Report: Teacher retirement underfunded

Teacher retirement systems in Louisiana and elsewhere are “severely underfunded” and face a wide range of other problems, according to a national report.

“The structure of teacher pension systems in the United States is, by and large, untenable,” says a report by the National Council on Teacher Quality, a Washington, D.C. group that calls itself a nonpartisan research organization.

Unfunded liabilities for teacher retirement systems total $325 billion, the report says, including $10.8 billion in Louisiana.

The study, which was released last week, says Louisiana’s figure is the 10th highest in the nation.

It says that state and local governments “have knowingly contributed less than their required portion to fund promised benefits, and lower than expected investment returns have exacerbated those actions.”

The health of pension systems, which is a national issue, is relevant to teachers and other taxpayers.

Current and former educators rely on the soundness of the fund for yearly benefits, which average $24,305 here.

Other taxpayers want to make sure the systems are not so out of balance that they drain tax dollars that would otherwise be used for public schools, health care and higher education.

The Teachers’ Retirement System of Louisiana represents about 152,000 current and retired teachers and other educators.

It is the largest in the state and was set up in 1936.

Maureen Westgard, director of the TRSL, did not return a call for comment about the report.

Lisa Honore, a spokeswoman for the office, issued a prepared statement that noted the teachers’ system financial status stems from underfunding in the past.

The statement notes that most of the debt has to be paid off by 2029 under a constitutional amendment that voters approved in 1987.

But House Retirement Committee Chairman Kevin Pearson, R-Slidell, said the $10.8 billion in unfunded liabilities is worrisome, especially knowing that more debt can be added in the next 17 years aside from what the state is required to pay by then.

“That certainly should be a concern,” Pearson said.

Gov. Bobby Jindal proposed a wide range of pension changes earlier this year.

However, the only major one that won final approval would change pension plans for state employees and higher education employees hired July 1 and after.

Teacher members of the TRSL would not be affected.

The new law is also under a legal challenge in the 19th Judicial District Court.

Adding to the problem here and elsewhere, the report says, is that state officials set unrealistic assumptions on investment earnings, which can make the systems appear healthier than they are.

Most assume a rate of return of between 7.5 percent and 8.25 percent, the study says.

While that may happen over a long period, the report says, “no pension plans are meeting those rates of return in today’s economy.”

“Unfunded liabilities and unrealistic assumptions on rates of return make pension systems houses of cards that are bound to collapse,” a news release that accompanied the report says.

The statement from officials of the TRSL says they are in the process of trying to trim the rate from 8.25 percent to 8 percent.

Pearson said that, in his experience, state officials generally err on the side of overestimating what its investments will generate, which distorts the picture.

In another area, the report gave Louisiana high marks for offering portable pension systems.

TRSL members with defined benefit plans — they guarantee a specific monthly payment for life — can transfer service credit with most other retirement systems in the state, among other options.

The study faulted the state, and lots of others, for requiring that teachers be in the system for more than three years to be vested.

The requirement is five years in Louisiana.

In their prepared statement, TRSL officials said several pension bills approved by the Legislature in recent years have made the system more sound.

That list includes;

  • A 2007 constitutional amendment that requires laws affecting the retirement system to spell out funding sources to pay for the change.
  • A 2010 constitutional amendment that requires two-thirds support of the Legislature for approval of any retirement bill that carries a cost.
  • A 2011 constitutional amendment that will require a certain percentage of future budget surpluses to help retire the debt of the teachers’ retirement system.

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Comments (17)


1) Comment by tradewinns - 18/12/2012

when a child "arrives" at a public school for their education and do not measure up to even the most basic knowledge to begin their formal education, whose fault could it possibly be? the teachers they haven't even met yet or gov. jindal's because he didn't increase funding for some program someone likes? NO, it's the parent's fault, pure and simple. as long as there are lots of "acceptable", unsubstanciated, unproven (and never evaluated) excuses, nothing will be improved. an example, a single parent, working three jobs so i'm out ot time. really? let's check out if you are really working three jobs, how long have you been working three jobs (compared to how old is your kid(s)). where is the father/mother? how long have they been "gone"? if you research all the bogus claims, you will find out the majority of "reasons" or excuses and have no more depth than the individual making them. their just lazy and do not have to do anything to get by and that's how they like it. way past time for a bit of reality in their lives.

2) Comment by zealer99 - 17/12/2012

Let's do a reality check on the underfunding of retirement systems. Social Security is the most highly underfunded retirement program in existence and it is also a defined benefit retirement system. Despite the fact that is has historically underfunded, contribution rates have been "temporally" decreased, which drives it even further into the red. Our entire economic system is plunging into the wild blue yonder and we play word games....

3) Comment by Concerned_Parent - 17/12/2012

@BRmoderate...I agree 100% that not all of the underperforming students are from "welfare" homes, however I think it would make the most immediate impact. If teachers didn't have to deal with the kids who CAN learn but choose not to(or parents choose not to help them), they could spend more time with the children who truly have learning disabilities. There are kids striving for attention from their parents, even if it is from their negative actions. Find someone who is willing to do a study that compares the grades between families who sit down to have supper together every night and those who don't. It is not pubic schools that are broken, it is families that are broken. BUT, you lose votes if you try and fix families. You can't tell someone they are a bad parent and get their vote. It's easier to tell a teacher they are a failure and tell the parents that their precious child is failing b/c of the school. You swap 1 vote for maybe 10. And you do all this in the name of "school reform" b/c that sounds good in the media. When it is really "self preservation" by the politicians.

4) Comment by Noel Hammatt - 17/12/2012

Louisiana ranks in the bottom of the barrel for measures of early childhood safety, health, and other important educational experiences BEFORE they ever arrive at school. These rankings (KIDSCOUNT, for example) should be receiving lots of attention, because the most important teachers children will ever have are their parents, and the most important school they will ever attend is their childhood home. NO SCHOOLS or SCHOOL SYSTEMS in the country have overcome the patterns of achievement that children arrive at school with. FOr some, yes, of course, but statistically, for large numbers. No. Not even close.

5) Comment by Noel Hammatt - 17/12/2012

The most important factors impacting student achievement are NOT EVEN IN THE SCHOOLS. So blaming schools for all of these poor rankings is a bit like blaming doctors in Baton Rouge for our having the highest AIDS rates. Simply isn't cause and effect. Want to make a difference in the schools? Don't abuse teachers with faulty evaluation schemes that are not theoretically or practically sound. Don't claim schools are failing just because your accountability system doesn't account at all for the progress a school makes based on where the students are academically WHEN THEY ARRIVE. If you paid any attention to the critiques of those who actually have training and experience in education and schooling, you might note some simple patterns... for example, the top 20 schools in the state are all selective magnet schools.... and the bottom 20 schools are all alternative schools for students who are not doing well when they arrive! The average percentage of students from the lowest income families (those who qualify for free meals) in schools ranked "A" is 34%. The average percentage for schools graded "F" is 89%? Is it that difficult to see these patterns? A school that scores totally out of the pattern.... is a school (in 99.9% of the cases we have studied) that has figured out how to be either selective or has carefully crafted a pattern of enrollment that works in the same way.

6) Comment by BRmoderate - 17/12/2012

We need strong public schools if Louisiana is going to pull itself out of the cellar. Right now, there are too many schools. I work in education, at a private school and can tell you for certain that just because you attend a private school does not mean you are getting a better education than schools in Zachary, Ascension, Livingston. We need to build models out of those high performing PUBLIC districts. I love the idea of tying welfare benefits to school performance but please remember not all children who underperform are from "Welfare Homes"...

7) Comment by crabby - 17/12/2012

Their salaries are underfunded too, so what's the problem?

8) Comment by Noel Hammatt - 17/12/2012

@Whine and Cheese: it is obvious you have no clue what I have been doing, and what I have been proposing for the last 20 years or so. Many might hope for crickets, but I have been much more honest, and vocal about it. As for Louisiana's placement in the "rankings" you might want to study Simpson's Paradox. I tried once to explain it to Jeff Sadow, but I think it was too complex for him. Look it up. Might help you understand some things. At any rate, I note that neither you nor Jeff Sadow touches on the veracity of any of my statements below. Good thing, since they are true. Now, @Jeff Sadow. Really. You still have nothing? Even your numbers make no sense at all. Please tell me that you realize that the money will not be paid out over 17 years. Please. These payments are due out over the lifetime of those who contributed to the retirement systems, not over the next 17 years. And, as usual, I note that you don't challenge with facts any of the assertions I made. You have absolutely no idea about what I have done over the years, and continue to do to change the popular mythconceptions about education and schooling, and you make it clear by your infantile rants. Try thinking through just one thing. Why do you really think Louisiana does not rank highly on standardized testing? And keep in mind (this is a hint) that most measures do not include any students in private or parochial schools.

9) Comment by tradewinns - 17/12/2012

concerned parent and i have like ideas. nothing can save education if the parents are not held responsible to insure their kids participate in the education system. find a failing school and you will find the failing parents. they go hand in hand.

10) Comment by Concerned_Parent - 17/12/2012

You want a plan......Have parents submit a progress report every month before state benefits are handed out. If you have x amount of unexcused absences, you cut x amount out of your benefitst that month. You have x amount of days a teacher reports homework was not done, another cut. Stop the cycle of kids learning that you can get something for nothing if you play the game right, and make the parents take on some accountability for their child learning to read. How many children go home at night and NEVER read a book with their parents? If you can't read, you can't do math, learn history, or conduct a science experiment. Go learn what getting a "crazy check" means. Kids are taught to misbehave, and how to do it, so that their parents get a check from the state each month for "their care". Go sit in a lunch room and see how many kids eat free lunch every day, then sit in the car pool line and see what kind of vehicle they get picked up in. The answer is not giving away more(vouchers and grades). Maybe we need to start taking back.....let's see what WORKING for something does for these kids!

11) Comment by Scrooge - 17/12/2012

Whine & Cheese, A comparison of the syntax in your comments to Mr. Hammat's reveals much. Cousin "Lefty" Dave, your solution is invective and attacks on on those who might question? No, thanks.

12) Comment by jeffsadow - 17/12/2012

@noel hammatt, pot, meet kettle. This is laughable that you criticize this data and its presumed use in the manner you do, trying to distract from its conclusions by trying to shoot the messenger, when your comments about these kind of matters carry an unrelenting, hyperpartisan, and ideological (and not particularly well-reasoned or researched) tone that tries to push a certain agenda. You attack these interests on the basis of bad faith when your attempted rebuttals easily can be interpreted as the same, to try to prop up a failing system that benefits certain interests before children. It's pure comedy that you appear to think thinking people do not see through that. Let's keep our eyes on the prize: this $10.8 billion that represents almost $2,500 for every person in LA is a serious problem, that (assuming it doesn't grow) will cost the state an extra $635 million or so a year for the next 17 years. Note that this year's share of pay-in would have covered every cut made this year to health care and higher education. That you and your ilk try to ignore or try to argue for disregarding this on the basis of a bogus political agenda only reinforces the poverty of the interests your represent and their agenda.

13) Comment by Concerned_Parent - 17/12/2012

Whine & Cheese.....you may want to lay off the wine....Do you honestly think it is the schools/union that are bringing down the education system. Look around you. Look at the society we live in now. 40 years ago you had kids that went to work before and after school at very young ages. Even if it was just on the family farm. You had parents that made darn sure their child was at school every day. You had a community that would see little Johnny walking the streets on a school day and would either stop and pick him up, or make sure his parents knew about it. Now everyone is walking around with their hands out....give me something, now give me more. Work? Kids don't have time to work, it cuts into their Xbox time.

14) Comment by Whine & Cheese - 17/12/2012

Lastly, I forgot to mention - look back over the decades and see if you find a single proposition to take Louisiana from the bottom 10 percent to anywhere in the top 50 percent of state education systems. It isn't there. They've never had a single idea (or motive) to improve the school system. Even now as they curse that brown- skinned devil, they've got nothing. If Jindal and ALEC are so bad, show us your plan. Listen: crickets.

15) Comment by Whine & Cheese - 17/12/2012

Thank goodness the left gets up early. Those bad, bad people of ALEC just might cause Louisiana to have the worst education system in the nation - a drop from 49. Really? Actually, we should all be thanking God for Jindal. After decades of failure by Louisiana educators (I know, blame, blame, blame - hey? Maybe the president went to public school.) - let me say it again - for the first time in Louisiana history, after failing students for over 40 years, the teachers/unions are finally concerned about school performance. Please listen to the suddenly concerned progressives. This is what you'll hear: everything Jindal has done is bad, let's go back to the status quo, protect to failures of the 49th.

16) Comment by Spudaroonski - 17/12/2012

I agree Noel. This is just another attack on public education from the right. They will never stop until public education has been destroyed and completely privatized. Make no mistake about it, privatization is their goal.

17) Comment by Noel Hammatt - 17/12/2012

One has to ask, where Will Sentell got this report from. The National Council on Teacher Quality (NCTQ) is a purely ALEC- Inspired, and Gates (and other Billionaires Club) supported organization in their own words, "created to provide an alternative national voice to existing teacher organizations, largely because a case needed to be made for a far more comprehensive reform agenda." The group has had a number of run-ins with ethics and accountability, but in fact it follows in the same lines as Teach For America (Wendy Kopp is on the Board of the NCTQ, along with a current crop of ideological reformers) in not using independent researchers, but instead funding internal research fully guided not by an open exploration of the data, but by its ideological mission, to attack key aspects of teacher organizations, teacher training colleges and universities (can't have them competing with Teach for America's 5 week summer training) and basically, to hold hands with the "reformers" and, in the words of our own super- reformer, "muddy the narrative" about public education today. One can only guess that this report is sent out now to start the process in the legislative session to "do something about" this "huge" problem" identified by a bogus non-profit. As always, key people in this non-profit do quite well, especially given their lack of training and experience. How about $177,000 for the chief executive in this bogus non-profit. Kate Walsh was implicated in the famous "pay media folks to put out propaganda" during the Bush reforms in the US Department of Education. No respectable national group would touch this bogus report with a ten foot pole. Pure, unadulterated ***** And I don't mean a Bachelor's Degree there.