Education website criticized

A screen grab shows the Louisiana Department of Education's new website, http://www.LouisianaBelieves.com. Show caption
A screen grab shows the Louisiana Department of Education's new website, http://www.LouisianaBelieves.com.

The state Department of Education’s new website sparked criticism Tuesday from a wide range of groups that rarely agree on public school issues.

The revamped version, which was touted as a way to aid parents and teachers, came under fire mostly for what critics called a lack of easily obtainable and current data on teachers, enrollment, demographics and other issues.

“A lot of people are complaining that it is difficult to find the data,” said Brigitte Nieland, who tracks public school issues for the Louisiana Association of Business and Industry, which often backs public education overhaul initiatives.

Other critics included officials of the Council for a Better Louisiana, the East Baton Rouge Parish school system and the Cowen Institute for Public Education Initiatives at Tulane University.

Lottie Beebe, a member of the state Board of Elementary and Secondary Education, said she conveyed her concerns to state Superintendent of Education John White, who she has clashed with frequently.

“For the record, I did personally tell superintendent White that I was extremely disappointed in the juvenile appearance of the LDOE website,” Beebe said in an email response to questions.

White, who has been on the job for just over one year, said the overhaul was a response to complaints from parents and teachers about problems with the previous version, and that the changes have been well-received by both groups.

“We cleaned up a mess,” White said.

“Anytime you clean up a mess you throw things away,” White said. “If there are things that people don’t see that are valuable they should just tell us and we will put it back up there.”

White added, “We don’t run the website for special interest groups. We run it for parents and teachers.”

The issue is pertinent because, unlike some websites in state government, the department’s has a huge audience.

About 712,000 public school students attend the state’s roughly 1,300 schools.

Another 55,000 or so teach the classes.

The new website, which was announced on Jan. 22, gets 5,767 hits per day, said Barry Landry, a spokesman for the department. Landry said the redesign was done in-house and required no additional costs.

The new website features categories on academics, teaching, assessment, accountability, funding, early childhood education, schools and courses.

“I do wish they would make it a little more user friendly,” said Stephanie Desselle, who follows public school issues for the Council for a Better Louisiana, which often backs public school overhaul initiatives pushed by White.

“It seems like they need to put more information on it,” Desselle said. “One of the things is finding up-to-date information.”

Mary Lee Murphy, director of development and communications for the Cowen Institute, said some school data is no longer available on the new website, including reports on enrollment, demographics, teacher experience/education levels, pay, charter school budgets, district revenues, expenditures and college enrollment.

The Cowen Institute calls itself a think tank that offers solutions to public school problems in New Orleans and elsewhere.

Lizabeth Frischhertz, chief officer for accountability, assessment and evaluation for the East Baton Rouge Parish school system, said the overhaul has caused problems for her district’s website, which includes links to the state department on test policies and other issues.

“To find current data is really a struggle,” Frischhertz said.

However, she said department officials have been responsive to requests to restore old information, including interactive practice tests.

Landry, the education department spokesman, released a prepared statement by Covington High School teacher Richard Lynch, who praised the new website.

“It is organized into categories that make sense, and most information I need I can access within a few clicks,” Lynch said in his statement.

Steve Monaghan, president of the Louisiana Federation of Teachers and a frequent White critic, said the new website appears to reflect a more ideologically driven state department of education, including the idea that school choice is preferable to traditional public education.

Even the use of the term “Louisiana Believes” on the website — White’s monicker for a wide range of public school improvement goals — represents a bothersome, unilateral change, Monaghan said.

The website’s URL has been changed to http://www.louisiana
believes.com.


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1) Comment by conglo - 06/02/2013

Neville High parents want the state to make the school a Charter school. In 2011 the School Grade was a B & in 2012 the School Grade was an A. Why do they want the school to be a Charter? Why not make all public schools that do well & have a B or A a Charter school, & then White can say how great Charter schools are. But wait, do not find out how poorly the RSD has been doing, lets hide that information. Jim Garvey's school Jefferson Community school was not even on the 2012 School Grades. When questioned, the answer was I guess someone forgot to add it.

2) Comment by LAteacher - 06/02/2013

Even before the website change, less data was being released. The 2012 iLEAP, LEAP and EOC results were reported with percentages only this year. For the first time ever, they did not report the actual numbers of students at each achievement level. This is important because in the new School Letter Grade System, Bonus Points are going to be given. They will be calculated based on students who are non-proficient who make certain gains. The points will be calculated twice - once based on the percentage that makes the improvement, and a second time based on the actual number of students who make the improvement. The higher number then is taken. If a school has more than 100 non-proficient students, it gets a bigger boost. It is designed to favor large, failing schools and give them more bonus points than higher performing schools. Thus, it is rigged to close an achievement gap. Hmm.. Wonder what district (that Supt. White holds as a model for the state) might have many schools with high numbers of non-proficient schools whose school grades will flourish because of this? Can't tell from the data any more...

3) Comment by Tea_Slayer - 06/02/2013

"Who is this idiot?" to answer your question, jeff is an assoc professor of poly sci at LSU-S (and Jindal boot-licker). He sometimes drops by to sprinkle his turds of wisdom. He never actually engages in the discussion, only berates us for our supposed ignorance, then leaves, never to return to that comment section for fear of the factual responses to his outrageous claims.

4) Comment by conglo - 06/02/2013

Sorry, The Advocate did not publish the Excel Spread sheets from the old LA DOE web site. My friend has copies of the School Grades on Excel Spread sheets

5) Comment by conglo - 06/02/2013

Jeffsadow is saying that This is not so, it's just that you have to do a search to find this (they are called the District Composite Reports). And then he said there is not a direct link because it is on http://www.laeducationresults.net (different web site) And then he proceeds to blast those who say it is not on the Believes web site. And then tells the DOE how to correct it. I have looked on the new DOE web site and can not find the School Grades that were on the old web site on Excel spread sheets. Schools Grades were collected & in a report style & were easier to find. Now it seems that one has to look up every school individually. Looks like the DOE has removed the Excel spread sheets of all the combined School Grades 2010-2011 and 2011-2012 on the their web site as attached above. What they left is more difficult to check on the school grades. . Who is this idiot?

6) Comment by Noel Hammatt - 06/02/2013

Ah, thanks @jeffsadow, we should have known. Just because all of the different education interest groups, those that John White apparently calls "special interest groups" including school systems, college researchers, think-tanks, parent groups, industry and reform advocates and professional researchers seem to think the data has been dumped, Jeff Sadow comes to the rescue of White and Jindal. This guy is good! Of course, were he actually a researcher, and had he any knowledge of the work being done to either support or challenge the claims of success being made by the reformers, he might actually also realize that the data to which he points us is not useful in actually doing any of the very real and necessary research to find the truth. Were he actually a researcher, he might note the failure of the data presented in the website he points to (the data is derived from the very tables and Excel spreadsheets the state has pulled from public access) to be in a format or in the complexity that can be used to examine educational issues in an intellectually honest way. Again, there is no doubt that these across-the-board complaints about the new site and the loss of historical data, when added to the sudden increase in the lawsuits directed at the Department of Education for their failure to allow for open and honest examination of their data, provides some credence to those of us who have suggested, and in research supported, that claims of the department of the success of their efforts is threatened by the very data being withheld. When the La Department of Education is willing to bear the criticisms of even their own loyal cheerleaders (with the obvious exception of Jeff Sadow, I mean) it must mean that open and intellectually honest releases of data would be so dangerous to their agenda that it is worth bearing this cost. Finally, what teachers do you know are actually out there putting together "prepared statements" about how much they like the site. Some propagandinistas are working overtime trying to earn their ridiculously high salaries! On a parting note, it will be interesting to see if Louisiana Public Broadcasting actually releases a damning set of analyses concerning recent claims. These interviews have been twice-removed and rescheduled, and some have pondered the question of whether LPB, which has applications approved to teach courses under "Course Choice" is unwilling to honestly allow criticism of the education policies of those in power. The 8th... will tell.Will truth prevail? Finally, John White says that anyone asking for data to be replaced need only ask. Great. please return all Excel Spreadsheet data available prior to your arrival, along with all updates, to be ready accessed without the cute (but false) FERPA-claimed destruction of its usefulness. Thank you.

7) Comment by 1ryben - 06/02/2013

(Sorry 'bout the triple post.)

8) Comment by 1ryben - 06/02/2013

'"school data is no longer available on the new website, including reports on enrollment, demographics, teacher experience/education levels, pay, charter school budgets, district revenues, expenditures and college enrollment." This is not so" Then jeffshadow goes on to contradict his own statemnt by telling us to look to other websites to find the information. Sorry Jeff, the above quote is true. Maybe you should pay more attention to what it said. You see, where is said that the data is not on the new website? see it? By NEW WEBSITE they are referencing the new loouisianabelieves url. If you have to go to a different url, it's not the same website. they never mention or allude to if they are looking for new data or archival data, but I'll go out on a limb and say that this group of highly educated people were looking for something and didn't find it. So therefore, I'll hypothesize that they were looking for current data. I guess on one hand, you are correct that it is still on the internet, but it is not on the LDOE website that is now louisianabelieves website. Why move the stuff around, rename it, and not include links or even a mention. They send out press releases for all manner of propaganda so why not inform us of these changes. It's a shell game, plain and simple. If they wanted me to find the ball, they'd use transparent cups.

9) Comment by 1ryben - 06/02/2013

'"school data is no longer available on the new website, including reports on enrollment, demographics, teacher experience/education levels, pay, charter school budgets, district revenues, expenditures and college enrollment." This is not so" Then jeffshadow goes on to contradict his own statemnt by telling us to look to other websites to find the information. Sorry Jeff, the above quote is true. Maybe you should pay more attention to what it said. You see, where is said that the data is not on the new website? see it? By NEW WEBSITE they are referencing the new loouisianabelieves url. If you have to go to a different url, it's not the same website. they never mention or allude to if they are looking for new data or archival data, but I'll go out on a limb and say that this group of highly educated people were looking for something and didn't find it. So therefore, I'll hypothesize that they were looking for current data. I guess on one hand, you are correct that it is still on the internet, but it is not on the LDOE website that is now louisianabelieves website. Why move the stuff around, rename it, and not include links or even a mention. They send out press releases for all manner of propaganda so why not inform us of these changes. It's a shell game, plain and simple. If they wanted me to find the ball, they'd use transparent cups.

10) Comment by 1ryben - 06/02/2013

'"school data is no longer available on the new website, including reports on enrollment, demographics, teacher experience/education levels, pay, charter school budgets, district revenues, expenditures and college enrollment." This is not so" Then jeffshadow goes on to contradict his own statemnt by telling us to look to other websites to find the information. Sorry Jeff, the above quote is true. Maybe you should pay more attention to what it said. You see, where is said that the data is not on the new website? see it? By NEW WEBSITE they are referencing the new loouisianabelieves url. If you have to go to a different url, it's not the same website. they never mention or allude to if they are looking for new data or archival data, but I'll go out on a limb and say that this group of highly educated people were looking for something and didn't find it. So therefore, I'll hypothesize that they were looking for current data. I guess on one hand, you are correct that it is still on the internet, but it is not on the LDOE website that is now louisianabelieves website. Why move the stuff around, rename it, and not include links or even a mention. They send out press releases for all manner of propaganda so why not inform us of these changes. It's a shell game, plain and simple. If they wanted me to find the ball, they'd use transparent cups.

11) Comment by 1ryben - 06/02/2013

Council for a Better Louisiana, the East Baton Rouge Parish school system and the Cowen Institute for Public Education Initiatives at Tulane University, Louisiana Association of Business and Industry. All of them have issues with finding data. I guess they're too dumb and lazy too right Jeff?

12) Comment by jeffsadow - 06/02/2013

"school data is no longer available on the new website, including reports on enrollment, demographics, teacher experience/education levels, pay, charter school budgets, district revenues, expenditures and college enrollment." This is not so, it's just that you have to do a search to find this (they are called the District Composite Reports). I was preparing a piece for one of my columns in another publication and stumbled across the redesign. Yes, if you are a parent or student, it does seem easier, but there isn't a direct link to the data because the latest stuff is housed now at http://www.laeducationresults.net while archived stuff is generally at http://www.louisianabelieves.com/data. That means the latest DCR appears on the dedicated data site and it does not appear in the PDF format that the previous ones do, nor then is it linked to the new site. All DOE has to do it put another tab on the new site linking to data, and there's no more problem. Of course, it seems that many other commenters here lacked the skill or curiosity to check what took me all of two minutes to figure out, and on this subject preferred instead to launch ideological rants that bear little resemblance to the real world.

13) Comment by 1ryben - 06/02/2013

It is telling that these groups that are complaing are groups that are usually alligned pretty closely with these reform measures. Take note that their largest gripe is not with the fact that the website was actually redesigned but that important, public information is now being hidden or removed. Information that other states make easily available. Information that thay are legally required to make available. Sure, you can contact their offices, wait the two days to possibly get the info through the FOIA but they'll wait you out. The'll withold the information betting that you do not have the time, money, or patience to sue them. Their arrogance and blatent disregard of the law is appaling. They do not care about the people of Louisiana or our children. What are they hiding? Why the constant spin and propaganda. Louisiana Believes....not for long sir...not for long.

14) Comment by 1ryben - 06/02/2013

It is telling that these groups that are complaing are groups that are usually alligned pretty closely with these reform measures. Take note that their largest gripe is not with the fact that the website was actually redesigned but that important, public information is now being hidden or removed. Information that other states make easily available. Information that thay are legally required to make available. Sure, you can contact their offices, wait the two days to possibly get the info through the FOIA but they'll wait you out. The'll withold the information betting that you do not have the time, money, or patience to sue them. Their arrogance and blatent disregard of the law is appaling. They do not care about the people of Louisiana or our children. What are they hiding? Why the constant spin and propaganda. Louisiana Believes....not for long sir...not for long.

15) Comment by 1ryben - 06/02/2013

It is telling that these groups that are complaing are groups that are usually alligned pretty closely with these reform measures. Take note that their largest gripe is not with the fact that the website was actually redesigned but that important, public information is now being hidden or removed. Information that other states make easily available. Information that thay are legally required to make available. Sure, you can contact their offices, wait the two days to possibly get the info through the FOIA but they'll wait you out. The'll withold the information betting that you do not have the time, money, or patience to sue them. Their arrogance and blatent disregard of the law is appaling. They do not care about the people of Louisiana or our children. What are they hiding? Why the constant spin and propaganda. Louisiana Believes....not for long sir...not for long.

16) Comment by 1ryben - 06/02/2013

By transparent they meant we cant see the information. Transparency means don't look behind the curtain?

17) Comment by crazycajun - 06/02/2013

Ya'll wanted and voted for good transparent government. How's it working out?

18) Comment by swinham - 06/02/2013

"...some school data is no longer available on the new website, including reports on enrollment, demographics, teacher experience/education levels, pay, charter school budgets, district revenues, expenditures and college enrollment." If knowledge is power, what does this say? The lens through which we citizens are allowed to view state government has developed a cataract that is progressively destroying the promised transparency.

19) Comment by teacherguy - 05/02/2013

I have a student teacher that asked me, not that I will have many more student teachers in the future (as I will feel the need to protect my VAM, removing all inconsistent variables from my instruction time as I can)...anyways...he wanted to know where he could get a look at the Comprehensive Curriculum and LEAP Assessment Guides (still valid in social studies until Common Core replaces them) and I said...no problem...go to the LDoE website and pull it up! Um...he said he couldn't locate them on the website. It was then I figured he was just not able to find the links that would point a LA teacher to a standard framework for what a teacher should teach...and found that I couldn't locate this information either. Gotta love reform that even blinds the teachers on what they should teach!!!! :)

20) Comment by jwarren - 05/02/2013

How typical for Mr. White. The new site is getting criticism from all sides, and all he can say is that it is just wonderful. And then the state finds some teacher to agree to say he loves the site, in "a prepared statement." This reads almost like something from the old USSR. Do Jindal and White realize just how foolish this makes them look? Or do they care? I've had several discussions with teachers and administrators who find the new site decidedly unfriendly. There is information that teachers use(d) regularly that is no longer easily available, if it is there at all. And teachers are trying to figure all this out on their own. But then why would Mr. White want to make things easier for teachers? That is certainly not his intent.

21) Comment by Iamhopeful2 - 05/02/2013

If the information is not on the website, file a FOIA (public information request). If they don't give you the information in person when you visit the office upon request or do not send you the information within the prescribed 72 hours, SUE THEM! I plan to do it as soon as I resolve my lawsuit for the Open Meetings Law which was filed last week. They have not responded to numerous FOIAs that I have filed. We all have to hold them accountable.

22) Comment by Warp7 - 05/02/2013

Typical reaction from Jindal's staff. Arrogance supreme!

23) Comment by Noel Hammatt - 05/02/2013

Surely most of those who are living and breathing in Louisiana have by now figured out that the only way the so-called "reformers" in Louisiana can claim that their reforms are working is to hide the data, and control the flow of information. We have seen time and time again that the minute we have shown data that illuminated the lies of the reformers that the very data we used disappeared off the LDOE website. Even before the wholesale removal of years of data that was researchable, the head of the Department's IT department had either on her own, or under instruction from those pulling the strings, had worked to remove any accurate information from the reach of researchers, by claiming they somehow, the data that was heretofore available, and is STILL available in most other states, was somehow in violation of the federal Family Educational Rights and Privacy Act or FERPA. Such is not the case, BUT, it was useful to claim this in order to make the data bases next to impossible for researchers to use. This is such an obvious case of hiding data that I am surprised it took this long for people to act. Even many of the so- called "reformers" mentioned in the story above were totally surprised by this new move! Of course, we know that some of the information was readily flowing to these "friendly" sources from the speed at which they released reports and press releases, often within a hour or so of the official release of the LaDOE press conferences. This is one more nail in the coffin of truth when it comes to schooling in Louisiana. Before long, the only truth will come from an innocent child in school who quietly points out that the Emperor has no clothes. All of the spinning of the cloth of deceit by highly paid propagandists and the control of access to data has somehow made the media cringe, perhaps worried that they won't get ANY stories, since they appear to be unwilling or unable to find their backbones. They don't want to announce that hey have been fooled for so long. A sad state of affairs, and one I have warned of for some time now.

24) Comment by crazycajun - 05/02/2013

I would have been surprised if it did work right, This has been L'il booby and his gang's M O since day one. Make it up on the go. By the way they're not going to let you see any information that's going to make them look bad. Once booby's gone you'll see everything was a facade with little to substantiate it. That's all that good government ya'll voted for and didn't get.

25) Comment by Tea_Slayer - 05/02/2013

I tried using the site yesterday for a post I was preparing on another article and could not find any info about graduation rates, etc. There is no historical data to be found.

26) Comment by Concerned_Parent - 05/02/2013

As a parent who attempted to use the new site just this week, I agree with all of these comments. My first impression was "did a 5th grader design this?" And then I went through a maze of links trying to get information. I stated to send them an e-mail about it, but thought maybe it was just me. Now I see it's not.