Council delays debate over opening bars on Sundays 

Proposal to amend ‘blue laws’ debated

“When we were sworn in, we said we would protect the health, safety and welfare  of our constituents. Expanding the times  just gives people more time to drink.” Pete Heine, Baker councilman

The East Baton Rouge Parish Metro Council on Wednesday deferred action for two weeks on a proposal to amend the city-parish’s “blue laws” restricting alcohol sales on Sunday, after first rejecting an amended version that was meant to satisfy some of the objections raised by opponents.

The original proposal by Councilwoman Alison Gary would have allowed retail stores and bars to open at 6 a.m. on Sundays. But Gary amended that measure during a lengthy debate so bars would not be able to open before 11 a.m. on Sundays.

After the amended measure failed by a 5-6 vote, Councilman Scott Wilson moved that the original proposal be deferred for two weeks. The motion passed 7-4

Gary said she would continue to work to get some version of the ordinance passed.

“It’s not over with,” she said. “I am going to get together with my colleagues and we are going to find a way” to get the measure passed.

During Wednesday night’s public hearing, a parade of speakers spoke out in favor of and against the proposed change.

Baker Councilman Pete Heine said he respected people’s right to drink, but urged the council to reject the proposal.

“When we were sworn in, we said we would protect the health, safety and welfare of our constituents,” he said. “Expanding the times just gives people more time to drink.”

Heine, a former mayor of Baker, said he lost two sons to alcohol-related illnesses.

“I am asking you, humbly, as a father, to consider this,” he said.

Patsy Rusk, who said she lived in Gary’s district, said expanding the hours which alcohol could be sold would have an adverse impact on crime.

“Baton Rouge has a high crime rate; alcohol and drugs are a part of it,” she said. “What’s the problem with the current law?”

Baton Rouge Police Chief Dewayne White said if the ordinance were passed, the city’s alcohol-related crime would get worse.

“East Baton Rouge Parish leads the state in the number of DWI arrests each year,” he said.

That could increase if bars are allowed to open on Sunday, he said.

Research done by the Police Department showed Sunday would be more similar to Thursday, Friday and Saturday nights, which have the highest incidence of impaired drivers, White said.

It could also extend to violent crime, White said.

“I had my statistician look at number of violent crimes we are called to in bars,” he said. “Based on the data I am looking at here, we are going to average about 10 more violent crimes per month.”

That increase would tax the Baton Rouge Police Department’s major assaults division, he said.

Several other speakers spoke in favor of the proposal.

Dave Remmetter, who owns Chelsea’s Café, said the city-parish’s current ordinance unfairly targets bar owners.

“We pay rent on Sunday, electricity on Sunday,” he said. “Why are we as bar and restaurant owners not able to open on Sunday?”

Jay D. Ducote, who operates a Baton Rouge food and drink blog, said expanding the hours would help small businesses.

“It’s not a major change in the amount of time alcohol can be sold,” he said. “This is about being a progressive city that can compete with other cities our size.”

Ducote said if he wants a drink on Sunday, he can just drive to West Baton Rouge Parish, which does not have Sunday sale restrictions.

Gary said she respected those who wanted to keep Sunday as a day for religious observance.

“Sunday is your day to practice your religion,” she said. “It doesn’t mean that we can shut down a legal business on Sunday.”

Gary also pointed out that restaurants that derive at least 50 percent of their revenue from food can serve alcohol on Sunday.

Councilwoman C. Denise Marcelle said she had been the victim of alcohol-fueled crime, but nevertheless she supported the measure.

“When I was stabbed and left for dead, the bar didn’t have anything to do with it,” she said. “This ordinance makes sense to me.”

During the debate, Gary offered a substitute motion to defer the measure addressing bars and to allow retail stores to sell alcohol on Sunday like any other day.

She then withdrew that motion and offered a third motion that was identical to the original except it prohibited bars from opening until 11 a.m. on Sundays.

That motion failed with five yeas and six nays.

Gary, Marcelle, Trae Welch, Marcelle, Joel Boé, Gary and Rodney “Smokie” Bourgeois, a bar and restaurant owner, voted in favor.

Ulysses Addison, Ronnie Edwards, Scott Wilson, Donna Collins-Lewis, Mike Walker and Tara Wicker voted against.

Chandler Loupe left the meeting prior to the vote.

After the failure of Gary’s motion, Wilson moved to defer the item for two weeks.

That motion passed 7-4, with Edwards, Collins-Lewis, Walker and Wicker voting against.

After the vote, Gary assured supporters of the measure outside the meeting that the fight would continue.

“I am not leaving office without getting something done on this,” she said.

Moments after voting to defer Gary’s proposal, the Council unanimously granted a waiver of the prohibition against alcohol at the parish’s parks for the March 21-24 weekend for ZFest, the annual Zachary Arts and Music Festival.


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1) Comment by DMJ - 12/10/2012

Liberals could have legalized weed and gay marriage in a week? ha! If only...

2) Comment by misterfalcon - 12/10/2012

Don't worry about Phil, he's just parroting some yammering he heard Huey, Duey, and Louie Swaggart fulmigating against in between selling 300 dollar bibles and anti-prostitution sooth stones. Leave it to Swaggart ministries to tell us about blue laws. "I have sinned against you..." and its made me sooo much cash.

3) Comment by old yat - 12/10/2012

Hey Mr.T; Just to clear something up that you said in your comment. Smokie Bourgeois,the owner of Georges Restaurants has no conflict of interest here. His three businesses are restaurants that by the way sell some great food!! as well as alcoholic and non-alcoholic beverages.So why should he not vote?? If he is such an obstructionist as he has been called,case in point "food truck fiasco". Why did he vote in favor of changing a law that would let his competition(re:bars only) open? Well, I will tell you ,Councilman Bourgeois is about doing what is right for B.R. not trying to feather his own nest!! Think about it !!! Blue Laws do not stop drinking they only encourage those who wish to drink to get behind the wheel and drive further to get that drink. God bless&Go Tigers

4) Comment by jedleland - 11/10/2012

is it still ok to say biddy or do they prefer something else? busybody? prude? prig? blue rinse crusader? what names are the leading national figures on the biddy scene using now? and should they still be driving? Maaaaatlooooock!

5) Comment by jedleland - 11/10/2012

phil tell me one country that was 'defeated from within'

6) Comment by jedleland - 11/10/2012

im getting older when do i get to start complaining about other people having too much fun? when do i get to interfere? when can i star telling people i know whats good for them better than they do? when do i get to be a sour old biddy? let me know phil and ill see you down at the bingo

7) Comment by jedleland - 11/10/2012

So phil because i want to buy a legal drink from a legal private vendor with my own money im advocating a social overthrow is that what you mean? Time to get over it phil an interfering old biddy always knows best right? I mean who am i to decide when i buy a legal substance from soneone who wants to sell it to me what would the old ladies down at your bingo night say??? I do declare. You flunked your history and you sure know squat about what the freedom of being an american means but you know a good bit about being an interfering pawpaw. what was that about bags of hammers? tell all you old interfering blue law (and blue rinse) buddies what heres a deal we'll stay out of the bars on sundays if you stay off the roads the other 6 days

8) Comment by The_Host - 11/10/2012

Come on now Phil are you really saying that so called crimes like doing drugs in a recreational way or someone servicing another both of their own free will is the same as MURDER? Really? Dude you usually make pretty valid arguments and points but I don't even compare those to someone getting mugged or car jacked much less MURDER. You can't mandate values and you can't make people believe in some spiritual entity no matter how much YOU WANT them to. Why not just go believe what you believe and expect that others will live how they choose? This is where the hypocrisy is rooted. Both sides think they have some inalienable right to tell the other side how they are going to live or who is going to pay for what. BOTH of you are wrong. Keep you hands off my wallet and your morals out of MY HOUSE. What is so hard to understand about this simple arrangement that we have people who just refuse to get it. It is a FREE COUNTRY or it isn't. If you want to tell me how to live that isn't freedom now is it? That is living by YOUR MORALS. I have my own thanks. So I won't try to change yours and you don't mess with mine and we will get along just fine. Simple enough one would think!

9) Comment by phil - 11/10/2012

jedleland - actually you are correct in that your way is one way to take over a country with military force and/or armed revolution. I was actually talking about how a country is defeated from within without ever firing a single shot or having any violence. Of course if you are wanting to have a godless atheist socialistic/communist country like some others in the world are, then I suppose that might be just great. Also some people here know nothing about tea parties. Of course we can just go on and say everything should be legal like - drugs, prostitution. murder etc. Who needs a stupid value system whether it is based on religion or not - right??

10) Comment by The_Host - 11/10/2012

They are all hypocrites DMJ don't you get it man? I don't think the premise of most true everyday Tea Party thinking people is based in the Republican Rights past ideology when it comes to personal freedoms and liberty. But all the current Politicians we have at every level are pretty much rotten as the day is long. The law is stupid and really serves no purpose. Just another one of many to go along with Florists needing a State License or Needing a separate license to fish salt water from fresh water etc. The liberals could have given everybody all the things they wanted just a couple of years ago but they didn't did they? No gay marriage, no legalizing weed all the social issues the Liberals play everyone off of NONE of them resolved and they could have wiped them all out in a week. But NOPE, we get Obamacare, the "we'll have to pass it to know what is in it law" from Liberals! So tell me DMJ where are all those people the Dems have been stringing along for decades as champions of their cause now? What was done for them when anything they wanted could have been done? Yet you think the liberals really want all those things. They just want you to think they do so you will vote for them. Obviously it is working well for them. For all the special interest groups, not so much. Dems they don't even scratch your back anymore lol. Hypocrites you say.

11) Comment by DMJ - 11/10/2012

Baton Rouge Tea Party isn't about "small government" or "individual liberty." It's about advancing Republican policies. Walker is in favor of the current blue laws. This is why we haven't heard from the Tea Party or the Chamber of Commerce. Hypocrites. I'd be angry at the BR Tea Party if it weren't such a joke to begin with.

12) Comment by BRmoderate - 11/10/2012

anyone who is against the government banning alcohol. Ask yourself this, "Did I vote to ban gay marriage?" How can one argue that gov't can ban alcohol bc of religious beliefs but then be in favor of banning same sex marriage? Just food for thought

13) Comment by jedleland - 11/10/2012

perhaps if florida seceded? a land of by and for interfering old biddies and the rest of us can be left alone to have a drink whenever we dam well please

14) Comment by jedleland - 11/10/2012

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15) Comment by BRmoderate - 11/10/2012

America's value system is not based on religion. It is based on Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness."

16) Comment by jedleland - 11/10/2012

and phil you dont know what your talking about the first step to destroying a nation is to overwhelm and defeat its military defences. then you take the capitol and seize media outlets then you place all your cronies in positions of governmental and industrial power and nationalize those industries that are are too politically powerful then you go about winning over the hearts and minds of the defeated populace (a la the romans, by letting them take a token part in government while keeping some pre defeat customs and traditions intact) or you inflict fear and terror on the subjugated peoples with military force and constant reminders of your ruthlessness (think Edward I in scotland and wales, or cromwell in ireland). those rules apply to interal coup attempts by a native faction as well as external invasions. you dont do it by altering silly out of date blue laws beloved by noone of any political or religious opinion (cause we all like a drink sometimes right left religious or atheist), except interfering old biddies

17) Comment by Straight Shooter - 11/10/2012

Baton Rouge’s blue laws constitute government intrusion on small businesses in the name of religious beliefs. Where is the Chamber of Commerce of East Baton Rouge on this issue? I thought the CCEBR represented small businesses and were committed to “free enterprise, individual rights, limited government.” Are they only concerned with national chain stores such as Chick Fil A? Where is the Baton Rouge Tea Party on this issue? If its website and Facebook page are any indication, the BRTP is obsessed with Sharia law interfering with our secular laws. So why don’t we hear anything from the BRTP when a law is on the books that is solely based on religious beliefs?

18) Comment by jedleland - 11/10/2012

seems to me everyone is pushing for this silly blue law change liberals libertarians atheist and christians and REAL small government conservatives. the only ones left are the interfering old biddies and im going to be bold here myself and emphasize OLD am i wrong? doubt it but hey keep faking that conservative facade while pushing to stop me from buying a legal product from a legal private seller on a sunday just cause some old biddies get upset and call on big government to help them. so much for getting governmetn out of the lives of private people eh? what a crock. Maaaaaatttlooooooock!

19) Comment by phil - 11/10/2012

Again - I think some people do not just want to separate church from state, I think they really want to totally separate the USA from God. There is a big difference. The first step to destroy a nation is to destroy its value system from within.

20) Comment by satisphymysoul - 11/10/2012

What happened to separation of church and state. Louisiana, please remove yourself from the 1950s

21) Comment by phil - 11/10/2012

I will be a little bold and ask why is this matter being brought up right now? There is an election for Mayor coming up and if anything I think maybe the council needs to spend their time investigating where $1.6 billion is going for that sewer project and some other more important local issues instead of worrying about changing the blue laws Besides, who really is pushing this blue law change? Personally I think if anything is done it should be to make alcohol LESS available on Sundays. Is this a good good solution to the crime/murder problem in BR? Let's let people drink even more on Sunday? What a great solution!

22) Comment by nimby? - 11/10/2012

it has been said we cannot legislate responsibility or morality , that is up to the individual . something to think about when you look at those around you ...

23) Comment by Chucky - 11/10/2012

@TommyRucker – If DWI driver kills someone after leaving a LSU football game do you stop having games ?

24) Comment by DMJ - 11/10/2012

For all those planning to vote for Walker for mayor-president, keep in mind that he's one of those against this. Just sayin...

25) Comment by LSUinVail - 11/10/2012

@Art. You're assuming that religion has a hand in the government of East Baton Rouge County...er, Parish. Wait, what? Nevermind.

26) Comment by Art Vandelay - 11/10/2012

This is ridiculous! Why not restrict alcohol sales on, say, Wednesdays? We must get these religious idiots out of government roles. Hey, I have no problem with religious zealots believing in magic, faerie tales and various made up nonsense. What burns me up is when their blind ideology affects us through our government. Ugh!

27) Comment by Straight Shooter - 11/10/2012

I can't think of one legitimate reason that a government would have to restrict alcohol sales on one day versus the other six days of the week. Are people unable to control their drinking habits on Sunday versus other days?

28) Comment by Art Vandelay - 11/10/2012

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29) Comment by Politivore - 11/10/2012

A few quick comments: 1) I think Scott Wilson is actually for the proposal. He voted against the AMENDED proposal and, once it failed, immediately moved to defer the original proposal for two weeks (since they clearly didn't have the votes). 2) Tara and other Council members representing North Baton Rouge have attempted to restrict the issuance of liquor licenses to parts of their district. Last I heard, they were getting their pants sued off for equal protection violations.

30) Comment by TommyRucker - 11/10/2012

This only going to increase drinking, crime, etc. and it is going to harm many innocent people JUST so someone can sell alcohol on Sundays. This idea that 'just because I want to do it, I should be able to do it' is what is getting us into the mess we are currently in. The people drinking effect EVERYONE just like everyone is effected by everything else done. This is council members being bought by people who SELL the alcohol. It cannot be a GOOD thing to enact anything that will increase the consumption of a substance that causes a lot of harm and pain. The purpose of THE LAW is not to stop crime, etc. It is the CONTROL it and allowing more alcohol to be sold on Sunday is only going to increase problems in our community. The argument that someone can go over to West BR and get alcohol is ridiculous as it sounds like the same argument I have heard from spoiled children when they can't get their way. There is no doubt SOME people are going to get alcohol, drugs, etc. as well as commit murder, etc. but we don't need to pass laws to make it EASIER to people to get into behavior which is harmful to others as well as to themselves.

31) Comment by Duckyluve - 11/10/2012

No wonder the parish is a joke, look at the so called leaders

32) Comment by imjussayin - 11/10/2012

Walker was FOR it before he was AGAINST it.

33) Comment by imjussayin - 11/10/2012

Metro Council OKs Sunday liquor sales By SCOTT DYER Advocate staff writer Published: Oct 25, 2007 - Page: 1A Beginning Sunday, East Baton Rouge residents will be able to purchase liquor and wine at grocery stores and other retail stores on Sundays. After 61 percent of the voters supported the Sunday sales in Saturday’s election, the Metro Council voted 7-2 Wednesday to amend the ordinance. “It’s the will of the people,” Councilman Charles Kelly said. Until now, stores in East Baton Rouge were allowed to sell beer after 12:30 p.m. on Sundays, but couldn’t sell wine or liquor. Those residents who wanted to purchase alcoholic beverages on Sundays could do so at East Baton Rouge restaurants, which were allowed to sell liquor, beer and wine with food to patrons after 11 a.m. Residents could also travel to neighboring parishes where Sunday sales are already legal. The proposal approved Wednesday by the Council will allow stores to sell beer, wine and liquor beginning at 11 a.m. on Sundays. Councilman Darrell Ourso, who sponsored the measure, said there is nothing in the ordinance that will allow East Baton Rouge bars to open on Sundays, except on Super Bowl Sunday, or when Christmas Eve and New Year’s Eve fall on a Sunday. Ourso and Councilman Mike Walker pushed to place the Sunday sales issue on the Oct. 20 ballot after an attempt to amend the city-parish alcohol ordinance failed by one council vote in May. State law gives the power to regulate sales of alcoholic beverages to the Metro Council, but several council members said they thought it was important to get feedback from the public before legalizing Sunday liquor and wine sales. After East Baton Rouge voters overwhelmingly voted in favor of Sunday sales, Ourso said, he was besieged by e-mails and calls from constituents demanding the council legalize Sunday retail sales of wine and liquor. But the 61 percent approval in Saturday’s election didn’t influence everyone on the council. Council members Ulysses “Bones” Addison and Lorri Burgess both voted against the measure Wednesday. Addison said he has personal and religious problems with expanding alcohol sales on a day when he worships God. Burgess said alcohol abuse in many cases can lead to other problems, such as drug abuse and domestic violence. Council members voting in favor of legalizing Sunday liquor and wine sales were Ourso, Walker, Joe Greco, Pat Culbertson, Charles Kelly, Martha Jane Tassin and Mickey Skyring. Three council members were absent: Wayne Carter, Byron Sharper and David Boneno.

34) Comment by Being_Stupid - 11/10/2012

I am voting for Steve Myers for mayor. The Local Republican Party Candidates are a complete joke in East Baton Rouge. They act more like Democrats and Communist Party Members wanting to control every aspect of the Individual and dictate their morality.

35) Comment by Being_Stupid - 11/10/2012

Why did Scott Wilson vote against this? Scott Wilson of all people on the Metro Council should have voted for this.

36) Comment by Being_Stupid - 11/10/2012

Chief Dewayne White mentioned that EBR leads the state in the number of DWI arrests each year, but he failed to mention that EBR also leads the state in the number of Random Checkpoint Charlie Road Blocks setups on Thursday, Friday, and Saturday Nights to stop every motorists and check to see if they are drinking or not. These numerous Checkpoint Charlies are funded by Attorney Associations and MADD so they can make more money defending people in court. A policeman should only stop motorists that show signs of reckless driving, not pull them over because they happen to be passing through a DWI Road Trap. Reminds me of Communist Europe. Search me and search my car without probable cause whatsoever other than I am driving down the road minding my own business not hurting anyone. And .08 is the illegal limit? No offense, but at .09 I can drive a Mack Truck with Trailer in reverse, with foot hanging out the window, reciting the Alphabet backwards in Chinese, while on a cellphone, blowing the horn, and in a straight line with no problem at all. The limit needs to be moved back to .10 like it used to be.

37) Comment by Citizen Jane - 11/10/2012

Council Woman Wicker also cited the issue of oversaturation of alcohol retailers in certain areas of her district and the problems they cause for her community as a reason she voted against the issue. So instead of "protecting" those vulnerable areas by regulating the number of liquor retailers allowed, she choses to punish (and quite possibly impose her religious ideology) on the rest of the parish. It is also an insult to our intelligence that a people don't get as drunk in a restaurant on Sunday, because eating while drinking prevents you from getting as drunk. Also, the statistics quoted were dubious at best.

38) Comment by DMJ - 11/10/2012

Tradewinns, this doesn't have anything to do with Republican/Democrat. Look at who voted against it - Democrats and Republicans. Typical. The only time the 2 parties can get together is when they're screwing something up. I'll be voting against my council member, Tara Wicker, next time around. I'm sick of her Jehovah's Witness religious conservative nonsense.

39) Comment by foldgers - 11/10/2012

"When we were sworn in, we said we would protect the health, safety and welfare of our constituent..." - - REALLY?!?! No! You were put in to represent the people in your district, not to force those people to act the way you think they should! I said yesterday, do people who are against this think that people don't drink at home on Sundays and drive out to get food? Drinking alcohol is LEGAL! Telling me when and where I can and can't drink it is NOT a role of government. I also said yesterday, people as young as EIGHTEEN can buy cigarettes any time, any where, any day and for any reason. Both are just as bad for YOUR people, you should pass a law saying I can't buy cigarettes on Fridays, that way, my lungs will be so much cleaner on Saturdays since everyone knows I would not have any cigarettes at home, or not have friends who I could bum off of or go give my money to the next door parish and get them there.

40) Comment by tradewinns - 11/10/2012

while the supreme court has ruled a government can restrict sales of items anytime they want, to say this isn't a religious matter is to continue to believe in the tooth fairy. anyone who says different isn't being honest. or as the new democrats say "liar!".

41) Comment by raised.on.robbery - 11/10/2012

I can't believe there is still a debate over this.

42) Comment by Giantkiller - 11/10/2012

Why did Chandler Loupe leave before the vote? I would like to know that. Way to represent your district. Dude's a joke. Somebody please run against this guy.

43) Comment by Frustrated - 11/10/2012

I like to have a beer before I go to church on Sunday.

44) Comment by CountryBoysCanSurvive - 11/10/2012

To The city Council..."You can't legislate morality"

45) Comment by Chucky - 11/10/2012

@LSUBeau80 – Well, i do not drink alcohol so that is not my concern ( wife and friends do) I think it is the issue of government knowing best for me and others. Those who will vote no, show a mind set that I believe will appear in other issues, so it is not about the drinking hours per say, but the attitude it indicates.

46) Comment by LSUBeau80 - 11/10/2012

Really Chucky? With everything going on in Baton Rouge, you decide THIS issue is going to be your litmus test?

47) Comment by LSUBeau80 - 11/10/2012

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48) Comment by Chucky - 11/10/2012

Ok, Mike Walker just lost my vote for mayor. If he wants to run the Parish like Central then he should stay in Central.

49) Comment by unevahno - 11/10/2012

Banning liquor sales on Sundays won't make for a more bountiful collection haul in church. I can forsee a compromise where the restaurants and bars sell liquor from 4pm to 10pm or 11pm on Sunday, and the stores continue to sell at 11am. (in time to get set-up for the football games)

50) Comment by Mr. T - 11/10/2012

"Gary, Marcelle, Trae Welch, Marcelle, Joel Boe, Gary, and Rodney 'Smokie' Bourgeois, a bar and restaurant owner, voted in favor.' How many votes do Gary and Marcelle get, anyway? And why is Smokie voting at all, if he has a conflict of interest?