Juvenile offenders studied

Advocate staff photo by BILL FEIG -- Debra DePrato, director at the Institute for Public Health and Justice at the LSU Health Sciences Center, released Wednesday, the findings of a wide-ranging report, called “Sustaining Juvenile Justice System Reform,” that assesses the programs and the juvenile justice system in Louisiana and made recommendations for improvements over the next five years. Show caption
Advocate staff photo by BILL FEIG -- Debra DePrato, director at the Institute for Public Health and Justice at the LSU Health Sciences Center, released Wednesday, the findings of a wide-ranging report, called “Sustaining Juvenile Justice System Reform,” that assesses the programs and the juvenile justice system in Louisiana and made recommendations for improvements over the next five years.

Report links mental health issues, jail in Louisiana

Louisiana jails a higher percentage of youthful inmates with mental health needs than most other states, according to a study released Thursday.

“We don’t do a very good job of keeping our mentally ill kids out of the juvenile justice system,” Debra DePrato, director at the Institute for Public Health and Justice at the LSU Health Sciences Center New Orleans, told a conference looking at how juveniles who commit crimes are handled in Louisiana.

“In fact, as many of you know, we sometimes send them there (courts) on purpose, hoping that they’ll be ordered into services and that’s not really a very good reason,” DePrato said.

East Baton Rouge Parish Juvenile Court Judge Kathleen Richey agreed, saying after the presentation: “Often the first formal evaluation is the result of a court order.”

Richey was among the roughly 130 juvenile justice professionals attending workshops and seminars surrounding the unveiling of the analysis from which legislators will base their bills in upcoming legislative sessions.

The findings are part of a wide-ranging report, called “Sustaining Juvenile Justice System Reform,” that assesses the various programs and procedures across the state and recommends improvements. The study was performed for the state Juvenile Justice Implementation Commission and was ordered by the Louisiana Legislature in June 2011.

The numbers showed that 74 percent of the youngsters incarcerated in Louisiana’s detention and secure care facilities have some kind of diagnosable mental health malady, which is a rate that is higher than other states, according to the report. The statistics show that while the total numbers are less than in states like Texas and Washington, there is a higher percentage of incarcerated youth in Louisiana in each of several mental health disorder categories.

“Many of these youth have disorders that are considered severe and debilitating – 37 percent — and/or have multiple mental health disorders — 62 percent,” according to the report.

Youth with mental health issues linked to bad behavior can be treated in the community far more successfully and at less cost than sending the offenders to juvenile detention facilities, said Gail Grover, director of the Department of Juvenile Services for East Baton Rouge Parish.

Typical services provided to a youth diagnosed with mental health problems, include traditional focused individual, group or family therapy; medications and medication management services, said Grover, who also attended the presentation. Offenders can receive those services outside prison and avoid being incarcerated, she said.

Youngsters whose offenses are relatively minor should not be incarcerated with dangerous, often predatory offenders, she said. “The likelihood that kid would return to the criminal justice system is much higher. The outcomes are not good, that’s what the statistics show,” Grover said.

State Sen. Sharon Broome, a sponsor of the legislation ordering the analysis, said Louisiana has made a lot of strides from the days when all juvenile offenders were sent to what basically amounts to adult-like prisons, regardless of the severity of their crime. Populations in the four state “secure custody” facilities have decreased by 72 percent since 2000, the study found.

Juvenile justice professionals are trying to find the right mix of programs that confine violent offenders, but use lower costing treatment that diverts less dangerous youngsters from a cycle that leads to a lifetime of crime, she said. “But, we’re still evolving as it relates to the therapeutic model,” said Broome, D-Baton Rouge, adding that she needed to study the report before considering the legislation she would pursue.

“We needed to dig down and see where we are,” LSU’s DePrato said, adding that the analysis found that jurisdictions here and there had good programs. “We have pockets of reform but we need to spread that to the whole state.”

Other participants raised the fear that funding would be cut.

David W. Burton, an assistant district attorney in Beauregard Parish, said that specific juvenile justice programs are easy targets during a time when state government cuts budgets.

“This system that we have worked so long and hard to develop,” Burton said, “can fall apart if we allow those who will make these decisions to take different legs of the system away from us.”

Frank Neuner, of the Louisiana Indigent Defenders Board, agreed.

“This is an area of the criminal justice system where a little funding can go a long way,” said Neuner, of Lafayette. “If we invest a little money in the juvenile justice system, it’ll save a lot money in the long run.”


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1) Comment by Whatnow - 01/02/2013

nimby?, my nephew, who served in the military, worked at one of these juvenile boot camps and turned so many kids around. I'm all for it. It's either straighten up or jail for these kids. I think parents would rather the boot camps. I wonder why judges don't think of this instead of slaps on the wrists. It's a better alternative and shouldn't cost anymore than a juvenile jail. I'm not sure, but there used to be one that took over the building when Hanson's closed. I'm not sure if it's still utilized in that way, but it would be a great idea for these young criminals. Heck, when I was a kid, my home, by today's liberal standards, would be a bad environment with all the spankings and work punishments on our farm, that Dad and Mom used to dole out. But, it kept us straight and taught us responsibility for our actions and we didn't blame it on anyone else or our lack of government money.

2) Comment by nimby? - 01/02/2013

several thoughts . 1) kumbaya , time out and slap on the wrist ain't working . mandatory juvenile boot camp , retired drill sergeants . 2) if you cannot afford children , not going to take care of them , don't have them . 3) if there was enough money to fund the studies all of us could be diagnosed with some form of mental illness ...

3) Comment by bourbon-soda - 01/02/2013

Authority over reproduction follows responsibility for the consequences. It may take a while, but it will get there.

4) Comment by Attila - 01/02/2013

So Squiggly, applying your logic the vast majority of those juvies.incarcerated for crimes are "mentally ill" we should just do away with juvie detention and put them all into treatment instead? Twinkie your asininity just continues to grow. Instead defending the people who are the real villains perhaps you should just call a spade a spade and put the blame where it belongs...on the parents of these kids. Perhaps involuntary sterilization of those who continually produce children, both father and mother would help solve the problem...No?? I realize that is a radical solution that will never happen, BUT throwing more money at education will not work either. We have thrown exponentially more money at public education in the last 50 years and what do we have to show for it? The public school system in EBR has deteriorated to the point that all who can afford it send their kids to private schools, and those that can't move out of town..who can blame them. Thugs, muggings, assaults, and intimidation are commonplace in EBR public schools..you know it, and so does everyone else. How about being honest for a change, and placing responsibility where it should be. It is not the fault of the state or the productive citizens that the majority of the black kids in this state wind up at the bottom...look inward, stop lying to yourselves and proffer some real solutions. Solutions that do not ask the producers of this state to pony up more of their hard earned money to throw at a problem not or their making.

5) Comment by CountryBoysCanSurvive - 01/02/2013

2twinkie1cat The answer to your question, is that I raised my own kids, without public assistance.

6) Comment by Whatnow - 01/02/2013

twinkie1cat, the minute a child gets home from school, unless there is good parenting, everything they see in school as good behavior, goes out of the window. I agree that we have to help the children who have deviant drug or alcoholic parents because it's not the child's fault, but most of our juvenile offenders are just punks out on the street with no parental care. Punish the parents along with the punks who do crimes and maybe they will keep their kids in line. I'm so tired of hearing that they are criminals because of no father figure and a bad environment. And that is not our responsibility. It is the responsibility of the people in a bad environment. But they don't want to improve their lot, because it's too easy to stay in a place that they are taken care of. They demand to be taken care of. Someone have got to break the cycle of the kind of life.

7) Comment by twinkie1cat - 01/02/2013

mh: You have a good point. Parents need to discipline their children from an early age and teach them how to behave and what is right and wrong. If you spank at 4 he probably won't need one at 12. Don't make excuses for a child who has retardation or a mental illness or even autism. Work with them and teach them how to behave appropriately. This takes consistency and a lot of work and if a child has problems, more work. Some have to be taught how to behave in each possible situation. You have to talk to a child about expectations and head off problems whenever possible. You also need to set a good example yourself. If you don't want your daughter to have sex with a bunch of different men, don't do it yourself. If you don't want them to drink or use drugs, don't use them. And boys who see their fathers abuse their mothers often grow up to abuse their wives and girlfriends and the girls who see it marry abusive men. The final thing is TAKE YOUR KIDS TO SUNDAY SCHOOL AND CHURCH. Read Bible stories to them. Read other stories to them and be concerned about their manners and their behavior. Teach them to respect themselves and others. That way they are less likely to get in trouble even if they have mental health or retardation issues.

8) Comment by Whatnow - 01/02/2013

Youth with mental health issues linked to bad behavior? Maybe they need an attitude adjustment like we used to get when we were kids. Teaching your children right from wrong and doing the right thing is free if you try it. Too many parents just want to think that their children can do no wrong or they just don't care and want someone else (schools) to do their parenting for them. So many of these social workers want to blame the bad environment or lack of a father figure. So, we all have to pay taxes for their lot in life generation after generation. Maybe if some of these programs were curtailed, people would think twice about improving their environment and lot in life. Our liberal government makes it so easy to stay in a bad environment and to keep having babies so that they get more money and programs or to just not work because the government will give them enough not to work or go to school. They don't even take advantage of the free schooling that will improve their lot in life. Our politicians have to keep coming up with taxpayer funded programs to keep their voting block happy and voting the right way. Programs that started off as helping those who CANNOT help themselves has mushroomed into a monster free for all that the government cannot control. Just like every program that the government starts, they get out of control. Obamacare will be in the same mess sooner or later.

9) Comment by Duckyluve - 01/02/2013

@sqiggly...thanks for helping prove my point. The number of juveniles being locked up since 2000 has gone down and the juvenile crime rate has gone way up since 2000. Only a moron would not understand it. @CBCS.... I totally agree

10) Comment by twinkie1cat - 01/02/2013

Research it, Foldgers. Among the mental illnesses and developmental disabilities common in children that can cause behavior problems are Fetal Alcohol Spectrum Disorder (where mama drank while pregnant----not just poor mamas either) Crack Baby Disorder (similar cause and they can have both), High functioning autism and Aspergers, schizophrenia, and the unbiquitous ADD/ADHD----also not a respecter of income or race. There is no telling yet what the Crystal meth phase is going to do to kids' brains. Then there are milder conditions that are related to these like Oppositional/Defiant disorder and Schizo-Affective Disorder. Mild Mental Retardation also affects judgement and behavior although slow children can be trained much more easily than mentally ill ones in how to behave appropriately. None of these conditions are afflictions of only the poor or those on welfare. About 20 years ago a group of educators from Florida warned us at a conference at Georgia State University about how the first crack babies were entering kindergarten and would need a lot of help because they were disruptive and had learning disabilities of the type that did not show up until they got into school............ Poor judgment is part of immaturity as scientists have found that the judgment areas of the human brain are not fully developed until the age of 25----especially in males. I don't think a person should be punished for the rest of his or her life for something done at a young age. While the brain can still be adjusted, it needs to be. This is why it is important to treat potential problems while a child is very young. I don't particularly like Jesse Jackson as he is a hypocrite, but he once said to the effect, 'It's either health care and school care on the front end or it's jail care and welfare on the back end" (If someone knows the exact quote that would be useful.)

11) Comment by mh1949 - 01/02/2013

To me it is so funny that regardless what the juveniles do there is a ilness or condition that is said to be the cause. As a child I guess I had, or acted as if I had, ADD,ADHD,Bipolar Disorder, and all these other conditions used when needed. What is strange is that Mother cured me of all these illnesses without any medication,any costs to taxpayers, or long drawn out treatments. I hear parents use these conditions constantly when their child acts up or gets in trouble. " Oh he can't help it he's BIPOLAR " The child learns at a very early age he can use this to his advantage to avoid punishment. Mother's treatments didn't have any lasting harmful effects on me . I am a retired professional, never arrested, and never received as much as a parking ticket in my life.

12) Comment by Ivy - 01/02/2013

Right on tradewinns, fodgers, CBCS, though I normally don't agree with your posts, I want "my people" to wake up and smell the coffee. For all the other posters looking for the humane way to deal with this - get people to understand that if they are unstable, unemployable, unregistered, etc., please don't bring a child into the world. That is not a right, it is a privilege. It's one thing to fall on hard times and need a helping hand, but another thing entirely to walk into doom. And if we don't wake up, we will be like CHINA, EGYPT, and all the other places where the government gets right into bed with you, the people. We may not see it in our lifetimes, but big brother is coming and we won't have a chance at defeating him if we continue on this way.

13) Comment by twinkie1cat - 01/02/2013

Country boy: You know in COMMUNIST China they have a policy that says families can only have 1 child. If they catch a woman pregnant without permission they force her to get an abortion. There are also thousands of little girls abandoned in orphanages because their parents want their one and only child to be a boy. So since you you want to limit the size of families so badly, why don't you move to Red China? That dictatorship sounds more your speed than America.

14) Comment by tradewinns - 01/02/2013

"74 percent of the youngsters...... have some kind of diagnosable mental health malady". and possibly 99% of those are due to poor parenting in cohots with attorneys' imagination. , if any. i'm with foldgers on this one (and squiggly, you may want to reread duckyluv's comment) not that many years ago insanity meant you did not know the difference between right and wrong. well with all the creative energy put into our legal system, just about everything now works. from temporary insanity to can not assist his/her defense team in preparing the defense. as our present system of public assistance is NOT working either in eliminating poverty or crime, you would think the politicians would be lined up to fix the problem. what a joke. politicians count the number of votes they get with increased program funding. those of us who pay the bills should join together and replace everyone of the members of congress with someone who can fix the problems, or replace them also.

15) Comment by twinkie1cat - 01/02/2013

And Jindal fights mental illness by cutting the budget for couselors in the schools and early mental health treatment to prevent emotional problems from creating a kid who is dangerous. Real intelligent, huh.

16) Comment by twinkie1cat - 01/02/2013

ultimate: No. They just teach test taking skills.

17) Comment by bourbon-soda - 01/02/2013

Probably someone at Flagship U. The caption reads "director at the Institute for Public Health and Justice at the LSU Health Sciences Center."

18) Comment by ultimateliberal - 01/02/2013

Who the heck designed a graphic that says, "How Louisiana Compares?" IGNORANT! No question mark is needed.........is English taught in school anymore?

19) Comment by simbatigercat - 01/02/2013

this is about kids, not welfare lines country boy. locking up minor offenders with dangerous predators where they will be abused and get any treatment at all. this assures repeat jail time. my tax dollars not well spent.

20) Comment by foldgers - 01/02/2013

"...have some kind of diagnosable mental health malady..." - OK, what kinf of mental illnesses? What are the names of these illnesses? Just in my opinion, MOST, not all, of these illnesses are created by lawyers getting their clients off. My favorite is when someone gets off for "Temporary insanity." What? Really? I would love to know what genius lawyer came up with that one. I just wish we could, as a society, just take responsibility for our actions instead of blaming someone or something else. As for as country's statement, I can't say I 100% agree with you, but I have been saying over the past few weeks that if you are in poverty and choose to have more than two kids, I am sorry, if you choose to take the chance and not use any birth control, or abstain or any other methods of pleasure besides sex... then I am sorry, but I think ALL "benefits" for having kids should be limited to two kids. It IS child abuse when you purposely bring a child into poverty, in my opinion. Once again, people need to take responsibility for their actions, whether they are dumb actions or intelligent ones. But some people here will say that they only have so many kids because they can't afford condoms, or a bus system that makes it hard to get to planned parenthood for an abortion, or it's too expensive for bc pills... All super ignorant statements, that yes, recently someone came at me with in these comments. Keep your legs closed if a condom is unavailable and you are not on the pill. Condoms are free any day of the week at planned parenthood. Make a trip there and stock up. Buses will come around or I know someone you know has a car. As far as these kids using illnesses to get lesser sentences... I am not buying that ALL of them actually have an illness. It is like a lawyer saying a middle aged man has an illness because he likes child porn....really???? For the kids, 95% of the time, I would guess, it is because of terrible parenting.

21) Comment by WestCoast - 01/02/2013



22) Comment by CountryBoysCanSurvive - 01/02/2013

And you squiggly sound like you are the kind that stands in a welfare line wanting us to pay for your illegitimate welfare babies. Have as many as you want as long as they are not on my dime. It's funny that when someone objects to paying for your people's need you have to insult them. Get a job, get a home, get a life but don't stand there in the welfare line saying woe is me woe is me Mr. Charlie please help me. I am sick of helping your kind.

23) Comment by squiggly - 01/02/2013

CountryBoy, it sounds like you need to be evaluated and put on meds. That type of thinking is why there are so many youths incarcerated who really need to be treated for mental illness instead.

24) Comment by squiggly - 01/02/2013

Duckyluve, can you read? The article states " Populations in the four state “secure custody” facilities have decreased by 72 percent since 2000, the study found."

25) Comment by CountryBoysCanSurvive - 01/02/2013

The answer is that parents need to step up to the plate and be responsible for what they created. The best way to do that, is that if you have more than one child, you get zero assistance from the government. The condom sales would go through the roof.

26) Comment by morellok2 - 01/02/2013

Juvenile justice cuts and mental health cuts at the same time we have rising crime rates in the younger age group-yep that makes perfect sense!

27) Comment by Duckyluve - 01/02/2013

So they quit locking up juvenile criminals and now they wonder why juvenile crime is so high? No wonder were in trouble