School revamp debated

Advocate staff photo by RICHARD ALAN HANNON -- Diane Ravitch, left, former assistant U.S. secretary of education, and Chas Roemer, president of the Louisiana Board of Elementary and Secondary Education, shake hands Thursday after speaking opposite one another during the Leaders with Vision discussion of public school change in Baton Rouge. Show caption
Advocate staff photo by RICHARD ALAN HANNON -- Diane Ravitch, left, former assistant U.S. secretary of education, and Chas Roemer, president of the Louisiana Board of Elementary and Secondary Education, shake hands Thursday after speaking opposite one another during the Leaders with Vision discussion of public school change in Baton Rouge.

A former federal education official and the president of Louisiana’s top school board Thursday clashed over vouchers, charter schools and the need for changes in public schools.

Diane Ravitch, who held education posts under former Presidents Bill Clinton and George H. W. Bush, opened an hour-long podium by denouncing vouchers, charter schools and linking teacher evaluations to the growth of student achievement — all new policies here.

“Louisiana is on the wrong track.” Ravitch said. “Louisiana is on the road to dismantling the public school system.”

But Chas Roemer, president of the state Board of Elementary and Secondary Education, said vouchers and charter schools offer families needed options in a public school system where roughly one of three students — about 235,000 — perform below grade level.

“We know what we were doing was not working,” Roemer said of public school operations.

Roemer and Ravitch made their comments during a forum sponsored by Leaders with Vision, which attracted an audience of schools officials, representatives of at least three teacher groups and current and former educators.

Ravitch, a critic of what she calls misguided public school reforms, served as an adviser on national testing standards in the Clinton administration.

She was assistant secretary of education during the elder Bush’s administration but said she later had a change of heart about how to address public school problems.

Roemer has been on BESE for five years and became head of the 11-member panel in January.

Ravitch said countries such as Finland and Japan with the top-performing students in the world do so without vouchers, which allow students to attend private and parochial schools with state aid, and without charter schools.

They are supposed to offer innovative alternatives to traditional public schools.

She said half of the F-rated schools in Florida are charter schools and that the longest-running voucher system in the nation, which is Milwaukee, has failed to produce big gains while public schools have suffered.

Ravitch heaped scorn on plans to link teacher evaluations in part to the growth of student achievement.

“I can’t think of a better term,” she said. “It is junk science.”

Roemer said major problems in the state’s public school system require multiple options for families, including vouchers that are used by nearly 5,000 students.

“Do you want to go into their dining room and tell them they shouldn’t have a choice?” he asked.

Roemer said the state needs to make public schools a popular choice and the way to do that is by requiring them to examine their practices.

“It’s called competition,” he said.

“It’s different for every parent,” Roemer said. “It’s different for every family.”

Louisiana’s expanded voucher law, which became law last year, was struck down Nov. 30 by 19th Judicial District Court Judge Tim Kelley, of Baton Rouge.

An appeal at the state Supreme Court is set for Tuesday.


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Comments (9)


1) Comment by Ohsofedup - 18/03/2013

A quick peek indicates that some of the unclassified salaries seem to proliferate in the Department of Education: • John White, Superintendent: $275,000; • Michael Rounds, Deputy Superintendent: $170,000; • Howard Drake and Gayle Sloan, Liaison Officers: $160,000 each; • Kerry Laster, Executive Officer: $155,000; • David Lefkowith, precise title still a mystery: $146,000; • Kunjan Narechania, Chief of Staff to John White: $145,000; • Gary Jones, Executive Officer: $145,000; • Deirdre Finn, part time PR Director (working from home in Tallahassee, FL.): $144,000; • James P. Wilson, Director (of what?): $142,000; • Melissa Stilley, Liaison Officer: $135,000; • Elizabeth Scioneaux, Deputy Superintendent: $132,800; • Debra Schum, Executive Officer: $132,000; • Hannah Dietsch, Assistant Superintendent (someone please explain the difference between an assistant superintendent and a deputy superintendent.): $130,000; • Nicholas Bolt, Deputy Chief of Staff (as opposed to assistant chief of staff): $105,000. Perhaps you may have noticed in that lengthy laundry list of high-paying position, there was not a single name followed by the title “Instructor” or any other title that would indicate classroom experience. But even with all the featherbedding at DOE, there’s one appointment in particular in the Division of Administration (DOA) that stands out as the poster child for Jindal cronyism.

2) Comment by Ohsofedup - 17/03/2013

Diane Ravitch is so right about her comments about Louisiana heading in the wrong direction and the destruction of Public Education. Roemer is in way over his head, as is John White. Both really have no experience and are the puppets of Jindal. If they don't do as the "Dictator" said they too will be looking for another job. Both of them will be looking anyway when Jindal's term is up(thank Goodness) but it will take years to undo their poor decisions and of course unconstitutional ones that are costing the taxpayers not only the money they are playing with, but the money to defend their wreck-lace decisions. John White and BESE , and Jindal are very bad for Louisiana. The majority of failing schools are black and they want to take these students and put them in with the schools that have high scores and all this does is bring down the A,B scores at these schools. It's not what going on in the classroom with these children, it's what is and is not going on in their homes. Teachers can't be mothers, fathers,the parents, spend all their time disciplining and so many other items that they have to deal with besides trying to teach. This is the one thing that John White denies is the problem because he is so inexperienced, and most of all dishonest. He is so arrogant and does not listen to anyone except Jindal(he has to) that he needs to be removed NOW,before he depletes the funding for the Public Schools we now have and ruins the Private Schools by baiting them with taxpayers money to take on these poor performing students. The Charter Schools are a complete failure and their scores are not being released or made public because they have failed all over this Country and these schools are not for the children, they are Corporation run schools that are in it for the money. Our hard earned taxpayers money that is intended to be used in the Public Schools not Corporation, huge profit schools. Because of John White so many great teachers and admistrators are leaving this system this year and next there will be a huge shortage of "Qualified" and "Certified" teachers that we won't have enough teachers at all. All do to this one man! Write your State legislators, and BESE and Jindal and let your true feelings be known. Jindal's national reputation is so tarnished now he won't stand a chance in you know what, in getting any higher office than what he has now. If he can destroy his own state he darn sure can't run this Country. He has not been good for Louisiana and certainly has not been a leader in reform. Less than 3 years for both Jindal and White!!

3) Comment by BthechangeUwant2see - 16/03/2013

Excellent photo captured Mr. Hannon! A sight of subtleties to compare and contrast. Notice the undeniable commanding presence and self assuredness of Diane Ravitch. Looks like she caught him as he was turning tail, making a quick exit; perhaps to the nearest restroom facility. Mr. Roemer looks a bit uncomfortable: the clenched jaw and neck muscles, hair out of place from sweat on the forehead, the lack of eye contact... Chas baby, don't cha know that the first rule in debate 101 (whether you are involved in a negotiation, meeting across the desk or podium from one another, or even just being in the same room with your opponent and staring at them from across the room) is the ability to look your opponent in the eye and make eye contact with some authority? Gotta beef up on those nonverbal body language skills for next time as Ms. Ravitch clearly won this round. In the meantime, learn from the big dogs and consider joining the newly organized NPE association in support of educators and preserving public schools. Lead on Diane, lead on! There IS strength in numbers, words DO matter, and we must NOT feel forced to accept the latest status quo or sanctions that are affecting our careers, the children, and schools that we love. The collective voice of educators everywhere; particularly a large sampling from South Louisiana are on board and right behind you singing AMEN all the way! A sincere and appreciative THANK YOU to you, Ms. Ravitch.

4) Comment by teacherguy - 16/03/2013

I think if you are going to pass legislation, or serve on an education board...you kind of need to have some actual teaching experience. I guess I'm naive...

5) Comment by spqr - 16/03/2013

Has anyone seen Chas Roemer at a school? Anyone? Anyone ever seen this career politician substitute teach in the inner city?

6) Comment by Noel Hammatt - 16/03/2013

It was very apparent from comments in the room that Chas Roemer was using outdated and false numbers that have been "outed" by researchers within the state over the last few years. Apparently there is no shame in the Allice in Wonderland world of the deformers (I am going to start using this term for those who self-proclaim themselves to be "reforrmers") in using untruths and numbers that have already been debunked on numerous occasions. I will give Chas Roemer one credit here. When he said that all of the schools taken over by the Recovery School District were failing when they were taken over and I called his on it, he at least had enough shame to correct himself and admit that many New Orleans schools were NOT FAILING when the state took them over. Diane Ravitch had the facts, the figures, and the truth. Thank you Diane!

7) Comment by Traveler - 15/03/2013

This important article stayed on the "front page" of the online edition for only a brief time before it was moved to the "back pages." Was that because Chas Roemer complained that it cast him in the role of a debater who was clearly out of his league? He's no competition for Diane Ravitch, who has the credentials, the experience, and the national name recognition to outshine Roemer.

8) Comment by teacherguy - 14/03/2013

If you want competition, then grade charters/voucher schools receiving public tax dollars WITH THE SAME MEASURING STICK you grade public schools with. Make them test with public schools, measure the absentee/drop out rates, measure the "teacher quality", measure the discipline ratings, etc....give us TRUE comparisons Roemer...otherwise you are shifting dollars at the expense of the quality of student education. Your assumption is that a charter/voucher must be better if the local public school is rated D or F...without confirming the charter/voucher is ACTUALLY better. Or here is a thought! Remove the grades from the public schools and let the parents decide with their feet....LIKE YOU WISH THEM TO DO WITH THE CHARTERS/PRIVATES over time. Give us the SAME rules to play by...only THEN will your "dream" of competition work! Otherwise, you are simply greasing the backs of those that gave the money to get you elected....

9) Comment by jwarren - 14/03/2013

I am convinced Roemer has no idea at all that many of the policies of Jindal's education department handcuff public schools. Unchain the public schools, Mr. Roemer. Demand excellence of them while freeing them of the onerous restrictions imposed by the Jindal administration. If you want competition, then allow it. What Jindal is proposing is not competition. It is one set of rules for charters, and another set for regular public schools. One example - allow public schools to support teachers in dealing with discipline problems rather than hindering attempts to provide students safe, orderly classrooms. Stop mouthing the Jindal policy line and find out the truth.