New school district foes: It would cripple system

Allowing a slice of East Baton Rouge Parish’s southeastern section to form its own school district would cripple the public school system financially and possibly lead to new desegregation litigation, opponents of the group said Tuesday night.

“This splits the parish racially, and it splits the parish economically,” said Belinda Davis, an assistant professor of political science at LSU who spoke to about 50 parents and other community members attending an informational meeting hosted at the parish’s main library by One Community, One Voice, a group opposed to the plan.

“This is a collection of neighborhoods, not a city,” Davis said

Creation of the district would set a precedent for “country club school districts,” Davis said.

Senate Bill 563 cleared the House Appropriations Committee on Monday. The bill, along with a proposed constitutional amendment that is also awaiting a House vote, are both needed for the change to move forward.

The ballot measure, Senate Bill 209, requires 70 votes, or a two-thirds majority.

“The business community is very concerned about this,” said Danny Montalero, who spoke on behalf of the Baton Rouge Area Chamber. “Nothing is more important for job creation than education.”

Montalero, who chairs the Chamber’s Education Issues Council, said the full implications of the plan are not yet understood.

“Our biggest fear is that this will become a reality without citizens understanding the consequences,” he said. It would be a “minor train wreck” if the district were allowed to secede from the East Baton Rouge Parish school system.

Both Montalero and Davis said the creation of the new district could lead to a revival of desegregation litigation in East Baton Rouge Parish.

“The Department of Justice will be paying attention to us,” Davis said.

The boundaries for the proposed Southeast Baton Rouge Community School District would be from the Interstate 10/Interstate 12 split to the parish line. If approved by the Legislature and voters statewide and parishwide, the 10-school district would become the parish’s fourth. Central, Zachary and Baker have their own school systems following voter-approved splits from the parish school system.

Proponents of the new school system said the arguments presented at the meeting were nothing new.

More than half of the students in the new district would be minority students, said Lionel Rainey, a spokesman for Local Schools for Local Children, a group that supports the plan.

“We’ve heard their arguments loud and clear,” said Rainey, who attended Tuesday night’s meeting. “It’s not about money, it’s not about race, it’s about power and control.”

Several parents who attended the meeting expressed anger about the plan.

“I am very concerned that it will go through,” Patty Herke said. “East Baton Rouge Parish is doing a lot of good stuff, and this will divide the city.”

“To be perfectly honest, I think its more racially motivated,” Ronnie Bell said. “They are saving their kids but not thinking about the kids they are leaving behind.”

Neither Herke nor Bell live in the proposed district but said they send their children to public schools in East Baton Rouge parish and are concerned about the impact the plan would have on the entire school system.


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1) Comment by WhoCares - 18/05/2012

I think the BRHS is great for 1273 kids lucky enough to get in there. Too bad for the other 9,000 Highschool students in this city.

2) Comment by WhoCares - 18/05/2012

Scrooge touché. Dawson minority does not mean just black.

3) Comment by Scrooge - 17/05/2012

WhoCares, quite an appropriate nom de moyenne. Regardless of all else, these arguments which at their most base level really concern genetics do not quite inspire confidence in a new intellectual paradise in SE Baton Rouge, if one considers inherited traits. As a matter of fact, Forrest Gump, that paragon of southern insight, might have made the perfect observation, "Stupid is as stupid does", a tradition in Louisiana. But hope falls eternal, there is still LSU football which validates the desperate grasping for meaning, right? Maybe the matriculators will stay in these nice inbred neighborhoods, the colleges are about shot now and getting worse anyway in support of an ideology which revels in and profits from the ignorance . This is still Louisiana, one of the worst just about any way one slices it, above or below the interstate, this neighborhood or that, even a birthright in Louisiana tends to follow the same dumb course. Lost in all this blather is the fact that the majority in Louisiana is still, in measures of intellectual and academic achievement, a distinct minority in the nation and dividing this and that by color, size, or intelligence will do nothing to elevate that dismal status. That is sad, considering the natural wealth of resources which has been and is being squandered and given away. Personally, I will support no tax which does not benefit all children in Louisiana.

4) Comment by Dawson - 17/05/2012

@DMJ...post some stats to back up your race baiting post please.

5) Comment by Dawson - 17/05/2012

@Who Cares...not sure where you get your info but according to the LA Dept of Education, BR Magnet is 57.8% minority. Sorry, but it is no where near one of the "whitest" schools in the state.

6) Comment by Dawson - 17/05/2012

If the schools are not 75% minority then there will be a desegragation lawsuit? Really? First thing, get the Federal Government out of education, second get the locals out in front of the State Government and make them NEIGHBORHOOD SCHOOL Ms. Davis, not city schools. We have seen the failure of the existing system why wouldn't you want change? I thought we were in the Hope and Change era anyway? If this new district rescues kids from the EBR then its a good thing. Must we sacrifice all the kids to save none?

7) Comment by nimby? - 17/05/2012

hemogoblin , forced change is going to be met with resistance . I am Lakota , I used to drink from the other fountain ......

8) Comment by hemogoblin - 17/05/2012

Nimby?, when I was a kid I remember traveling through Arkansas and seeing a drinking fountain labeled "whites only" and another one labeled "colored". Having everyone drink from the same fountain isn't social engineering, it is all men are created equal.

9) Comment by phil - 17/05/2012

I personally do not see how creating multiple layers of schools, (including charter schools and private schools with vouchers) that taxpayers will end up paying for solves any problems with the existing public school system. Also breaking apart the existing public school system does not cure the problems of the existing school system. All we are doing is making some private individuals and organizations rich with taxpayer funds, and breaking up the existing system in the process. Now we are back to talking about desegregation lawsuits again too. Let's face it, the original lawsuits actually did very little to desegregate the schools and I believe the percent of minorities in public schools now is about 85 percent. That is NOT desegregation. Gee folks, let's not go back to lawsuits that will make a bunch of attorneys rich and not solve any problems and will result in many more years of uneducated students. Please everyone, think this all out. There HAS to be a better way.

10) Comment by nimby? - 17/05/2012

hemogoblin , attempting to manipulate the parishes numbers via busing , socio-engineering , desegregation or whatever name you choose to call it is the primary reason EBR schools are in the shape they are ....

11) Comment by hemogoblin - 17/05/2012

Let me amend that: we should aim for neighborhood schools, with all schools having equal resources and perhaps extra pay for teachers in schools with low test scores. But if some schools are 56% white and 40% African-American, that is not segregation, it just reflects the makeup of the Parish.

12) Comment by hemogoblin - 17/05/2012

Perhaps, nimby? but it is East Baton Rouge PARISH Schools. The point I was trying to make is that we shouldn't be aiming for all schools being 80% African-American and 20 % white, or whatever the school system is now. We should be aiming for 56% white and 40% African-American, or if you prefer your numbers, 55% African-American and 45% white (other counts as "white" for the school system.)

13) Comment by nimby? - 17/05/2012

hemogoblin , over 80 percent of the African-American population lives within the city limits as to less than 50 percent of the white . recent estimates inside the city limits ; 55 percent black , 40 percent white , 5 other ....

14) Comment by Whatchange - 16/05/2012

I have no idea why my comment posted 3 times. By the way I was one of the free/reduced meal program recipients, I am from a large family (12), my dad worked for the parish and mom was stay at home, we all graduated, so I'm not sure where all this bull about the program is going.

15) Comment by hemogoblin - 16/05/2012

WhoCares, the racial makeup of East Baton Rouge Parish (from the 2010 census) is 56% white and 40% African-American. Baton Rouge Magnet High reflects the racial makeup of the parish better than all the other public schools I know of, and certainly better than all the private schools that I have seen. If the school system would make more schools to attract middle class families, there would be more schools that reflect the 56-40 ratio and much better support for public schools.

16) Comment by Cicereaux - 16/05/2012

Parents don't care if a school district is improving. They want good schools immediately, not years after their own children graduate.

17) Comment by WhoCares - 16/05/2012

Baton Rouge Magnet High is one of the wealthiest whitest schools in the State. Enrollment 1,273, 33% free & reduced and 35% African American. 100% of its graduates attend college. Talk about segregation....hmmmmm.

18) Comment by agagent - 16/05/2012

“com·mu·ni·ty . . . a social group of any size whose members reside in a specific locality, share government, and often have a common cultural and historical heritage.”--Dictionary.com - Too many resources are wasted on ineffective top down management of public schools. Federal, state, and parish officials have shifted too much control of public schools from local communities. In our form of government public education is supposed to be controlled at the state and at the local levels. Local communities have better cohesion and a community spirit which means better support for public schools and better public schools.

19) Comment by cbelse1 - 16/05/2012

Most of the problems in the EBR system are the result of poor administration on the district level. I've had to deal with policies that change multiple times in one day on more than one occasion. And for pete's sake, don't go into HR and expect good customer service (or competence for that matter). I wholeheartedly agree that the RSD schools are not performing at the level that is being told to the public, but I would hardly say that the scores for a lot of EBR schools are something to brag about.

20) Comment by nimby? - 16/05/2012

yes there is a pattern , apparently we view it in a different perspective ....

21) Comment by Tea_Slayer - 16/05/2012

Duckyluve, Lets look at some of those EBR schools in the RSD. Glen Oaks Middle --- Eligible for Federal Free/ Reduced Meal Program 91.3% Minority 100.0% Students with Disabilities 17.0% /// Crestwood Learning Academy Eligible for Federal Free/ Reduced Meal Program 90.6% Minority 100.0% Students with Disabilities 14.3% /// Eligible for Federal Free/ Reduced Meal Program 90.1% Minority 99.5% Students with Disabilities 6.8% /// That's not all of them but notice the pattern?

22) Comment by Tea_Slayer - 16/05/2012

Duckyluve, Again, posting with blinders on. And you still ignore the facts. As to your question about the number of school takeovers, I'll pose another. When was the desegregation case settled? and direct you to the part of my post where you can't expect 180 degree turnaround overnight.

23) Comment by Duckyluve - 16/05/2012

I haven't been spoon fed anything. How many Ebr schools have been taken over by the state in the last 5 years? If they have been making such improvements then why the state takeovers? I hope the new district happens that way Ebr will have a very small district that they shouldn't have any problem turning around.

24) Comment by DMJ - 16/05/2012

Some will do better, most will do worse. (Guess who does worse) It's pretty much what's happened in America in general over the past 30 years.

25) Comment by Tea_Slayer - 16/05/2012

Duckyluve, contrary to what you have been spoon-fed, the EBRPSS is improving. It can't make a 180 degree turn around overnight.. For those with blinders on, I've posted the info on this article and another. It can be found at http://www.doe.state.la.us/dag/ and http://www.louisianaschools.net/reportcards/

26) Comment by DMJ - 16/05/2012

"This splits the parish racially, and it splits the parish economically." That's the idea. Of course, none of the proponents of this plan will admit it because they know it's wrong and think the ends justify the means.

27) Comment by Duckyluve - 16/05/2012

Ebrpss has had many many years to fix these problems. Its obvious that they cannot get the job done. All Ebr is worries about is losing money. They don't care about the kids, only the loss of funds.

28) Comment by ovation - 16/05/2012

Hey Being_Stupid: You are mixed up. It is not the RACE card but rather, it boils down to socioeconomic. There is a difference.

29) Comment by HMaltravers - 16/05/2012

Is the lady in the blue blouse in the photo accompanying this article reading, or sending a text message?

30) Comment by jobbyb - 16/05/2012

Nor am I, but I do play an Ovation!! LOL

31) Comment by ovation - 16/05/2012

And by the way I am not in a union and not a 'Democrat.'

32) Comment by jobbyb - 16/05/2012

Ovation, I agree with you. But if you look at the map I posted a couple comments ago, you will see this is splitting the city into racial territories. I know all about the City lines, but I don't care, this is asking for trouble some how.

33) Comment by ovation - 16/05/2012

I will identify myself as a teacher in EBR and proud of the job that I do each day. I oppose this move by SEBR. They should be down at the school board meetings working to change what they perceive as wrongs being done. If they truly want to improve education for ALL students they would be their at every meeting, but I have yet to see them.

34) Comment by ovation - 16/05/2012

@albermarle52 : No child in EBR is a victim of forced bussing. That went away with the deseg case five years ago. Any child that leaves their neighborhood school CHOOSES to do so. The parents have made this decision. Come on people, get your facts straight.

35) Comment by ovation - 16/05/2012

The paltry amendments that were added to Mr. White's bill pall in comparision to what the proposed district should be footing. The best thing that the people who are pushing for this new district will be to get some actual facts out to the public rather than say it is time for a change. Specifically how will the schools be set up? Will they follow Zachary's lead and have grade level schools instead of schools that house all grades? What will the tax proposal be for the new district since the old education supported tax will go away when they leave? One of the main things that the opponents to this pullout have is that the proponent have not sat down and given actual and specific plans for their district, If they could do this they might make some sense. Why won't the backers of this proposal slow down and wait for the study being conducted by LSU on the economic impact on Baton Rouge before they try to push this through without it being properly vetted?

36) Comment by jobbyb - 16/05/2012

And Tea_Slayer this map sums that up!!! http://digbatonrouge.com/article/redistricting-la-rorschach-30/

37) Comment by jobbyb - 16/05/2012

Well then, based on those categories, what effect will the new system pulling out of EBRPS have on what's left? That is my point and something the lawmakers need to address. I will give you one option I did not list and that would be community involvement.

38) Comment by Tea_Slayer - 16/05/2012

jobbyb, here is a clue... (% of Free and Reduced Price Lunch / % of Minority (Non-White) Students) --- Baker (77.8% / 95.9%) , Central (51.5% / 22.7%), Zachary (44.9% / 48.0%), State Averages (67.2% / 52.6%)

39) Comment by Tea_Slayer - 16/05/2012

tradewinns: You say failure, I say improving. The facts back up my claim...From the DoE District at a Glance Website Schools - No Label Assigned (5), Schools - In Decline (6), Schools - No Growth (5), Schools - Minimal Academic Growth (47), Schools - Recognized Academic Growth (6), Schools - Exemplary Academic Growth (10). 2010 District Performance Score - 82.0, 2011District Performance Score - 86.2. I look forward to EBRPS becoming a C district next year (it was only 3.8 points away this year) ---http://www.doe.state.la.us/dag/

40) Comment by tradewinns - 16/05/2012

how can you cripple a system that is a TOTAL failure?

41) Comment by nimby? - 16/05/2012

HMaltravers , 30 years teaching in EBR , I know. have watched a steady decline in the local system since I started teaching at Baker Sr in 73 . it turned into a failed experiment in socio-engineering , destroying the landscape of EBR parish . take a drive through the old neighborhood . spineless administrators/school board members became scared of offending anyone . became more intent of quotas and numbers instead of educating their students . a sinking ship , the lifeboats are almost all gone ....

42) Comment by jobbyb - 16/05/2012

I am going to ask a question that probably won't be popular with some. Whatchange pointed out (3 times) that all of this was said with Baker etc....... Of those 3 systems why is one failing while the other 2 are thriving (Bakers 4 schools grades on the School report cards were F+, D, F-,and F)? Is this racial, is this socioeconomic, or is it the lack of quality parenting? Or a combination effect? Just curious what you all think.

43) Comment by larago - 16/05/2012

foldgers: "I do not see why a neighborhood can't create their own school and allow only those they want into it... just like private schools do." A neighborhood could do this, but it would BE a private school and not use tax dollars. Have at it and leave my neighborhood and kids alone.

44) Comment by weliveherenow - 16/05/2012

there's so much more to his than "local schools for local children" and i'm not even speaking to the racial end because that falls on deaf ears. those that "support" it should go get informed...if you can, that is. your side is closed mouthed on details because there are none. the financial end is appalling. it was mentioned below that monday's amendment addressed it...and it did NOT. go see for yourself. not even close. we're all left behind to shell out for it because people who have their children in private schools are too good to use the system and get involved. it's easier to run away and leave the mess you helped create behind for the rest of us.

45) Comment by HMaltravers - 16/05/2012

Just because a person has been to the dentist doesn't mean he/she knows how to work on teeth. Yet, every yo-you who's been to elementary/high school, thinks he/she knows how to teach.

46) Comment by Whatchange - 16/05/2012

All this was said with Baker, Zachary, and Central.

47) Comment by Whatchange - 16/05/2012

All this was said with Baker, Zachary, and Central.

48) Comment by Whatchange - 16/05/2012

All this was said with Baker, Zachary, and Central.

49) Comment by jobbyb - 16/05/2012

Everyone is saying this is race related, and maybe you're right, but I see it more of a socioeconomic move than race. As well as an attempt to get the completely incompetent school board out of the way of the schools themselves.

50) Comment by Tea_Slayer - 16/05/2012

I guess stupidity hasn't maxed out

51) Comment by Being_Stupid - 16/05/2012

Racism and Class Warfare, everything is a Black & White issue for the Democrat Socialist Party Folks. They can't see in color.

52) Comment by nimby? - 16/05/2012

so society is taken to task , not the parents who ignore their children ? go figure ....

53) Comment by Being_Stupid - 16/05/2012

One Voice, One Community, reminds me of the Communist Party Slogan of One Party, One Voice, Single Party Politics, and Class Warfare on "Country Club Neighborhoods". Is Belinda Davis really a professor of political science? She sounds more like a professor of Karl Marx.

54) Comment by Tea_Slayer - 16/05/2012

anytime a post includes a statement like "that is NOT racist, it is a FACT! " pretty much guarantees that it IS racist

55) Comment by Being_Stupid - 16/05/2012

BRAC does not speak for the Business Community, BRAC speaks only for Downtown and Mayor Holden's Office.

56) Comment by foldgers - 16/05/2012

It is funny though, the black community loves to have "black only" things: BET, Miss black America, Black Panthers, historically black colleges and on and on... but when it comes to public schools, they want to have it all mixed up! I do not mind mixed schools, I went to public schools all my life and most of my friends were not white, but these days, if I had a child, I would not DARE put my kids in a public school. Even though I would still pay taxes to support public schools. I am sorry, but the more "de-segregated" the schools hove gotten, the worse they have become. And no, that is NOT racist, it is a FACT! Don't like it, then change it! I do not see why a neighborhood can't create their own school and allow only those they want into it... just like private schools do.

57) Comment by jobbyb - 16/05/2012

All of this is nice, but it's a done deal. They knew that the votes were there to pass this before they ran it down your throats. It fit's right into Jindal's plan for education, divide and conquer! EBR will end up being a magnet system with all the other schools being privately ran.

58) Comment by Tea_Slayer - 16/05/2012

stupidity is maxed out

59) Comment by Being_Stupid - 16/05/2012

The Race Card is maxed out.

60) Comment by Tea_Slayer - 16/05/2012

If the only reason you aren't involved in your child's school is because some of the (undesirable) students live outside of your district, then shame on you. You people aren't fooling anyone. Trading the ~2,000 undesirables for ~1,200 GT/Magnet/Special Program students will do wonders for your scores. Instant success!! But you are doing a disservice to those student who would excel outside of the traditional cookie-cutter classrooms they will be forced to attend.

61) Comment by spqr - 16/05/2012

Everything seems to be racially motivated if one disagrees with it. It's boring and tired, but used often. Ignore it...What I am tired of is how people who have NEVER taught think they know something about education. But ask a teacher? Oh, they are "identified" as union pawns or trying to maintain the status quo. Who are these bank presidents and high-profile so-called city leaders? Sure, it's fine to have an opinion, but why do we not have reporters go into the schools and interview teachers about these issues? They are the only one who know anything and they are ignored. Lazy, lazy reporters.

62) Comment by larago - 16/05/2012

1) we don't have forced busing anymore - it is by choice to attend a special program or to go to a better school if you neighborhood school is failing 2) EBR has developed ways to provide quality education: magnet programs. If you want an expansion of those programs than it would be more productive to work with the district than try to create legislation to break up what is already in place. 3) They did mention the amendments but also pointed out that they are inadequate and demonstrate that Senator White either didn't read or didn't understand the study done by Dr. Richardson about how those costs are determined. 4) BRAC is concerned about the speed and lack of information about the impact this may have on the city. BRAC has said repeatedly that another independent district may turn out to be a great thing, but that the studies to show the impact should be allowed to be completed before this is rushed through the House. 5) While race may not be the reason this area is attempting to pull out, the numbers clearly show that it affects the percentages. We will likely be looked at again by the Department of Justice in regard to segregation of schools. And this is all for a whopping 15% of the district.

63) Comment by albermarle52 - 16/05/2012

Plus, they should expand the proposed district to include the area in between Airline, Florida, I-12, and the Amite River. It would eliminate the need to build a new high school.

64) Comment by albermarle52 - 16/05/2012

Forced busing in the name of desegregation is one the problems with this school system. Kids have to get up at 5 in the morning and then ride an hour and a half to school. We need to get back to pure neighborhood schools.

65) Comment by morgaine67 - 16/05/2012

Assistant Professor Davis should be ashamed of herself. She may be an expert on political science, but this is about in education - outside her field of expertise. The only thing that matters is how best to educate the children in the proposed district. Until the EBR School Board develops an interest in providing children with a quality education, the only responsible thing to do is to get away from them.

66) Comment by WhoCares - 16/05/2012

Iberia Bank here I come.

67) Comment by WhoCares - 16/05/2012

"a minor train wreck" nice oxymoron Dany Montelaro.

68) Comment by WhoCares - 16/05/2012

Cbelse, great points. That would require them to be honest and that is something they seem to struggle with.

69) Comment by cbelse1 - 16/05/2012

They didn't even mention the amendments added to the bill that answered some of their questions. Their argument boils down to the some parents being upset that their babies won't be able to attend their magnet programs. Yes, the district will lose money, but no one is mentioning that they will also lose the cost of paying for a large number of students, the cost of paying for building maintenance and overhead, the cost of paying some teacher salaries, etc.

70) Comment by WhoCares - 16/05/2012

Dany, Dany, Dany....what are you doing!!? You are a bank president who knows nothing about education and the single reason that I'm taking all of my money out of Regions. I can't believe you are getting so out in front on this. The Chamber has not represented the business community in a long time. What you have represented are taxes on property owners of this parish, government give aways in the form of tax credits, and have meddled in the EBRPSB politics for a decade. The Chamber is largely responsible for the failed board we have now and have crippled public education in this city. I'd like to know where your kids go to school. What country club is in this new district? What country club does Dany Montelaro belong to? I love how these people think they can speak on behalf of the department of justice. The advocate has already reported that the district will be over 56% African American. The race card is such a weak argrument.