Health-care law upheld

Roberts lends his support

“(Thursday’s) Supreme Court ruling to uphold Obamacare will not deter my efforts or those of House Republicans to replace it with something that provides affordable, quality health care.” U.S. Rep. Bill Cassidy, R-Baton Rouge

In a momentous ruling touching virtually every American, the Supreme Court narrowly upheld President Barack Obama’s historic health-care overhaul Thursday with the unlikely help of conservative Chief Justice John Roberts.

But the decision also gave Republicans unexpected ammunition to energize supporters in the battle for the White House and to fight “Obamacare” as a new tax on people who don’t obtain health insurance.

Roberts’ vote, along with those of the court’s four liberal justices, preserved the largest expansion of the nation’s social safety net in more than 45 years, including the hotly debated core requirement that nearly everyone have health insurance or pay a penalty. The aim is to extend coverage to more than 30 million people who now are uninsured.

The 5-4 decision meant the huge overhaul, still taking effect, could proceed and pick up momentum the next several years, with an impact on the way that countless Americans receive and pay for their personal medical care.

The ruling handed Obama a campaign-season victory in rejecting arguments that Congress went too far in approving the plan. However, Republicans quickly indicated they would try to use the decision against him.

At the White House, Obama declared, “Whatever the politics, today’s decision was a victory for people all over this country.”

Blocks away, GOP presidential candidate Mitt Romney renewed his criticism of the overhaul, calling it “bad law” and promising to work to repeal it if elected in November.

Judgment time

Demonstrators for and against the law crowded the grounds outside the Supreme Court Building on Capitol Hill as Roberts, sitting at the center of the nine black-robed justices inside, announced the decision to a packed courtroom.

Breaking with the other conservative justices, Roberts read the judgment that allows the law to go forward. He explained at length the court’s view of the insurance mandate as a valid exercise of Congress’ authority to “lay and collect taxes.” The administration estimates that roughly 4 million people will pay the penalty rather than buy insurance.

Congress called the payment a penalty, not a tax, but Roberts said the court would not get hung up on labels. Among other indications it is a tax, Roberts said, “the payment is collected solely by the IRS through the normal means of taxation.”

“Because the Constitution permits such a tax, it is not our role to forbid it, or to pass upon its wisdom or fairness,” Roberts said.

Stocks of hospital companies rose and some insurance companies fell after the ruling.

The decision should help hospitals by adding millions of people to the rolls of the insured, expanding the pool of health care consumers. But by the same reasoning, insurance companies will also gain millions of premium-paying customers.

Dissenters make case

The court found problems with the law’s expansion of Medicaid, but even there it said the expansion could proceed as long as the federal government does not threaten to withhold states’ entire Medicaid allotment if they don’t take part.

Justices Stephen Breyer, Ruth Bader Ginsburg, Elena Kagan and Sonia Sotomayor joined Roberts in the outcome.

Justices Samuel Alito, Anthony Kennedy, Antonin Scalia and Clarence Thomas dissented.

Kennedy summarized the dissent in the courtroom.

“In our view, the act before us is invalid in its entirety,” he said.

The dissenters said in a joint statement that the law “exceeds federal power both in mandating the purchase of health insurance and in denying non-consenting states all Medicaid funding.”

The justices rejected two of the administration’s three arguments in support of the insurance requirement. Roberts agreed with his conservative colleagues that Congress lacks the power under the Constitution’s commerce clause to put the mandate in place.

“The federal government does not have the power to order people to buy health insurance,” he said in a part of his opinion that the liberal justices did not join. But his crucial bottom line was: “The federal government does have the power to impose a tax on those without health insurance.”

In all, the justices spelled out their views in six opinions totaling 187 pages. Roberts, Kennedy and Ginsburg spent 51 minutes summarizing their views in the courtroom.

Heaping praise

The legislation passed Congress in early 2010 after a monumental struggle in which all Republicans voted against it. House Majority Leader Eric Cantor, R-Va., said Thursday the House will vote July 11 on whether to repeal the law, though such efforts have virtually no chance in the Democratic-controlled Senate.

House Speaker John Boehner, R-Ohio, said the health care law makes it harder for small businesses to hire workers. “Today’s ruling underscores the urgency of repealing this harmful law in its entirety,” he said.

But Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., heaped praise on the court’s decision, and the 2010 law, in a Senate speech. “Passing the Affordable Care Act was the greatest single step in generations toward ensuring access to affordable, quality health care for every American, regardless of where they live or how much money they make,” he said.

House Democratic Leader Nancy Pelosi cast the decision as vindication for her work to secure passage of the far-reaching legislation.

“This decision is a victory for the American people. With this ruling, Americans will benefit from critical patient protections, lower costs for the middle class, more coverage for families, and greater accountability for the insurance industry,” Pelosi said.

Following Romney

After the ruling, Republican campaign strategists said Romney will use it to continue campaigning against “Obamacare” — the name the GOP gave the plan In derision, though many Democrats now accept it — and in attacking the president’s signature health care program as a tax increase.

“Obama might have his law, but the GOP has a cause,” said veteran campaign adviser Terry Holt. “This promises to galvanize Republican support around a repeal of what could well be called the largest tax increase in American history.”

Democrats said Romney, who backed an individual health insurance mandate when he was Massachusetts governor, will have a hard time exploiting the ruling.

“Mitt Romney is the intellectual godfather of Obamacare,” said Democratic consultant Jim Manley. “The bigger issue is the rising cost of health care, and this bill is designed to deal with it.”

Ginsburg, an appointee of Democratic President Bill Clinton, said in her opinion that “Congress followed Massachusetts’ lead.”

More than eight in 10 Americans already have health insurance. But for most of the 50 million who are uninsured, the ruling offers the promise of guaranteed coverage at affordable prices. Lower-income and many middle-class families will be eligible for subsidies to help pay premiums starting in 2014.

There’s also an added safety net for all Americans, insured and uninsured. Starting in 2014, insurance companies will not be able to deny coverage for medical treatment, nor can they charge more to people with health problems. Those protections, now standard in most big employer plans, will be available to all, including people who get laid off, or leave a corporate job to launch their own small business.

Seniors also benefit from the law through better Medicare coverage for those with high prescription costs, and no copayments for preventive care. But hospitals, nursing homes, and many other service providers may struggle once the Medicare cuts used to finance the law really start to bite.

Illegal immigrants are not entitled to the new insurance coverage under the law, and will remain one of the biggest groups uninsured.

Obama’s law is by no means the last word on health care. Experts expect costs to keep rising, meaning that lawmakers will have to revisit the issue perhaps as early as next year, when federal budget woes will force them to confront painful options for Medicare and Medicaid, the giant federal programs that cover seniors, the disabled, and low-income people.

The health care overhaul focus will now quickly shift from Washington to state capitals. Only 14 states, plus Washington, D.C., have adopted plans to set up the new health insurance markets called for under the law. Called exchanges, the new markets are supposed to be up and running on Jan. 1, 2014. People buying coverage individually, as well as small businesses, will be able to shop for private coverage from a range of competing insurers.

Most Republican-led states, including large ones such as Texas and Florida, have been counting on the law to be overturned and have failed to do the considerable spade work needed to set up exchanges. There’s a real question about whether they can meet the deadline, and if they don’t, Washington will step in and run their exchanges for them.

In contrast to the states, health insurance companies, major employers, and big hospital systems are among the best prepared. Many of the changes called for in the law were already being demanded by employers trying to get better value for their private health insurance dollars.

“The main driver here is financial,” said Dr. Toby Cosgrove, CEO of the Cleveland Clinic, which has pioneered some of the changes. “The factors driving health care reform are not new, and they are not going to go away.”

The Medicaid expansion would cover an estimated 17 million people who earn too much to qualify for assistance but not enough to afford insurance. The federal and state governments share the cost, and Washington regularly imposes conditions on the states in exchange for money.

Roberts said Congress’ ability to impose those conditions has its limits. “In this case, the financial ‘inducement’ Congress has chosen is much more than ‘relatively mild encouragement’ — it is a gun to the head,” he said.

The law says the Health and Human Services Department can withhold a state’s entire Medicaid allotment if the state doesn’t comply with the health care law’s Medicaid provisions.

Even while ruling out that level of coercion, however, Roberts said nothing prevents the federal government from offering money to accomplish the expansion and withholding that money from states that don’t meet certain conditions.

“What Congress is not free to do is to penalize states that choose not to participate in that new program by taking away their existing Medicaid funding,” he said.

Ginsburg said the court should have upheld the entire law as written without forcing any changes in the Medicaid provision. She said Congress’ constitutional authority to regulate interstate commerce supports the individual mandate. She warned that the legal reasoning, even though the law was upheld, could cause trouble in future cases.

“So in the end, the Affordable Health Care Act survives largely unscathed. But the court’s commerce clause and spending clause jurisprudence has been set awry. My expectation is that the setbacks will be temporary blips, not permanent obstructions,” Ginsburg said in a statement she, too, read from the bench.

In the courtroom Thursday were retired Justice John Paul Stevens and the wives of Roberts, Alito, Breyer, Kennedy and Thomas.


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Comments (100)


1) Comment by QuietRiverRoad - 30/06/2012

Just answer the question - Did Drew Brees sign yet or not?!

2) Comment by Loki - 30/06/2012

Obama delivers a big win for entrepreneurship. People can start offering their skills without fear of health-related bankruptcy once this system is established.

3) Comment by Scrooge - 30/06/2012

As Fjsteven has the time to read these forums and post his own ad hominem parrotings, maybe he should follow his own advice and "go out and provide a Product or service to your fellow Americans that they're willing to pay for voluntarily." But he is right, time makes a mockery of all political ideology.

4) Comment by krl777 - 30/06/2012

It's RomneyObamaCare. Credit where credit is due.

5) Comment by Fjsteven - 29/06/2012

DMJ and Captain Haddock Do you two have jobs? Who has the time to spend as much time on the keyboard pontificating aout the wonders of all powerful central government? No wonder you are so excited to see the government take people's money and redistribute it to all your pet causes. Why don't you go out and provide a Product or service to your fellow Americans that they're willing to pay for voluntarily.

6) Comment by Fjsteven - 29/06/2012

DMJ and Captain Haddock Do you two have jobs? Who has the time to spend as much time on the keyboard pontificating aout the wonders of all powerful central government? No wonder you are so excited to see the government take people's money and redistribute it to all your pet causes. Why don't you go out and provide a Product or service to your fellow Americans that they're willing to pay for voluntarily.

7) Comment by CaptainHaddock - 29/06/2012

As habitual posters on a local message board, saying the same dozen things to the same dozen people, every day, week after week, after month after year, none of us can afford to affect any air of superiority, me least of all. You cant help but feel 'unclean' after a while, a feeling i know we all share.This is not the domain of the overachiever and all our hue and cry amounts to little more feedback - fun and games. As such its harmless, but no participant in such frivolity has earned themselves any right to suffocating smugness, especially if they themselves are unable to stay out of the ball pit for any length of time. In fact, i think i'll quit now...

8) Comment by CaptainHaddock - 29/06/2012

Ive seen that used as an excuse before. Sarcasm lest we forget is the lowest form of wit and is nothing if not a natural bedfellow with self righteousness, another accusation that has been leveled by more than one.................................and further...

9) Comment by nimby? - 29/06/2012

"the problem with sarcasm is that not everyone gets it" , Ray Wylie Hubbard ; so much for the superior intellect ...

10) Comment by CaptainHaddock - 29/06/2012

"im right and your in idiot..." Irony can be cruel. While awash in smug condescension, such a statement hold only one meaning - you're right and all else are idiots.

11) Comment by nimby? - 29/06/2012

I'm right and you're an idiot , yeah , check please ....

12) Comment by KilgoreTrout - 29/06/2012

If the ability to express oneself is an indication of the degree of critical thinking and the ability to think for oneself than the correlations of these posts are obvious. If the capability to write is lacking, just insert "liberal" in the missive to assure the attention of those most like yourself. I doubt the practitioners of this dubious craft even understand the significance and implications, they are just doing what they have been programmed to do by an excess of shallow airwaves. Just like cockroaches, freedom and liberty indeed,>

13) Comment by KilgoreTrout - 29/06/2012

In 1790, the very first Congress—which incidentally included 20 original framers—passed a law that included a mandate: namely, a requirement that ship owners buy medical insurance for their seamen. This law was then signed by another framer: President George Washington. That’s right, the father of our country had no difficulty imposing a health insurance mandate. So much for the bovine load dropping about the founding fathers and "patriotism".

14) Comment by The_Host - 29/06/2012

So it was never going to be a tax until they argued in court it was legal based on it being a tax. Then the SCOTUS agrees with them and says YEP that's a tax alright. Only to then have the people that argued for it as being a tax look us in the eye and tell us it is not really a tax. Honestly you can't make up such a ridiculous set of flip flopping if you tried. It is, it's not, but it is, but its not but it is, but its not. It can't be both so which is it? SCOTUS says it is a TAX. The fact those who wanted this all along never said it was a tax then changed their view to argue the case then changed it back doesn't make it any less of a TAX. How many videos can you watch of them saying it was not a tax before they passed it before you have to admit they claimed all along it was NOT A TAX? How do people allow themselves to believe in people that are such obvious LIARS no matter what party they belong to? The fact that the liberals are STILL saying this is not a tax is beyond comprehension. I guess water is no longer composed of 2 parts Hydrogen and 1 part Oxygen any longer as well.

15) Comment by Tea_Slayer - 29/06/2012

Well, the Louisiana National Guard has had some good experience dealing with insurgents over the past 10 years. I don't think mark's band of "patriots" will pose any real threat.

16) Comment by CaptainHaddock - 29/06/2012

"I guess the fun is over. mark must be out on maneuvers with his revolutionary army right now" I suspect youre right. However, they will soon tire, and move on to their revolutionary army friday night get together at IHOP for the all-you-can-eat pancake special. Then, they will return to their parents basements, alone, and log on...

17) Comment by CaptainHaddock - 29/06/2012

You make a good point on leadership mr gofigger, and it doesnt help that case of marks feeble threats of middle aged weekend warrior revolution. Those past men were the elites of their time - enlightenment figures of international renown. They were statesmen, intellectuals, the elite. Indeed, by todays GOP standards, they were liberal pantywaists, atheists, college boys, science nerds and such. They certainly werent fire breathing fundamentalists, creationists, or anti-intellectuals of the modern GOP. But no matter, they were men of distinction and all knew it. Now, do you see a correlation with marks sorry brand of modern flabby 'revolutionary'? A few thousand poorly educated and resentful militia men, some chubby weekend warriors, a smattering of skin heads, and assorted far right flotsam of the McVeigh type. Social outcasts, misanthropes, and malcontents to a man. Is that the stuff revolution is made of? No thte first one. Do you think Jefferson spent all his time on chat sites hoping someone else would go ahead and have a quick revolution? You are right, todays leaders are not the same. But todays 'revolutionaries' inspire little more than laughter (or in McVeighs case, revulsion. Which reminds me, wasnt Mark accused in his lawsuit against being locked up in the mental unit for 2 weeks of making threatening phone calls to legislators that praised Tim McVeigh and his terrorism that killed women and children? I think he was).

18) Comment by nimby? - 29/06/2012

this will be a plus for the insurance industry , hospitals , research groups and pharmaceutical companies while putting further strain on the dwindling number of practicing physicians and TAX payers who will still be providing free health care to the entitled ....

19) Comment by CaptainHaddock - 29/06/2012

I almost forgot Republicans Freed the Slaves and Dems Supported Segregation. All true, but thats why party labels are meaningless historically. Liberals freed the salve (liberal means free after all) and at the time they were Republicans. White democrats controlled the south for decades, and were severely conservative, only breaking off from the national Dems during the Civil Rights wars, becoming the dixiecrats for a while favoring segregation, and then folding into the GOP, which of course controls the south as its only reliable voting bloc today. Im surprised noone has yet brought up that hackneyed argument. Being Stupid usually does, but only as part of his satire of far right fools. Conservatives (be they GOP dems or dixies) have fought every minority entering the american experience since 1777, racial or otherwise. So far theyve lost every one of those wars, to the betterment of our republic. Just ask any woman that likes to vote. Right now, its gays and muslims, and (non Cuban) hispanics in the crosshairs. Those quixotic efforts at exclusion too will fail. History marches on and the white straight christian hand wringing over whats left of our (once great) republic continues. Be of good cheer. Jesus himself was a white straight republican, and will return soon to put those uppity blacks, women, atheists, muslims, poor people, gays, jews, chinamen, liberals, college boys, pacifists, and vegetarians in their place. Probably.

20) Comment by gofigger - 29/06/2012

@CAPHAD - they would have been too afraid of the colonist kicking their arses. The leaders then were nothing like these back stabbers we have running this country today.

21) Comment by CaptainHaddock - 29/06/2012

The excuse we so often hear is that nonwhites are duped by the dems into servitude (how insulting is that?) and that true freedom lies with the GOP! Dems are the actual racists, with their foodstamps and big brother dependence. In the GOP, all are equal under Jesus. A helping had up, not a handout. Oh, and you, the new black kenyan president intruder guy? We'd like to see ALL of your birth certificates, and when you show them, well then we wont believe them anyway. And youre a muslim (cause all black people are secret muslims) and hate america, cause you cant even prove youre even american. Reagans certificate? Never saw it, never needed to! Or either Bush, or Nixon, or etc etc. Just look at those guys! Tell me they arent american! Heck, they look and sound american (if you know what i mean). This Hussein guy? Looks kinda dusky - funny a-rab name. What more do you need? He's al Quida through and through! He's name is Hussein for christs sake! But dont forget, the GOP is where non whites are welcome! Party for whites only? Where did you hear that. Were insulted, insulted, i tell you!

22) Comment by Tea_Slayer - 29/06/2012

I guess the fun is over. mark must be out on maneuvers with his revolutionary army right now

23) Comment by Tea_Slayer - 29/06/2012

43 listed on the CBC website, wiki had 42 with 2 being non-voting delegates. Either way, there is only one (R) in the whole group

24) Comment by CaptainHaddock - 29/06/2012

Of greater concern to the GOP - only 7 (7!) latino congressmen in that party, and one senator! Couple this with Romneys latino kryptonite, and you have a recipe for future disaster. Right now, straight white christians are indeed the majority. They wont be forever, and the GOP continues to alienate any and all non white non fundamentalists non straight voters. There will always be about the same number of women and gay people, so no great concern there - you can affortd to lose all the gay people and moderate women. But minority voeters are only growing in number, and the GOP (with the exception of cubans) is hardly proving itself an open and welcoming door. Reap what you sew i guess.

25) Comment by Tea_Slayer - 29/06/2012

CBC members - 43 (but that includes Allen West who voted Aye) Number that walked out (or were absent) - 108

26) Comment by CaptainHaddock - 29/06/2012

42 in the CBC. How many black GOP congressmen are there? 2! Yes, 2! How many GOP congressmen or senators are latino, or gay, or nonchristian? One hand is all you need. Thats your big tent right there! Nonwhites (like the CBC) believe the GOP is a whites-only club, with a few tokens for good measure (poor old JC Watts was paraded around for years). If you were alive in the aftermath of the Civil Rights act, and remembered Nixon's Southern Strategy of winning over southern whites to the GOP after decades of democratic allegiance, you will understand this distrust.

27) Comment by Tea_Slayer - 29/06/2012

@CH, Congressional Pasty White Guy Caucus walked out on contempt vote for Josh Bolten and Harriet Miers in 2008. Hmmmmm.....

28) Comment by CaptainHaddock - 29/06/2012

Thats right they did. But so what? They were a small minority of the walkout. Isnt it only 42 members? And doesnt alter the fact that A. noone cares about it and B. it was nakedly politically motivated. As a result, it has no weight, carries no stigma, and noone gives a hoot. Speaking of the CBC, you know, it mystifies me, but there are those who are non-white, non-male, non-straight, non-conservative, or non-fundamentalist christain who consider the republican party to be antagnositic to their interests. At best. Cant imagine why.

29) Comment by Whatnow - 29/06/2012

Just one more scandal that voters won't forget come 2012. The Dems think we are all stupid and will forget, but we won't. All this on top of a pitiful economy that Obama promised to fix in three years or he was outta here! Heck, he just gave the illegals working papers. That ought to do it.

30) Comment by Whatnow - 29/06/2012

@CH, Congressional Black Caucus Walks out on Contempt Vote. Hmmmm....

31) Comment by CaptainHaddock - 29/06/2012

Do you know anyone that doesnt have contempt for congress? Noone noticed, noone cares. Even Fox could only froth at the mouth for so long before Obamacare got them back on topic. Judicial reviews have dried up for the GOP and repeal is simply not on the card - they dont have the numbers and wont for years, if ever (a 60 vote majority in the senate is not likely for either party for a generation). Notice that the DOW is up 250 point or so today. Strange that the corporate sector is responding so favorably to this communist assault on freedom and commerce by the kenyan anti capitalist communist zionist indonesian socialist private-sector-hating beelzebub (in other words, he's still black).

32) Comment by Tea_Slayer - 29/06/2012

Holder's Contempt of Congress vote bipartisan? HA!!!!!! Ayes - 238 (R), 17 (D), Noes - 2 (R), 65 (D), Present - 1 (D), NV - 1 (R), 108 (D) --- http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2012/roll441.xml

33) Comment by Being_Stupid - 29/06/2012

☭Obamacare = Revolutionary Suicide☭

34) Comment by CaptainHaddock - 29/06/2012

Mark didnt win anything. His less-than-credible lawsuit never even went to trial before his 'servants' offered him a bribe to go away and keep his mouth shut. In true patriotic fashion, he threw this hush money back in their faces, demanded his day in court, followed up to the full extent of the law, proved his case, and sent those overzealous officer/criminals down! No, wait, he took the cash and promised to keep quiet. That tends to be the way with frivolous lawsuits. Is that your idea of 'winning'? I dont recall Washington, Jefferson, or Adams accepting a cash payout from King George if they would only drop their little revolution and go away quietly. Do you? Imagine if they had! See the distinction between actual revolutionary patriots, and wannabe keyboard heroes? Now, Mark, tell us about these rental properties you own that provide you Section 8 money in lieu of rent, and under which article of the constitution can that provision be found? I make none of my money from the federal government, and bought my own transportation. If that makes me a socialist statist, then that puts you on very shaky ground (just a hunch, but I think people are still on to you – it’s the same weapons grade baloney you sold before you were run off last time – new material, man, its way past time).

35) Comment by Tea_Slayer - 29/06/2012

Crackpot Conservatives have their own flavor of Kool-Aid. Its called very weak tea....

36) Comment by markedwardmarchiafava - 29/06/2012

Persons of statist leanings are not capable of understanding when their servants violate the rights of their masters, they are held liable and must pay. Instead of demanding their servants obey the law and avoid such future settlements, the statists amongst us continue to cheer them on. God save (what's left of) the Republic.

37) Comment by gofigger - 29/06/2012

Ride on Mark! At least you stood up to the government, and won! Libbies probably would have said....."Oh, Mr. Policeman, you are right because you are the law. Please lock me up and give me three squares and a cot and I'll be happy."

38) Comment by DMJ - 29/06/2012

Frustrated, I think you got your wish, bub.

39) Comment by Frustrated - 29/06/2012

I'd rather be a Crackpot Conservative than a Kool Aid Drinking Liberal any day.

40) Comment by Being_Stupid - 29/06/2012

Once Obamascare and Government Micromanagement takes over the entire Insurance and Medical Sector of our economy, I look forward to getting quick and affordable healthcare in India.

41) Comment by nimby? - 29/06/2012

yesterday the supreme court rendered their decision , in november the voters will render theirs . wondering what the subsidies paid to those who say they cannot afford the cost (or fine) are going to be called ? perhaps an automatic deduction is in order .....

42) Comment by gvm - 29/06/2012

@markedwardmarchiafava: knock, knock

43) Comment by Tea_Slayer - 29/06/2012

i sure hope mark doesn't get banned from posting here. he is way too funny. I really have missed him. I just wish he would get some new material.

44) Comment by Tea_Slayer - 29/06/2012

CaptainHaddock, a small point of correction. Mark sued the Gonzales PD so he would have only had to go door to door in Gonzales to "steal" from the residents

45) Comment by Lannonmac - 29/06/2012

Wow, Markedward is a really tough customer! Inviting all “Liberals/socialist/statist” to come over to his house and “steal” from him. I guess that will teach those commies who is boss! Got to say I am quaking in my boots from his redneck bravado.

46) Comment by ex-louisianian - 29/06/2012

The Affordable Care Act doesn't nearly go far enough. The US needs at least a public option, or to regulate the health care industry into a non-profit public utiity.

47) Comment by CaptainHaddock - 29/06/2012

As for Holder, Its all over the news, including CNN and the liberal MSM, and yet the liberal MSM media is ignoring it because he's a black democrat. Hmmm!

48) Comment by CaptainHaddock - 29/06/2012

And yet mark was more than happy to let the government do his 'stealing' when it came time to cash in on his tanger lawsuit scam. I don’t recall mark knocking on the doors of every ascension parish taxpayer to 'steal' their money for his new motorbike. Also, seems like my taxes are paying for his section 8 rental properties. Don’t recall him knocking on my door and asking politely. Funny how hollow macho rhetoric becomes when accompanied by completely different self-serving actions.

49) Comment by DMJ - 29/06/2012

Even Charles Krauthammer and George Will said this ruling is, in part, a victory for conservatives. Perhaps we should all take a deep breath. Mark, come back from the ledge, buddy.

50) Comment by Whatnow - 29/06/2012

Holders contempt citation is all over the news, CH. And it must be a BIPARTISAN political theater. You don't think it's newsworthy that the United States Attorney General was found in criminal and civil contempt of Congress? It would be if he were white and Republican, I'm sure. It would be all over the liberal MSM as horrific! I just read about it on CNN, CSNBC and other MSM sites, CH. Just another Obama Administration scandal, amongst others, that you don't want to talk about, just like the Advocate? Yeah, blame it on Fox. I guess it's okay since Obama is protecting him and Holder is protecting Obama. Maybe they can go down together.

51) Comment by DMJ - 29/06/2012

Someone's off their meds...

52) Comment by markedwardmarchiafava - 29/06/2012

NOTE TO LIBERALS / SOCIALISTS / STATISTS / You do not have the right to steal from your neighbors. If you truly think you do, come knock on MY door and do the stealing in person.

53) Comment by DMJ - 29/06/2012

Liberals pay taxes too. You don't get to opt out of taxes if you check the 'liberal' box on your IRS forms. In fact, there is no political affiliation box on any IRS form. The U.S. government is an equal opportunity taxer. And it's not like we like to pay taxes either. Who does? We just think, sometimes, taxes are the lesser of two evils. In this case, a tax is preferable to not having health insurance. Clearer now, Frustrated? We liberals have skin in the game just like you do, bub.

54) Comment by markedwardmarchiafava - 29/06/2012

@Frustrated, you need not worry, you won't be frustrated much longer, REAL change is brewing, it's so obvious even Ray Charles can see it coming and he's both blind AND dead.

55) Comment by CaptainHaddock - 29/06/2012

Holders contempt citation is blatant political theater, and only Foxnews seems to think it newsworthy. Still waiting on Mark to respond on the allegation that he accepts Section 8 money for rental properties he owns. His silence, as always speaks volumes! The revolution will be a long time coming if the aging weekend warriors cant get out from behind their keyboards. As for Churchill, it’s wise to know a thing or three about his attitudes to socialism before cutting and pasting a quote from Limbaugh. A European conservative is a different beast from an American one, as we all know. Euro conservatives consider their US counterparts to be extremists, while the US would consider the attitudes of Churchill or any other Euro conservative tantamount to communism under current rules. They aren’t the same. This same freedom lovin’ right winger Churchill we mythically remember was in fact an opportunist party hopper. He switched from the Liberal to Conservative party – and then back again, when his career opportunities favored the new affiliation. On top of that, in 1943 he responded to the Beveridge Report (a socialist condemnation of social ills that promoted a multi step governmental plan to provide societal equality, income equality, and education equality) by publically endorsing a program of social insurance, very similar to our own Social Security. You know – socialism? Also, after assuming his third term in the 1950s, his administration determined that the newly-implemented National Health Service (imposed to patch up the pathetic levels of underinsurance and a feeble charity hospital system)was in fact very successful, and if anything, underfunded centrally. Go easy on Churchill – he was not the right wing regressive warrior Foxnews would lead you to believe in. He was a Euro conservative, which by our standards might as well be a Kenyan communist Muslim.

56) Comment by Lannonmac - 29/06/2012

Markedward, you understand that in the South, the American Civil War was known as the “Second American Revolution”, so your Second Amendment solution would be the “Third American Revolution.” Why is it when Crackpot Conservatives talk about overthrowing the US Government it is seen as patriotism? Just wondering

57) Comment by Whatnow - 29/06/2012

Don't you find it strange that the Advocate didn't print anything about Eric Holder's bipartisan charge of contempt this morning? Gee, I wonder why?

58) Comment by Frustrated - 29/06/2012

Liberals love to spend other peoples money as long as it's not their money. Here are the unintended consequences of ACA: Insurance premiums will go up, insurance companies will go bust, employers will drop employee insurance coverage because it's cheaper to pay the "tax", there will not be enough doctors to support the system, most doctors will stop accepting Medicare patients, and the quality of health care will be substandard. Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery. - Winston Churchill

59) Comment by markedwardmarchiafava - 29/06/2012

I am soooooooooo looking forward to the 2nd American revolution. While only a handful of Amerikans will actually learn anything, it will at least thin the herd of intentionally ignorant persons.

60) Comment by Whatnow - 29/06/2012

"We can't expect the American people to jump from capitalism to communism, but we can assist their elected leaders in giving them small doses of socialism, until they awaken one day to find that they have communism."--Soviet dictator Nikita Khrushchev

61) Comment by Lannonmac - 29/06/2012

I got to agree with Being_Stupid on this one. First the Government takes away the right to mooch off taxpayers by not buying health insurance, followed by an avalanche of regulation and then an erosion of freedom. Soon there will be laws against same sex marriage, reproductive freedom and easy voter registration.

62) Comment by Being_Stupid - 29/06/2012

☭TYRANNY WILL BE ESTABLISHED IN STEPS☭

63) Comment by DMJ - 29/06/2012

For those really, really upset about the ruling....and for those really, really happy about it, I'd suggest reading the unusually good analysis of the ruling in today's Washington Post. Liberal Ezra Klein and conservatives George Will and Charles Krauthammer did a pretty good job explaining how both sides won (or lost). You see....John Roberts agreed with the conservatives on the question of the role of government as it employes the Commerce Clause. Plus, he gave the states a new option when it comes to Medicaid. However, the law remains intact and the only way it's going to get repealed is the same way it got passed - a new president and a 60 seat majority. Not likely to happen soon, if ever again. So....read up and then cheer up....unless you still think the president is a muslim in which case....grow up.

64) Comment by CaptainHaddock - 29/06/2012

Taking a more sober approach - does anyone really think the GOP will flip 10 senate seats this November? Thats what they need along with a presidential victory to repeal anything and its all but impossible. As it is they are in real danger of losing the house after the missteps of the last 2 years. Its all local, remember. Add to that the irony that, of all the people they could have nominated for president, all those millions of right wingers, they chose a New England french speaking multimillionaire who's own signature legislation, Romneycare, provided the basis for the illegal mandate they so rail against. And of course there are hours of footage of Romney enthusiastically defending his health plan and his mandate, ready for use in commercials against him for the next 6 months. In other words, repeal is not going anywhere, any more than the promised repeal of medicare that so many right wing seniors now enjoy (funny, isnt it, how your perception of government changes when you start getting paid). This election as all elections are, will be about the economy and will be determined by swing states, and turnout figures of moderates and independents. That’s how all elections are won and lost. Romney has to win Florida or its all over. Its possible, but a lot of seniors live there, and they just love government medicine. A lot of latinos live there, and they love the DREAM act and obamacare. He has to tread very carefully to keep the far right bible crowd and pretend patriots, while not alienating the people that actually decide elections - the great middle. You go nominating moderate big government new englanders, that’s what you get. On Nov 6, obamacare will not even raise an electoral eyebrow. Economy and jobs will send Obama back for 4 years or home to Chicago. Romney can certainly win it, but he wont win it by reminding everyone of obamacare, which brings up romneycare, and that’s his own weakest spot.

65) Comment by Being_Stupid - 29/06/2012

☭MANDATORY HEALTH INSURANCE FOR ALL☭ The next step is to lower health care costs by regulation of personal lifestyle. Tax all cigarattes and alcohol. Abolish fast food, donuts, potato chips, cookies, transfats, mayonaise, ranch dressing, tanning booths, and coca cola. No more butter allowed on popcorn at movie theaters. 11pm to 7am Cirfew Laws to ensure that all people get proper 8 hours of sleep. ☭BIG BROTHER WILL PROTECT YOU AND YOUR HEALTH☭YOU WILL BUY HEALTH INSURANCE☭

66) Comment by Lannonmac - 29/06/2012

Attila, better not fly Old Glory upside down, because that is one of the things the Black Helicopters look for! You would be better off hiding in the foxhole in your back yard and avoiding eye contact with ZOG/Illuminati/Kenyan/Communist/Socialist/Democratic agents disguised mailmen.

67) Comment by LSUinVail - 29/06/2012

You must remember, this is the same scotus the gave us Citizens United, ya know, telling us that corporations are people. It's all about money, the rich guys getting richer and us middle class having to shoulder the burden. I love our country...but the lies and shenanigans perpetrated by our politicians is getting ridiculous...what is equally mind- blowing is that there are huge contingents that excuse this type of behavior, they are not concerned with results, only with whether it makes them feel good. Very little backbone left in our country anymore, sad really.

68) Comment by CaptainHaddock - 29/06/2012

'Communist muslim' - you forgot Kenyan!

69) Comment by Attila - 29/06/2012

I have displayed the American flag in my yard for over 30 years. I served my country in the U. S. Navy. I have always been proud to be an American. My faith in this country was dealt a serious blow by the ludicrous, wrong headed decision by the SCOTUS on Obamacare. My flag will still be flying on the Fourth of July, The only difference is that it is now flying upside down, and will remain that way until the Communist Muslim President, and the socialists in the Senate are defeated. God Bless America....we are really going to need it going forward.

70) Comment by DMJ - 29/06/2012

All that being said, I think we should take it easy on the right-wingers. They had a bad week and all, but they're still Americans, still our neighbors. Sure, they take refuge in ridiculous hyperbole and fake outrage but that's no excuse for us joining them on the low road of public discourse.

71) Comment by CaptainHaddock - 29/06/2012

DMJ makes a good point. Al these clowns leaving the country must be leaving for a state that exemplifies limited government and certainly has no health care governmental provision. That rules out Canada, Europe, Japan, Australia, N Zealand, Korea (south), Taiwan, even old Cuba! Looks like the third world for them, I suppose. But wait, in such ravaged countries, you actually have to walk the walk. There isnt a choice. You see, here in the good ol USA, you can rail against he government, secure in knowing it will still be there to give you SS and medicare, and nice roads, and libraries, and motorbikes, and inspect your food and water, and keep your air clean, and afford you free legal defense, and constitutional rights, and a speedy trial, and habeas corpus, and judicial review, and on and on and on. These small government utopias these fakers keep threatening to leave for? They may be in for a surprise. Living a life of small government in such an environment can be a shock to the system. Its not just paying for your own motorbike you know. There’s a lot more to it than that. I know, I lived there. All the spoiled-child bleating because a duly elected body passed legislation that then passed judicial review from the highest court in accordance with constitutional procedure, being ‘tyrrany’ is laughable and yet pathetic. Taking your ball and going home, eh? Live for a while in sub-Saharan Africa, or a banana republic, or a former Soviet dictatorship (maybe ending in ‘stan’) and see what your vision of small government looks like in practice. Make you grow up real quick, I can tell you. Ive seen it. Could that be why none of them ever actually leave? What do you think?

72) Comment by Lannonmac - 29/06/2012

DMJ—Thanks! I have come to the conclusion that being rational in the face of such rampant irrationality is futile, so I decided to embrace irrationality and make my opinions known through farce! If you can’t beat the idiots, make fun of them!

73) Comment by CaptainHaddock - 29/06/2012

In other hilarious pretend-patriot news, far right militia savior Ron Paul was embarrassed on TV the other night when asked if he received Social Security. Of course, he had to admit that he did. His son, remember, another fake small government patriot, was happy to take half of his medical earnings from medicare patients because, famously,' he was 'entitled to make a living'. May the chains of hypocrisy rest lightly upon their bones. Government is always the enemy (until that Social Security check, or medicare reimbursement, or Section 8 payment, or shiny new motorbike, arrives)

74) Comment by mcBR - 29/06/2012

WWJD

75) Comment by CaptainHaddock - 29/06/2012

Mark That’s a quote from William Pierce isn’t it? I joke of course (but you know who he is). Funny that you should bring up the term ‘slavery’ and Jefferson at the same time – that conflicted and astonishing man of course famous for his predilection for his female slaves. A complex man, and a pragmatist above all else. What was he not? A simple minded zealot, a one-track ideologue, an inflexible adolescent. Such men don’t win revolutions, they merely talk about them. Now, I’ll try again, as it is germane to (what’s left of) your credibility. Do you own rental properties that house resident who receive section 8 federal housing subsidies? We know the government provides your transportation. Does it also provide your income? It’s a very simple question. What say you?

76) Comment by DMJ - 29/06/2012

Lannonmac, you're cracking me up! I remarked to a friend yesterday that it's difficult to distinguish between people who are genuinely fearful of the outcome of yesterday's ruling and those who are engaging in satire and parody. People have been going nuts talking about communism, Hitler, tyranny, blah, blah, blah.... The funniest ones were those who said they were leaving the country because of this. Where would they go?! Any place worth living has insurance mandates as well!! Hahaha!! I guess some are just upset that we're joining the rest of the civilized world in trying to achieve universal health care. Nooooooo!!!!!!! This whole thing has become ridiculous.

77) Comment by markedwardmarchiafava - 29/06/2012

"May the chains of slavery rest lightly upon your bones. " Any of you diehard socialists/statists even have a clue who that quote is attributed to and why?

78) Comment by CaptainHaddock - 29/06/2012

As far as I know mark has been parroting his cut and paste slogans at WAFB. Revolutions typically arent engineered by old men behind keyboards waiting for someone else to do the actual work. Dont recall Jefferson sitting around asking everyone else when the revolution will be, do you? I see mark has been run off WAFB it seems. Nice to have him back. Looking forward to 'land of the free? LOL' and 'god save (whats left) of our great republic' and other favorites we have loved. Greatest hits. It seems a few folk at wafb accused mark of owning some rental properties in the Gardere area that were not in great shape, and housed Section 8 occupants. Of course, landlords recieve that rental money from the federal government, dont they? Hardly a provision of the constitution. Mark, can you categorically (and honestly) deny or affirm that you own rental properties that and recieve federal section 8 payments? As for forced healthcare, the law provides no such provision. Noone has to buy anything, but it you choose not to, then you pay a higher tax rate, which is a constitutional provision of government. Im out on a limb, but perhaps, just perhaps, supreme court justices are a little more constitutionally savvy than MEM. Perhaps? Wait til you hear his argument against DUI checkpoints. Its hilarious.

79) Comment by Lannonmac - 29/06/2012

BEWARE! The voices in my head just told me that jackbooted storm troopers are on their way to make us BUY HEALTH INSURACE!! It is the End of Days! The Apocalypse is upon us!

80) Comment by Lannonmac - 29/06/2012

I suggest that everyone upset by the Supreme Court’s ruling should gather in Tiger Stadium and stage a huge protest! That way the Black Helicopters (piloted by UN trained Kenyans and funded by the Zionist Occupation Government) can get your photograph and inform the Illuminati of your disobedience to the State.

81) Comment by markedwardmarchiafava - 29/06/2012

Preaching the very principles upon which this once-great Republic was founded is now considered nonsensical. Just proves how far we've strayed.

82) Comment by DMJ - 29/06/2012

Republicans have already wasted 2 years (and god knows how much money) fighitng the Affordable Care Act; now they've vowed to keep wasting time and money?! Wow...what leadership from the Louisiana GOP. What moral fortitude it must take to vow to keep fighting a losing battle no matter the cost! Pathetic. Oh, and of course Cassidy is against it; the current health care system made him and his friends rich.

83) Comment by Tea_Slayer - 29/06/2012

ah, i do miss mark's nonsensical rants. I thought the revolution was supposed to start a while back? You been in training? is that why you have been absent? And if so, why didn't you invite CBCS?

84) Comment by markedwardmarchiafava - 29/06/2012

Basically, the not-so-supreme court DID reinstate slavery, or did you miss that? Forced healthcare DOES equal communism, socialism, etc. Just cannot wait for the cure Jefferson prescribed, it's long, long overdue.

85) Comment by Lannonmac - 29/06/2012

Wow, to read some of the comments one would think that the Supreme Court just reinstated slavery, rather than upholding a law that requires everyone to buy health insurance. It is not as if health insurance is an unnecessary thing and that the Affordable Care Act forces US citizens to buy bass boats that never get used or guns that gather dust in the drawer. No, in point of fact EVERYONE gets sick; EVERYONE needs medical care for themselves and their family, and EVERYONE should pay for what they get, rather than freeloading off the responsible folks. It is simply irrational to think that healthcare reform is a plot to steal your freedom. Of course it comes as no surprise that the crack-pot right wing (that now forms the Republican majority) is irrational. After all, it is the same bunch that wants to ride around on motorcycles without helmets and that the President is a secret Islamic Kenyan. Get a grip folks, just calm down and take your medication. Healthcare reform DOES NOT equal communism, socialism, fascism or despotism, though it does display a fair amount of pragmatism.

86) Comment by markedwardmarchiafava - 29/06/2012

welcome to BE back ! Hopefully, this latest debacle will be the catalyst for REAL change, the kind Jefferson and others predicted would follow the natural course of humanity. And not a moment too soon, either.

87) Comment by Being_Stupid - 29/06/2012

☭☭☭☭☭☭☭☭ LONG LIVE SOCIALISM ☭☭☭☭☭☭☭

88) Comment by gvm - 29/06/2012

@8point6: just curious...what color is the sky in your world?

89) Comment by Being_Stupid - 29/06/2012

Long Live The United Socialist States of America!!! Long live our Soviet motherland, Great Lenin lead us! Our eyes saw the bright sun of freedom above, And Stalin our leader with faith in the people, Inspire us to build up the land that we love. The Great Soviet American Union will live through the ages.

90) Comment by CountryBoysCanSurvive - 29/06/2012

Welcome back Mark, it's good to see you back!

91) Comment by 8point6 - 29/06/2012

john roberts must have gotten a tidy little "gift" from hussein for his vote. Maybe not as much as mary got for her "yes" vote on obamacare.

92) Comment by ABayouBoy - 29/06/2012

Send us your tired, huddled masses....we will accept illegals, and grand them citizenship, an education, healthcare, and so much more.

93) Comment by jdk944 - 29/06/2012

lovemykids = Socialist, yea we got that!!

94) Comment by nimby? - 29/06/2012

the supreme court decided this WAS a tax and returned it to its' authors lap . november will tell whether or not the people want this ....

95) Comment by markedwardmarchiafava - 29/06/2012

And the reason those other unconstitutional money grabs were described as such is due to the fact they ARE part of a long-planned socialist agenda. And yes, you ARE welcome.

96) Comment by lovemykids - 29/06/2012

SOCIALIST AGENDA!!!!!!!!! The same words used to fight social security, medicare, medicaid, the education department, car insurance, and etc.

97) Comment by arin - 29/06/2012

But nothing is free and soon all of you will realize it.

98) Comment by arin - 29/06/2012

Free food, free housing, free cellphones. Now free healthcare. Why does anyone need to work?

99) Comment by markedwardmarchiafava - 29/06/2012

No, the only people who will suffer are those who produce, as the fruits of their labor will be stolen to finance this insane socialist agenda. The 2nd American revolution cannot be far away.

100) Comment by Get Real - 29/06/2012

So now maybe these jars set up at convenience stores to help this person and that person with medical expenses will go away. It looks like to me the only people who suffer with this are doctors like Cassidy and insurance companies because now they have to compete.