Legislator testifies vouchers illegal in consolidated trial

A state lawmaker who opposes school vouchers testified Wednesday he believes it is illegal to use the state’s public school financing formula to pay for tuition for some students to attend private and parochial schools.

State Rep. John Bel Edwards was the first witness called at the trial of consolidated lawsuits challenging the constitutionality of Gov. Bobby Jindal’s statewide voucher program and other recently-passed education reforms.

The suits filed by the state’s two largest teacher unions and dozens of local school boards contend Act 2, the so-called voucher bill, of the 2012 legislative session and Senate Concurrent Resolution 99, the Minimum Foundation Program resolution, also approved during the session, do not pass constitutional muster.

The unions and school boards argue it is illegal to pay for the voucher program, home-schooling, online courses, college tuition and independently run charter schools — that will not be affiliated with local school systems — through the public school funding formula.

Edwards, a lawyer, testified the voucher program serves to “capture” local tax dollars and redirect them to private and parochial schools.

“It captures local funds and diverts them for a purpose for which they were never approved by the taxpayers,” he said.

Edwards, D-Amite, said the MFP is the mechanism for funding public elementary and secondary schools, not private and parochial schools.

“I think it’s unlawful what the MFP resolution (SCR 99) does,” he added.

The suits also claim state lawmakers did not follow the constitutional requirements for filing and passing the educational reforms and their funding.

The MFP resolution was approved June 4, the last day of the session. Most bills require 53 votes, a majority of the 105-member House. House Speaker Chuck Kleckley, R-Lake Charles, said that, as a resolution, it required only a majority of those in the chamber and voting. SCR 99 passed the House 51-49.

Alfred “Butch” Speer, who has been clerk of the state House of Representatives for nearly three decades, testified he had never seen an MFP resolution receive fewer than 53 votes.

The bench trial before state District Judge Tim Kelley will resume Thursday. The judge promised a ruling by week’s end. Since 2008, the MFP has provided more than $3 billion annually to local public school districts across Louisiana, economist Jim Richardson testified.

He said the “Minimum” in Minimum Foundation Program is a “very generic term” and depends largely on the economic health and wealth of the state.

Under Act 2, students who attend public schools rated C, D or F under the state accountability system and who meet income rules can apply for state aid to attend private or parochial schools.

Nearly 5,000 students statewide qualified for vouchers, which provide aid to cover tuition and mandatory fees at private and parochial schools. Those schools collect an average of $5,300 per student from the state.

The new program began with the start of the school year in August. Before the new law, the state offered vouchers only to certain students in New Orleans.

Jindal asked state lawmakers to expand the aid statewide to give families another option out of failing public schools.

Critics, such as the Louisiana Federation of Teachers, Louisiana Association of Educators and Louisiana School Boards Association, contend the program is draining vital dollars from traditional public schools, where state spending per student has been frozen for four consecutive years.

The Alliance for School Choice, the Black Alliance for Educational Options and several parents have intervened in the case in support of the defendants.

One of those parents, Valerie Evans, participated in a rally and news conference Wednesday morning outside the 19th Judicial District Courthouse before the trial got under way.

Evans’ 11-year-old son Gabriel is using a state voucher, or scholarship as Jindal’s administration calls it, to attend a Catholic school in New Orleans, where he previously was enrolled at a failing public school.

“This scholarship program represents a crisis solution to a crisis problem,” Evans said. “We have to rescue our children.”

Institute for Justice attorney Bill Maurer, who represents Evans, the Black Alliance for Educational Options and other intervenors in the case, argued outside the courthouse and inside the courtroom that Louisiana’s voucher program is an educational “lifeline” for children trapped in failing schools.

Defendants in the suits are the state, the state Board of Elementary and Secondary Education and the state Department of Education.

Jimmy Faircloth, who represents the state, argued to Kelley that BESE has “enormous discretion” over the MFP formula. He said the Legislature “cannot tell BESE what to put in that formula.”

Editor’s note: This story was modified on Nov. 29, 2012, to reflect that the Alliance for School Choice and the Black Alliance for Educational Options intervened in the case in support of the defendant, not the plaintiff. The Advocate regrets the error.


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1) Comment by phil - 30/11/2012

bettergovt - good point and I would like to add that the middle class also possibly ends up paying for the profits that some rich owners of private schools will end up making. I personally think the voucher system is about making money and not about educating students.

2) Comment by bettergovt - 29/11/2012

Why is school choice so important for everyone below the income limit but no consideration is given for any above the limit? At $55,000/yr for a family of 4, the kids get a free ride. At $56,000/yr, they get nothing. No phase out or anything. Does that extra $1000 a year all of a sudden make you able to afford the $5000-$8000 a year to send your kids to private school? I guess the middle class doesn't matter. Middle class people will be paying taxes to send poor kids to a school that they cant afford to send their own kids to while their kids are stuck in a failing school that will be more and more underfunded every year. How is that fixing public schools???

3) Comment by Being_Stupid - 29/11/2012

Sacrifice the children to save our Teachers Union.

4) Comment by Scrooge - 29/11/2012

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5) Comment by Scrooge - 29/11/2012

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6) Comment by Biochick - 29/11/2012

And, yes, I realize that the quality of the school itself isn't 100% to blame for the test scores... BUT... it plays a big part... I remember several years ago looking at a social studies textbook that my stepbrother had (we went to 2 different school districts)... It was so outdated, that it actually had an entire chapter in it about properly stocking a bomb/fallout shelter, and explained the "duck and cover" safety procedures (yes, that's right, this school district was still using a textbook written during the Cuban Missile Crisis, in the late 80s/early 90;s).

7) Comment by Biochick - 29/11/2012

Here's the thing... if you can afford to send your kid to a private school, you do... if you can't, you don't.... Why is it that so many uber-conservatives (who so vehemently OPPOSE any other form of government intervention or funding) are in favor of the voucher program?... using government money to send kids to certain schools...

8) Comment by Whatchange - 29/11/2012

look people, say what you want, I for one will not fall for yawls fear mongering. The reason they were chosen is because that is the ones that said we will take them, the Muslim school pulled out because of to much opposition, period. Same as Zachary, they said they would except them, then pulled out when the community spoke out against it. Fear mongering at its best here.

9) Comment by Biochick - 29/11/2012

What a huge, DUH?!? First: It was a use of tax dollars that the legislature decided on, without putting it to a vote, by the taxpayers. Second: It was a use of tax dollars to go towards private schools, including religious schools, which could be considered a "separation of Church and State" issue... Third: Why not use that money to improve the public schools in the first place, rather than using it to send certain students to private schools?

10) Comment by unity - 29/11/2012

@Whatchange Where have you found grades for the private schools? Does the state grade them? on what criteria? are these grades made public? Please let me know, I'd love to see the data.

11) Comment by simbatigercat - 29/11/2012

Whatchange, I agree that Jindal did not say that the schools that got vouchers had to be christian. However, all the schools, as pointed out in another comment, that got vouchers, except for two, are religious schools and one of those is a special education school. There was originally a Muslim school that applied but suddenly withdrew its application. It has not come out in the media why, but we know. This is Louisiana after all and they were Muslims. No one really knows why the schools that were chosen were picked. This is part of the request for documents that Jindal and John White have refused to release under the Freedom of Information Act . They call those documents "deliberative process" as an excuse.

12) Comment by Whatchange - 29/11/2012

Some of y'all are really reaching, man the fear mongering you are putting out there. Any private school or public school that has a B or higher rating in the state can accept the vouchers. Governor Jindal at no time said only christian schools can apply for the vouchers.

13) Comment by Being_Stupid - 29/11/2012

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14) Comment by unity - 29/11/2012

Out of the 17 schools in EBR currently accepting voucher students there are only 2 schools that do not have a religious affiliation. One is Angles Academy which only accepts children with disabilities and went from having 11 students last year to having 52 students this year (probably would have gone out of business without the influx of voucher students) and Louisiana New School Academy which had 45 students last year and 64 students this year but has been approved to take up to 130 voucher students. Neither of these schools have proven track records or have been subject to testing that would show us how they compare to the public schools they are taking funding from. I doubt either of these schools would last long competing for students in the private school arena without the boost in funding achieved by accepting the vouchers.

15) Comment by phil - 29/11/2012

In addition to my last comment - we start all over with the same problems we already had, plus we are paying more for private schools that make big profits for someone.

16) Comment by phil - 29/11/2012

Years of fighting for equal schools and then we create vouchers to send a select few students to "better" schools while leaving the other students behind in the "bad"schools. Gee, that really sounds like a well thought out solution for everyone involved - right? I personally believe if one student gets a voucher, then all students get a voucher. Then basically you have a public school system entirely based on vouchers, and private schools and public schools all become public schools, and we start all over with the same problems we already have.

17) Comment by Prof Willis - 29/11/2012

@being_stupid Seriously? I'm not sure what you're basing these assumptions off of. I went to Catholic school all my life, and it's no exaggeration to say that everything revolves around religion. Mandatory Mass every week, Catholic Religion class every single year (which is *not* an elective in any sense, and which influences your grade just as much as your core classes for the purpose of your diploma), mandatory Pro-Life marches, etc. Religious non-Catholics and athiests/agnostics are expected to "blend in". Nor is this just my own experience, since everyone I've talked to who went to a parochial/religious school in Louisiana had similar experience--and in Louisiana, parochial schools outnumber non-religious private schools by an order of magnitude, which you would know if you have even glanced at the list of state-approved private schools (1). Not only are the examples you list (I assume, unless the KAPLAN I read about was different from the one you intended) not state-approved private schools (i.e. the type of schools the vouchers would pay for), they are not schools at all; both are simply tutoring centers. And anyway, it's hard to deny that there are no religious motives here whatsoever when at least one representative has expressed a desire to divert state education funds "for teaching the fundamentals of America’s Founding Fathers’ religion, which is Christianity, in public schools or private schools" (2). Besides that, a basic knowledge of economics would show you that this bill seems like a wildly inefficient use of money. As Noel pointed out earlier, schools are in a way like power plants; removing one "customer" does very little to reduce the overall cost of the system. The biggest cost for schools tends to come from those things which students share--buildings, teachers, access to scholarly materials, etc. Moving some fraction of the students from the public school system to private schools through the use of vouchers will more than likely result in what Noel pointed out--having to pay twice for a student--since their absence won't eliminate the need for maintenance and upkeep for the public school system. Our already strained education budget doesn't really need that (and if you're wondering how badly we're actually doing in that regard, you should check out House Bill 1, available online in full, like all Louisiana State legislation). In short, I'm a registered Libertarian who believes in small government and large freedoms who has come here to tell you that you give us all a bad name. Putting unnecessary financial burdens on the state and diverting what few scraps education is thrown in this state towards religious entities with no practical way to restrict their use are not proper goals for someone who claims to advocate freedom. (1) Louisiana. Department of Education. Alphabetical List of Nonpublic Schools 2011-12. N.p., n.d. Web. 29 Nov. 2012. <http://www.louisianaschools.net/lde/uploads/2060.pdf>. (2) Dowty, Alice. "Hodges Now Leery of Jindal Reform." Livingston Parish News. N.p., 29 June 2012. Web. 29 Nov. 2012. <http://m.livingstonparishnews.com/mobile/news/article_6c2da5fe-c1e5-11e1- ae3b-0019bb2963f4.html>.

18) Comment by DMJ - 29/11/2012

Don't engage Being Stupid. He's not an actual moron; he's just parodying one. Just look at his name. Don't waste the effort by responding. Just read his posts knowing they're ironic and tongue-in-cheek and have a laugh.

19) Comment by Being_Stupid - 29/11/2012

Sacrifice the children to save our Public Schools and Teachers Union.

20) Comment by Being_Stupid - 29/11/2012

Since when did you leftist ideologues ever care about Religion? Other than to make it an non-issue in opposing School Choice. I am more concerned that the kids learn Math, English, Reading, Science, History and could really care less what Religion or no Religion they learn in school. Better they learn Math, English, Reading, Science, History, and some Religion than NOTHING AT ALL in a D or F Public School. And to answer your questions - YES, there are plenty of Private Schools (Sylvan Learning Center, KAPLAN, etc.) that do not teach religion. There are so many non-Catholics attending Catholic Schools and non-Episcopalians attending Episcopal Schools. Religion is but 1 course, an elective that these Private Schools teach. You leftists act like Religion is the only subject that is taught at these schools. Noel Hammat attended Catholic Schools and he obviously isn't Catholic. You do not have to believe in a particular Religion to attend a Private School that teaches that Religion. Many Schools of a Particular Religion have kids not of that Religion attending and make accommodations to respect the wishes of the parents.

21) Comment by HerbF - 29/11/2012

I certainly hope the plaintiffs win this fight. I'm for improving the schools that need improvement. The voucher program denies resources to schools that need them most. I think it is well intended, but that is not the path I want us to travel.

22) Comment by twinkie1cat - 29/11/2012

OK Here we go, Being Stupid. I am so glad you chose that name: Religion is not a non-issue because the purpose of the parochial schools is EVANGELISM. They are attracting parents with the bait of quality education when their actual goal is creating little Catholics. Check the purpose of these schools. One even puts it on their sign. Religion is the first word. And you cannot, under the U. S. Constitution (Never mind the constitution of Louisiana. Who knows what that one says. It probably authorizes slavery too.) fund religion with taxpayer money. I have not heard of a single voucher school that is not a religious school. Some even use weird curricula where the final answer is "God did it". They don't have to hire real teachers or even college graduates. Who is better to teach conservative religion than a semi-illiterate hate preacher or a member of his loyal flock, especially if they don't know how to read well enough to handle more than a few well-memorized verses of the Bible. So the curriculum is fully infused with religion. It's not just a class. I remember a picture of the parochial in Gonzales of a class sitting in the shape of the rosary and decorating statues of Mary during school hours. Even back in the day of the Dick, Jane, and Sally readers there was a Catholic edition where the family went to Mass in one of the stories. This is fine for a religious school. Parents should pay to send their children to religious schools if that is what they want. However, I learned my faith at home and at church and have been a Christian for a multitude of years. More power to them. But don't use my tax money to teach children to be Catholics or of any religion. Teach about religion if you like and cover all of them. Don't, however, convert children on my dime........The role of the government must be to provide taxpayer funds to educate children in an environment that meets the needs of each child so they can achieve a level of education to be functional adults who can get decent jobs and operate successfully in the world around them. The public schools must be without admission standards and open to all except in special programs. It is not the function of government to stuff standardized testing down their throats. Testing is supposed to be a tool to assess how to proceed with teaching, not an end in itself. Jindal has made it an end, not a means to an end. Finally, as for meeting the standards the state has set, how can private and religious voucher schools be evaluated if not held to the same standards as public as public schools for test scores and be penalized in the same way as the public schools are if they are not evaluated in the same way and receive the grades like the public schools???? The floor has already been tilted in their favor by not evaluating them with the same tests and requiring the same standards of teacher education and curricula. Then the publics are also getting the leftover children, the ones the voucher schools don't want------handicapped, parents who work 3 jobs or who are disabled themselves, transient, homeless and generationally poor. The field is not level and the children are the ones who will suffer along with the real teachers who do the best job they can with the constantly decreased resources they have.

23) Comment by unity - 29/11/2012

@being_stupid I have a question for you: My kids currently attend public schools. They have many friends in their schools from other cultures and countries. Some are Hindu, Muslim, Buddhist, Jewish, Christian, and some are not religious at all. Their parents have done a great job raising these kids in the religious tradition (or in some cases non-religious) of their families. These kids are high achievers and exhibit excellent behavior in the classroom. When the voucher system bankrupts the public schools, where are these children going to find schools that don't conflict with their parent's values? Are there any non-religious private schools accepting voucher students?

24) Comment by Being_Stupid - 29/11/2012

Sacrifice the Individual to save the System. Does not matter how many children we sacrifice. As long as the C,D, & F Public School System survives, that is all that matters.

25) Comment by Being_Stupid - 29/11/2012

Is it legal to bankrupt a child's future?

26) Comment by unity - 29/11/2012

51 votes is clearly not a majority out of 105 legislators. The resolution did not receive the necessary 53 votes to pass. That fact alone should stop the raiding of the MFP for the funding of private schools.

27) Comment by Being_Stupid - 29/11/2012

Save the D & F Public Schools and bankrupt a child's future.

28) Comment by Being_Stupid - 29/11/2012

Vouchers are not illegal. School Choice is not illegal.

29) Comment by twinkie1cat - 29/11/2012

What is wrong with a C school??? A C is a Satisfactory grade. All the inclusion of C schools in the voucher is about is collecting some higher functioning and higher income (but not too high) kids from better neighborhoods so that the voucher schools can pick out the ones they want to educate. The 70805 kids have had the RSD, lowest test scores in the state mind you, schools rammed down their little throats. Istrouma is even putting 6th graders in a high school. And they plan to keep doing that! But they would not do that to middle class children. The RSD is a farce.

30) Comment by twinkie1cat - 29/11/2012

I don't know if BAEO is paying these parents to protest, but I will tell you that their head person is not a teacher and told me specifically at Metro Councilperson Ronnie Edwards' meeting a few months ago that teachers don't need to be certified and that charter schools were not for "all children" when I asked him about their intentions to accept children with significant disabilities. Then at Denise Marcelle's meeting I cornered one of the Recovery District mouthpieces and he said that it was the veteran teachers who were doing a lousy job (bull hockey). They cannot ethically teach kids how to pass tests INSTEAD of educating them because they are real teachers. What our dictator has done is put an African-American face on his policies in order to convince black parents that vouchers are good. And, unfortunately, they took the bait. But it is their children who are suffering.

31) Comment by DMJ - 29/11/2012

I also think it's illegal (not to mention simply terrible policy) to bankrupt public schools in order to syphon money to religious schools. Hope the plaintiffs prevail.

32) Comment by twinkie1cat - 29/11/2012

BigHug----He's a Democrat. He is also from Amite and Tangipahoa Parish is a leader in the fight against the corporatization of the public schools.........Being Stupid------The Dems and the unions are the ONLY ones who care about the schools. Jindal only cares about looking conservative enough to be the next GOP candidate for President. He has cut out medical care and public schools and a few years ago he eviserated the budgets of the non-profits. I will get you again in my next comment. Leave it to say you right wingers need to listen to Noel Hammatt. Now where is teacherguy? Probably working real hard teaching his students.

33) Comment by Being_Stupid - 29/11/2012

Forcing a child to attend a C,D, or F Public School is illegal. It is downright criminal.

34) Comment by Being_Stupid - 29/11/2012

Religion is a non-issue when it comes to school vouchers. Nobody is forcing the Consumer to attend a school that teaches a particular religion as an elective. The Consumer has the final say and choice of which Private School they will attend or not attend, and what electives, such as Religion, they will learn outside of the mandatory coursework. It is not up to the Government to dictate to the Consumer. The Consumer can decide for themselves. The only Role of Government should be to fund public education via vouchers and conduct standardized testing on the necessary coursework (such as Math, English, Science, History) for that grade level, to ensure the Private Schools and their students are indeed meeting the standard as set by the Government.

35) Comment by Being_Stupid - 29/11/2012

The Teacher Union Bosses and Democrat Party Elites don't care about the kids. All they care about is their Government Monopoly on taxpayer money.

36) Comment by danielf - 29/11/2012

the Judge's wife worked directly for Jindal so I'm sure the Judge already has his mind made up. :)

37) Comment by Noel Hammatt - 29/11/2012

Regardless of one's feelings about vouchers, you have to wonder at the state's claim that local money is not used to pay vouchers. What a crock! It would be like your bank claiming that YOUR money is not used to pay your checks when they come in, because they didn't actually use the dollars you deposited. That's right, the state pays the state AND local share of the voucher, and they they take the local portion out of the money the district should have been getting from the state. By the way, the local districts, pay TWICE for vouchers. Once when the state takes the local; share out of the districts funds, and again when you realize that if you take the student out of a classroom, the costs to the district did not go down at all! (If you take a whole class, or if you take an entire school, there are some savings. But the way the vouchers work, in practice... districts pay twice. And the claim that these are "failing schools" is a total travesty. The woman from New Orleans, likely paid to be at the hearing by BAEO (They never denied it in the past.) claims her child is being saved from failing schools, yet she has the right to go to any of the schools in New Orleans, some of them A and B schools, yet she claims the only option is a "failing school?" What BS!

38) Comment by Bighug - 29/11/2012

A Louisiana state representative who thinks it is unconstitutional for a state to provide money to a religious group? How did he get elected? We could sure use at least one more.