talking to the new L’Auberge Baton Rouge Casino, scheduled to open later this summer. James said that students at a reopened Lee High could have internships with the new casino.

“That would be great for kids, so they could see for themselves what it’s like in those kinds of service jobs,” James said.

Perhaps the most unusual aspect of the forum were the maps. The school system printed out small color maps show the existing attendance zones for McKinley, Tara and Woodlawn high schools. Using markers, each group drew its own ideal attendance zones on the maps.

Superintendent Taylor said he plans to review the comments, sample maps and ideas generated Thursday carefully as he decides what he’s going to recommend to the School Board next week.


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Comments (35)


1) Comment by vicwill - 15/06/2012

Why not just name the school Southdowns High School? Also, I think that school needs a major renovation before re-opening it.

2) Comment by BRmoderate - 15/06/2012

They shouldn't reopen this school yet....Why put kids in a building that should actually be condemned. EBRPSS should perform a 55.8 Million dollar renovation on it... while under renovation, send the future Lee High students to BR Magnet until their building is finished to alleviate overcrowding at other HS...

3) Comment by tradewinns - 15/06/2012

T1C, thanks for the background. as i am new to the area i know none of the history. however i stand by my argument. it seems lots of EBT students are significantly below their grade level on most or all their subjects. while every neighborhood and school wants to have the good students attend their classes, the truth is the majority of students are average or below (mostly below) so what is TRULY NEEDED IN EBR IS A "BASICS" SCHOOL. no sports, no band, no latin club or any other club. when you are failing basic english. math. history, social studies, etc etc, you need to learn the basics more than you need a "good" time or "good" HS experence. again also, read the comments. the vast majority or worried about the name and not what it can do to improve the substandard education in EBR. name all HS's that want to change their name by a number. then you may proudly say, in 20 years, i graduated from HS 301. when the name is more important than the mission, it says too many of you received your HSD at a school a lot like this one.

4) Comment by Whatchange - 15/06/2012

Well if they are going to rename, don't rename it after anyone, rename it after a community/place or street. While I know it recently house students from BRMHS it still seams to me the school needs a lot of work before it can reopen, it really needs a complete and total remodel.

5) Comment by nimby? - 15/06/2012

twinkie1cat , thinking the same ; 5th to 8th or as you said . need to convince these children of an education early as possible , 10 to 14 are formative ages ....

6) Comment by phil - 15/06/2012

Someone please help my memory. I thought some years ago when some new school taxes were passed and a plan was made, the plan was to eliminate the old Lee High School building. Now apprarently the building is good enough to be a school again. Is my memory incorrect?? Please someone tell the entire history here.

7) Comment by Stephen - 15/06/2012

I would pay attention to what Ms. Holmes and Defley say--two outstanding people.

8) Comment by twinkie1cat - 15/06/2012

I just had a thought. How about a 6-9 school? Here is the rationale. Middle schoolers do not belong with high school students. The A and B rated schools have 9th grade academies designed to give freshmen the support they need for a good start on their high school credits as well as an age appropriate environment. 9th graders do not need to be around older students who date and drive anymore than 6-8th graders do. Varsity level athletic 9th graders could get sports at one of the high schools. AP classes for bright 8th and 9th graders could also be offered and a magnet for gifted students connected to one of the magnet high schools could be included. Art and music programs could be offered that might discover which kids need to be directed to those magnets as well as providing motivation something not boring to average and slow students. Add a good special education department with only career special ed teachers. That way young students get a protected environment as well as the challenges they need.

9) Comment by twinkie1cat - 15/06/2012

Tradewinns, part of the problem with achievement at Lee was that it collected students who were not high achievers, students with a variety of problems that this state does not want to address, like poverty and poor medical care and trying to work while attending school because your family needs your income. The kids who lived in the area were not going to Lee. They were going places like BR Magnet and catholic schools. Most of the American kids were from Gardere. A GED class also met at Lee. Then it also had a large immigrant population who were just learning English and also a large special education department that included autistic, severely mentally handicapped and moderately mentally handicapped in the community-based program. Those last three groups do not take regular standardized tests although some high functioning students with autism might. There were also a lot of mildly handicapped students---mildly retarded and learning disabled plus some emotionally handicapped. Many of them are forced to take the tests but don't do well, although the EBDs and LDs can if they have quality 504 accommodations (In fact I was at an elementary school in New Orleans where ALL the special ed. students passed.) and experienced, multi-degreed, career special ed. teachers who know what they are doing. I did not get a good impression of the special education department at Lee.

10) Comment by zealer99 - 15/06/2012

As I said before and as the comments demonstrate, there is a great deal of emotion attached to the name of this school. If it is renamed or not, one side will win and one side will loose and there will be long ill feelings. I they do not bury this school and its name, the anger will run deep. No amount of money is worth this division.

11) Comment by gumbo33 - 15/06/2012

Well, the mascot WAS already changed to the "Patriots" years ago; which most intelligent people immediately realized was worse than just leaving it the "Rebels" since this would actually validate the Confederate point of view by saving Lee was not in Rebellion, but in fact is now viewed as a Patriot. But, I think the name should hurry up and be changed before that place falls down.

12) Comment by twinkie1cat - 15/06/2012

Lee High had no band. It had no chorus. This made the pep rallies pitiful. That is one of the first things that needs to be fixed, the lack of a music program. Why not do something different and let the students pick the name? Have a contest a month after school starts and let them vote on a name, colors, and a mascot.

13) Comment by twinkie1cat - 15/06/2012

Nimby, that is a good idea. Name it after an educator. Honor a teacher. Whoops! Jindal would not like a teacher to be positively reinforced. Might restore dignity to the profession. So it will have to be slipped in.

14) Comment by twinkie1cat - 15/06/2012

I am not sure that the comment in the article by Charles James had the kind of vision kids in Baton Rouge need. He thought exposure to service jobs at casinos would be valuable for the students. Service jobs are usually low paid and have poor to no benefits. They need to be left for the people who cannot do any better. Baton Rouge students need to strive for either a skilled trade or a profession. Louisiana already has too many people who just have jobs. They need to develop more careers.

15) Comment by cbelse1 - 15/06/2012

What happened to discussions about the grade configuration?? Is it automatically a high school?? At the board meeting when they voted to reopen the school, they said there was no grade configuration attached, meaning it could be a middle school, a combined middle-high school, or a stand-alone high school. Jill Dyason even asked for clarification before they voted, and she was told that there was NO grade configuration attached. The middle schools in this area are just as overcrowded (if not more so) than the high schools, so they should at least consider taking some 8th graders at this site to help with that problem.

16) Comment by twinkie1cat - 15/06/2012

Definitely re-open Lee, but not as an 8-12 because 8th grade girls do not need to be around high school boys. The girls are distracted enough already and don't realize they are too young to be chasing older guys. It is probably too far away to be used to rescue the middle school kids being evicted from Prescott from the RSD, but that would be an option and it would be a good thing to expose them to an upper middle class community so that they can see that there is something to identify with besides North Baton Rouge. Lee has vocational rooms and a large home economics lab so maybe a vocational program would be good. I hope they have already gotten rid of the asbestos. Maybe put a magnet there. It has a big gym, so maybe a music and performing arts program? The area needs a high school and if it is a good one, maybe it would attract some of the middle class kids who live in the area around Lee.

17) Comment by WhoCares - 15/06/2012

Edit. "Band-Aid High School"

18) Comment by WhoCares - 15/06/2012

How is making it a magnet school going to help with the overcrowding at Tara, Woodlawn, & Mckinley and the kids from EBR Lab??? Name it "Baindaid"...because that's exactly what it is. I think that there are people in this country that think that if you put the word Magnet on something and "poof" problem solved.

19) Comment by twinkie1cat - 15/06/2012

When I came to New Orleans in 2004 and lived in Chalmette, I thought I had been time warped back to the 1950s. When I worked at Lee in 2007 I was mortified and embarrassed that a school would still be named after a miltary man, regardless of how famous, who fought to keep Americans enslaved. Then I saw the picture of the general. Then I talked to the home economics teacher whose room was adjacent to mine who said that she lived in Livingston Parish and they were proud of being prejudiced against African-Americans. Then I met another teacher, a black one, who said that the PRAXIS, the test teachers have to take to get their certificate, which she had failed 5 times, was racist. (It's not. She just was not a good test taker.) All of that together plus being mistreated while I was there gave me a bad impression of Lee High. Robert E. Lee should not be honored with a public school named after him in 2012. America still has lessons to learn from the Civil War, lessons about being one united country and not a bunch of states that may occasionally work together and still shows bigotry against some minorities. Lee high needs another name.

20) Comment by mcarter - 15/06/2012

@bourbon-soda, I almost spit out my coffee.

21) Comment by qwerty - 15/06/2012

The school is on Lee Street...If that is an insult...just call it Highland Village School. It is close to the Shopping Center and a few blocks from Highland Rd.

22) Comment by bourbon-soda - 15/06/2012

Schools are very seldom named after people any more, probably because any particular person is now too controversial.

23) Comment by nimby? - 15/06/2012

just a thought ; instead of a warrior or political figure why not name it for an educator ?

24) Comment by zealer99 - 15/06/2012

They need to trash the building and construct a new facility elsewhere under a new name. It is an insult to one group to keep the old name and an insult to another group to change the name. Time to "tear it down and start again". Over time people will see that to use the same building or even a new building at that location will make one side or the other angry on a long term basis and that will limit any success it may have.

25) Comment by nimby? - 15/06/2012

agree w/LawyerDan65 , more need access to gifted programs .....

26) Comment by LawyerDan65 - 15/06/2012

I tried to engage my school board member, the school board member who respresents me and the area of Lee HS, but she did not have time to meet with me. 1. New School - New Name; 2. Move Gifted/Great Scholars from crowded McKinley to the new school; 3.Make the new school a magnet HS, to take care of all those kids on the waiting list at BRHS. THE EBR system could use another A rated school, which is what this school would be housing magnet and gifted/great scholars kids.

27) Comment by Attila - 15/06/2012

Being_Stupid: There you go being stupid again.

28) Comment by Being_Stupid - 15/06/2012

Rename it Tecumseh Sherman High School.

29) Comment by Being_Stupid - 15/06/2012

Robert E. Lee was a Benedict Arnold and Traitor to the United States of America. Rename the school William Tecumseh Sherman High School after a a true Southerner from Baton Rouge who stayed loyal to the Union and fought to preserve it.

30) Comment by misterfalcon - 15/06/2012

Perhaps Katrina or BP HS -- 'cause the education you receive there is a disaster.

31) Comment by DMJ - 15/06/2012

Personally, I hope they name it something else. I don't see how a guy who actively tried to destory the country gets schools named after him.

32) Comment by Get Real - 15/06/2012

already with the race baiting I see bourbon

33) Comment by bourbon-soda - 15/06/2012

They could name it after Spike Lee.

34) Comment by WhoCares - 15/06/2012

What trade wins said.

35) Comment by tradewinns - 15/06/2012

the first area of discussion (or the most important) was the school's name? no wonder it closed once already for failure. it sounds like the type of HS needed is a "basics" HS. teaches nothing but the core subjects and at a level consistent with a HS student's level. it is nice, and sounds wonderful, to offer IB etc., but the area's students are at a much lowel level aren't they?