Ministers: Math behind Jindal tax plan flawed

Administration: ‘Vast majority’ will save

Religious leaders from across Louisiana complained Friday that the math behind Gov. Bobby Jindal’s tax proposal is flawed.

Northern and Central Louisiana Interfaith, a Shreveport-based religious organization, said the Jindal administration underestimated the expected tax burden on families by omitting part of a proposed state sales tax hike from calculations.

“This is about more than just numbers on a page. This is about integrity and people’s lives,” the Rev. Melvin Rushing, of Baton Rouge, said during a news conference at the State Capitol.

The Rev. Morris Thompson, bishop of the Episcopal Diocese of Louisiana in New Orleans, said the governor should withdraw his sales tax proposal. He was among ministers from around the state drawing attention to the governor’s tax overhaul proposals.

“Our numbers are growing,” Thompson said. “Our voice of justice is being heard.”

The next step, Thompson said, will be to meet with legislators, who will start debating the tax plan in the legislative session that begins April 8.

The Jindal administration refused multiple times Friday to confirm whether a broadening of the state sales tax base was included in a distributed analysis on how Louisiana individuals and families would be affected.

In a prepared statement, Tim Barfield, executive counsel for the state Department of Revenue, said: “More than 80 percent of the expanded sales tax base does not impact families and individuals. That being said, the formula/methodology used to calculate rebates ... ensures that the tax burden will be reduced for all income brackets even when considering increased taxes resulting from an expanded sales tax base.”

Barfield concluded his statement by appearing to blame the ministers’ complaints on misinformation spread by the Louisiana Budget Project, which he called a liberal special interest group.

However, the Louisiana Budget Project is not the only organization questioning the governor’s math.

The Baton Rouge-based Public Affairs Research Council of Louisiana published a report Thursday accusing the governor of using revenue numbers that could knock the budget neutrality of the tax plan out of balance by at least $500 million.

The Council for A Better Louisiana, another public policy organization, warned Friday that low revenues could give legislators no choice but to raise taxes even further.

The governor wants to eliminate the state’s personal income and corporate taxes. To avoid the state budget taking a hit, Jindal wants to replace the revenue by raising state sales tax to 5.88 percent and taxing services that are not currently taxed by the state, including veterinary services, hair cuts and play tickets.

The Jindal administration contends “the vast majority of Louisiana taxpayers will save more through the elimination of state income taxes than they will pay in increased state sales taxes.”

Among the scenarios promoted by the administration is one in which “teachers making $45,000 per year filing individually would see their annual state tax burden reduced by more than $800 on average.”

The ministers said Friday that the administration omitted part of the sales tax increase from its calculation.

Rushing said the administration made no accommodation for the fact that people currently not paying a penny in state sales tax for many services now would pay 5.88 percent. Instead, he said, the administration just included the impact of state sales tax increasing from 4 percent to 5.88 percent.

He said the omission skewed the assessment of how much families would pay.

For several of the religious leaders who crowded into Memorial Hall at the State Capitol on Friday, this was their second trip there. A handful came to the Capitol days earlier to drop off a letter signed by 250 clergy expressing concerns about the tax plan’s impact on the poor and middle class.

On Friday, they returned to the State Capitol with a report detailing their criticism of the Revenue Department’s analysis.


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Comments (56)


1) Comment by Michael Gary Scott - 29/03/2013

The little boy who presents himself as the smartest person in Louisiana can' add.

2) Comment by ScotB - 24/03/2013

You can't write off church donations on your sales taxes.

3) Comment by agagent - 24/03/2013

North Carolina research, reported in Forbes, indicates an additional 1% growth in the economy for states eliminating their income taxes. That may not sound a like a lot except the country’s growth rate was only 0.1% in the last quarter of 2012. Fortunately Louisiana’s unemployment rate is much below the country’s unemployment rate and the state’s GDP has increased significantly in recent years, but a change in tax structure could help move Louisiana to the top ten as a place to do business.

4) Comment by SuzanneMS - 23/03/2013

Corruption? You don't know corruption until you bring private enterprise and the profit motive into providing state services. Just ask the federal grand jury investigating the CNSI scandal. Where is your proof that eliminating all income taxes and raising sales taxes to the highest in the nation will attract new business? Jindalites all love to parrot that phrase, yet not a single one has ever demonstrated that it is true. Businesses look at the overall tax situation, as well as the infrastructure (roads and bridges, which are pitiful), workforce development and quality of life. Louisiana's tax structure is already considered "business friendly," while it is at the bottom of the other 3. If it's already "business friendly" in that area and no one is coming, then the logical step would be to improve the other 3. Duh. Texas is 25 in median household income, which is just fair, and it does it with some of the highest property taxes in the nation and a franchise tax on corporations. Are you willing to give up the Homestead Exemption, and/or see your property taxes double or triple? Florida has DisneyWorld and beautiful beaches, as well as the Florida Keyes. Eliminating state income tax won't bring any of that to Louisiana. And Florida has a corporate income tax -- and is ranked 37. Washington has Microsoft and Amazon and the spill over from Silicon Valley -- and a business tax. It's number 12, which is not too shabby, but still not in the top 10. Tennessee? What ARE you talking about? Tennessee and prosper do not belong in the same sentence. It is 45th in the nation in median household income, right below Louisiana. And you clearly have no concept of what "socialism" is or of what government is, for that matter.

5) Comment by TommyRucker - 23/03/2013

I don't think these people can honestly be against the repeal of the state income tax. I think they are against cutting back ANY government revenues as that would mean many wasteful government programs would have to be eliminated and they must be in favor of bigger government as is Edwards and his friends. i'll take private enterprise over government socialism with all its waste any day and anything that promotes private and free enterprise over socialism has my vote. Socialism slaves, there is no justice in socialism and Jindal is trying to promote private enterprise, unfortunately many like Edwards are trying to protect their government supported nests.

6) Comment by TommyRucker - 23/03/2013

These ministers apparently are being used and they don't even know it. If other states like Texas, Tennessee, Florida and Washington can prosper without a state income tax, why can't Louisiana. Jindal is to good of a governor for Louisiana as apparently many people prefer someone like Edwards who is a real prize. It sure seems like these ministers want Louisiana to go back to the days of Edwards, Long, Davis, etc. If you really think government is the best organization or whatever to spend YOUR money wisely then these ministers represent your position but I am in favor of giving government as little money as possible until they show they can be trusted and are not moving deeper and deeper into corruption. It seems the more money we give government, the worse value we get from government. Why don't these ministers stand up against government waste and corruption???

7) Comment by zealer99 - 23/03/2013

There are two main issues with a lot of little parts. In my opinion, the first issue is the adequate funding of State Government and the second issue is the proper funding of State Government. For the past 5 fiscal years there have been mid-year budget cuts because the revenue estimates were over estimated (wrong). If the Jindal Administration fails 5 out of 5 times to estimate an annual revenue stream using per-established taxing strategy, it is not reasonable to assume that the revenue stream estimate of of a whole new taxing strategy would be accurate. From what we have seen, it is just as likely that the clergy has estimated the revenue generated by Jindal's new plan as the estimates by the Jindal Administration.

8) Comment by TommyRucker - 23/03/2013

Eliminating income tax will promote private enterprise to come in the state and increase the number of better jobs. If it brings in better jobs and more jobs then why would people want to continue a system which would bring less money into the state and fewer lower paying jobs. Where were all the ministers when pro life issues were being debated, issues of personhood and life beginning at conception?? Why do they think socialism is better than private enterprise?? There are several states without a state income, including Texas and Florida and they seem to be doing better than La.

9) Comment by TommyRucker - 23/03/2013

When did these ministers become experts in financial matters??

10) Comment by Woody - 23/03/2013

i am tired of paying my share and someone elses share of taxes. everyone needs to pay. period.

11) Comment by Duckyluve - 23/03/2013

@twinkiekitty should I save you a seat or will you be waiting at the mailbox for your "check"?

12) Comment by twinkie1cat - 23/03/2013

BenYay: Absolutely. Although I came to Louisiana in 2004 and had heard about its previous colorful and crooked governors, basically the only thing I knew about this state, like most Americans, was what I had seen on COPS. My impression is that Jindal is not like those previous colorful figures who, regardless of shady deals they made always had the needs of the people of Louisiana in their hearts. Jindal just does not care about the people at all or what happens unless they can do something to further his political career. He is a mean little man. I hope he has a "home brain" that he flips on when he gets back to the mansion. Otherwise, his family must be going through hell. Surely this is not his real personality, just the public persona he presents to make him appealing to the National GOP.

13) Comment by twinkie1cat - 23/03/2013

Boiled crabs: my understanding is that a church with a non-profit number does not pay taxes. A para-church organization does not pay taxes either and usually has a separate non-profit number from the church that sponsors it, with its own Board of Directors. This I know because I was on the board of a church sponsored food bank as well as in leadership in the church that sponsored it. However, the pastor gets a salary from the church unless he or she is of a denomination that does not pay its pastors. The pastor pays income tax and that income tax filing can be rather complicated because they generally also get a housing allowance, health insurance, and sometimes a car allowance which is taxed differently from income but is part of their income. This comes from my current pastor who mentioned the fits he was having with doing his income tax and separating personal expenses from church related expenses in a sermon one year. We have a small church with no staff other than the pastor, so there is not a paid person to do it for him.

14) Comment by twinkie1cat - 23/03/2013

Barfield says that 80% of the tax increases don't affect families and individuals. Let's have him share what paying 10% tax when you get a hair cut and pay grandma's sitter does to the cost of services. Can you say, 10% higher?

15) Comment by jwarren - 23/03/2013

Actually, twinkie1cat, lying in politics is bipartisan. They all do it, Republican and Democrat. None can be trusted. The problem with Jindal in Louisiana, just as with Obama in Washington, is that Jindal is the liar in power right now.

16) Comment by twinkie1cat - 23/03/2013

Yes Duckylove. Since you are one of the biggest of the good for nothings you can take a bus somewhere cold and far away next week. Pack your bags.

17) Comment by twinkie1cat - 23/03/2013

Of course it's flawed! Jindal's overpaid staff is expert at twisting statistics to reflect their goals. That's why the charter schools won't be graded by the same standards as the publics to take an example from his education debacle. Jindal is doing the same old same old Republican lying.>>>>> Paul Ryan's budget is exactly the same on a national level. It assumes the repeal of Obamacare in order to balance. They are all full of smoke and mirrors and we need to douse the first and trick them into breaking the second in order to get 7 years of quality government, preferably the biblical 70X7 so they can be forgiven, both Jindal and Ryan for trying to destroy America.

18) Comment by Duckyluve - 23/03/2013

You mean everybody would have to pay taxes? Why would a lazy bum want to stay in this good for nothing state? Raise the taxes and hopefully the something for nothing group will leave therefore saving the taxpayers millions

19) Comment by serenade - 23/03/2013

@BoiledCrabs: Ministers pay state income tax now, and churches actually have less exemptions than other non-profits, as they are not exempt from state sales tax. If a parachurch organization has 501c(3) status, then they are tax exempt, but churches themselves are not.

20) Comment by BoiledCrabs - 23/03/2013

I can see where ministers who are tax exempt would oppose this.

21) Comment by Ben Yay - 23/03/2013

How anyone can trust Jindal to do the right thing, five years into his governorship, is beyond me. He is a wrecking ball like no other governor in modern times. Can it be any more clear to see that he does not care about the people of Louisiana, that he only cares about using the governorship as a stepping stone to national prominence (the fact that that is now laughable is beside the point). I was actually glad when Jindal became governor. I thought it would be good to have such a smart person at the helm. I had no idea how dishonest the guy is, how much disdain he has for the people, how thoroughly he was willing to sell his soul to further his ambition. Pushback, people! Jindal is an elected politician. He is not a king.

22) Comment by jwarren - 23/03/2013

I would be quite interested in some version of the tax reform being proposed by Jindal..............if Jindal wasn't proposing it. The man can't be trusted and he doesn't care one bit about Louisiana. He is just trying to check another box off on his national aspirations checklist. He doesn't care if it works or not in the end.

23) Comment by Mygulfbleedsforu - 23/03/2013

Dear Republican party leaders, the leaders in capitalism who were using the Republican party leaders and the religious leaders who were used by the Republican party leaders: your vile propaganda campaign of the past four years is coming home to roost. You woke up the crazy and you have lost control. You might as well enjoy, because no one else will. I know I won't. You have opened Pandora's box, you know it, you haven't a clue what to do about it, yet the vote pandering STILL DIDN'T WORK! It would be funny if it wasn't so sick -- if it didn't have to affect us all. Gee thanks for nothing.

24) Comment by 4rustin - 23/03/2013

The Ministers are afraid of PROSPERITY!! With no income tax there is no gravy train direct to the pockets of the taxpayers. It all becomes very acceptable. No more automatic payments to the slush funds run by the local politicians and if you don't work or are sitting on your porch-no more auto payment . That is what they are afraid of-not thepoor but themselves. No STATE INCOME TAX will bring so much money into Louisiana it will be scary-look at TX and FL. Prosperous with new jobs and industry. Look at NY and NJ-industries leaving for the South NO TAX states.

25) Comment by Hello Baton Rouge - 23/03/2013

Let me shorten this up for everyone, "IF THIS LAW PASSES WE WILL HAVE TO PAY TAXES AND WE CANT DO THAT!" - The Ministers... I suggest you ministers call your brethren in Texas and see how well its working out for them.

26) Comment by bourbon-soda - 23/03/2013

Sending the centurions after your money does not violate the wall of separation. Sending the centurions after your money does not violate the wall of separation. Sending the centurions after your money does not violate the wall of separation. Sending.....

27) Comment by Duckyluve - 23/03/2013

Every minister that signs a petition or openly voices their opinion about government should lose their tax exempt status.

28) Comment by SuzanneMS - 23/03/2013

How soon they forget that which they do not want to acknowledge. Why, only yesterday, the Public Affairs Research Council of Louisiana said exactly the same thing. The Jindal administration has once again massaged the numbers to make them say what they want them to say. This time, however, they are getting called on it before it becomes law -- and before a grand jury had to be convened.

29) Comment by bourbon-soda - 23/03/2013

Regardless of the merits of various tax plans, this is an example of people who purport to be experts in one field (ministry) attempting to use their credentials as authorities in another field (mathematics). Most ministers that I know are mathematically borderline competent at best. Experts in one field have made fools of themselves in other fields for millennia. There is no reason to assume that they know more about the mathematics and economics involved here than would any other literate population, and less than many. They might do some good by encouraging, on the basis of morality, the same reproductive continence among the economically incompetent as is generally practiced by the economically competent. At this, the religion mentioned seem to be abject failures.

30) Comment by tradewinns - 23/03/2013

there's something about "give to God.........& give to caesar..." why don't you "men of God" get your useless behinds out of the govt's business and work the useless poor to get their behinds off the welfare rolls and into being productive member of society? do you believe your "job" is to insure there's a sixth or seventh generation of welfare roll receipients for you to get donations for? why don't ya'll forget about saving their (shoe) soles and worry about their souls.

31) Comment by twinkie1cat - 23/03/2013

mdsgu: So you want to tax children, homeless people the working poor, and the low income elderly and disabled. That is who you hit hardest with high sales taxes. Sounds like another Republican.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Popseal: Liberation theology huh. Bet you go to a church that preaches prosperity gospel and hates homosexuals. You need to check whether or not you are saved before you die because Jesus Christ (in case you just might believe in him) did not support high taxes. That's why he turned over the money changers in the Temple. They were discriminating against the poor. Alright sir, just go against God and see where it gets you.

32) Comment by BigRock - 23/03/2013

If you are a small business owner, you should be wearing out your legislator's phone lines. An 80 percent shift in taxes to business, mostly small businesses who do not benefit from big tax breaks that large employers receive to locate her, is a scary scenario that will turn businesses away at our borders. This plan, because of 1) the 40 % increase in all sales taxes on good, and 2) the expansion of those taxes to countless B2B transactions will drive up the cost of doing business in this state, and will drop our "all important ratings" from 49th to 50th in sales tax burden. Congrats, Bobby, you're making LA look more like Massachusetts every day.

33) Comment by twinkie1cat - 23/03/2013

So teachers making $45,000 will pay $800 less in taxes per year. Fat chance of that given that they will make it up in sales taxes when they buy supplies for their classrooms because of Jindal's on going education budget freezes. Teachers pay, on average, about $500 per year out of their own money for supplies now. For a lot it is closer to $2000. I am sure that Barfield did not think about that. Plus, the teachers making that much are retiring early thanks to last year's fiasco. There soon won't be any real teachers left in Louisiana. Teacher emigration is part of the brain drain that Jindal laments with one side of his forked tongue and encourages with the other. There will be rank beginners, Teach for Americas and high school graduates warming desks at the charters. Remember his charter school law says that those desk fillers don't have to have degrees, so the fake schools can probably get a Walmart cashier for about $10 an hour.

34) Comment by Mygulfbleedsforu - 23/03/2013

Shorter Barfield: "Liberal special interest = bad, even if logical; conservative special interest = good, even if illogical. Everyone will pay less, but revenues will remain the same. Trust me." Yet some call "twisted logic" on these ministers?! That must, indeed, require being "unfamiliarized."

35) Comment by twinkie1cat - 23/03/2013

The power of the churches is one to be reckoned with. In expressing their distaste for gouging the poor and middle class with more sales taxes, the Christians of Louisiana may be able to turn around the politics by electing more real ones and fewer heathen clones of Jindal. This would be the good coming out of the bad that the Bible speaks of. Interestingly, of course, I have seen nothing from Jindal's own heathens, the Louisiana Family Forum on whether they will support his siphoning off more money from children and homeless people. Meanwhile, I am sure Texas, Mississippi and Arkansas are making plans for shopping centers right on the border, counting on our legislators being too conservative not to pass Jindal's latest evil plot to protect the rich from doing their part for America.

36) Comment by spqr - 23/03/2013

If this absurd idea passes how many more good people flee the state?

37) Comment by popseal - 23/03/2013

The twisted logic of these leftist "ministers" is as misdirected as their liberation theology. For the unfamiliarized, that means they use a Bible verse here and there to justiify a Marxist socialism. In popular terms, they are 'progressives' who bow at the feet of faux messiah 'Bam. Leftist politicians and community activists call it 'social justice', an Orwellian turn of a phrase.

38) Comment by agagent - 23/03/2013

I will be glad to trade the time and costs associated with complying with the state income tax for a consumption tax. All taxpayers and the state will be relieved of that cost. Less bother for me and more time for other things.

39) Comment by postscript56 - 23/03/2013

If you believe anything that comes from the Jindal adminstration you are naive at best, part of the problem at worst. That could probably be said of all office holders at one time or another, but Jindal is the one we have now and it is true for him all the time.

40) Comment by ed171300 - 22/03/2013

Reading this article just makes me really glad I chose years ago to discontinue all church donations. Anyone who thinks they're sticking up for their congregations is living in a fantasy world. "Charitable contributions " are deductible, so taxpayers subsidize their income. Do away with the income tax, there goes the subsidy. THAT is why these folks are lining up against Gov. Jindal's plan. I say if people want to be charitable, do it from the heart and without the benefit of a tax deduction subsidy.

41) Comment by phil - 22/03/2013

Mygulfbleedsforu : TIF basically stands for Tax Increment Financing which I believe means that the incremental tax collected by a new development is turned over to the development to finance improvements. There are several in Baton Rouge and about 3 just in downtown BR. I believe each LA Bill or local ordinance that creates a TIF district can vary somewhat and might or might not include State sales taxes. If the sales tax in a TIF district is increased by this tax plan, will that incremental tax increase go back to the developer, and in this case that same developer will not have to pay any state income taxes? In other words will TIF districts end up getting even more tax funds (or pay less tax overall) as a result of these proposed changes?

42) Comment by Woody - 22/03/2013

i say give it a shot.

43) Comment by jeffsadow - 22/03/2013

Keep in mind that, the way the plan is described an individual making $20,000 a year will get a rebate on the "extra" portion of sales tax of $300. That assumes $16,000 of discretionary expenditures a year on basic consumables -- probably few individuals at this income level pay that much a year. This is why even at the lower income brackets people will come out ahead on this.

44) Comment by Mygulfbleedsforu - 22/03/2013

phil, I thought I responded to one of your posts about TIFs. Maybe not. I was wondering what connection TIFs have with income tax. I thought TIFs only provided property tax relief, and then some of the sales tax collected from the new businsses in a TIF area is dedicated to retiring the development bonds used to build the stores or whatever. But I am not aware of an income tax component to TIFs.

45) Comment by Mygulfbleedsforu - 22/03/2013

phil, I thought I responded to one of your posts about TIFs. Maybe not. I was wondering what connection TIFs have with income tax. I thought TIFs only provided property tax relief, and then some of the sales tax collected from the new businsses in a TIF area is dedicated to retiring the development bonds used to build the stores or whatever. But I am not aware of an income tax component to TIFs.

46) Comment by RODEO CLOWN - 22/03/2013

The vast MAJORITY of Louisiana businesses DO NOT sales taxes. The companies apply for and are granted a state sales tax exemption which exempts them from sales taxes at both the state and local(parish) levels. Many companies have sales tax exemptions at both the state and local level-redundant but it happens. Regardless, the simple fact is, the majority of businesses in Louisiana do not pay sales taxes. Furthermore, Jindal's “pimping of Louisiana”-aimed at attracting and expanding businesses in Louisiana-many businesses have been granted further tax exemptions on property, extended sales tax exemptions to their vendors, ie, the contractors building the proposed projects, exemptions from income taxes, income tax credits(refundable) based on a percentage of total gross wages(5-7% of the gross wages based on the increase in new hires or the total number new employees of a newly opened facility) and transferable tax credits(refundable by the state at 100% of the face value or salable to another company at a discounted amount that can then be used to reduce the purchasing companies tax liability) We wonder why CIFT(Corporate Income/Franchise Taxes) have dropped over 75% since 2007?(2011 LA DEPT REV REPORT, PG 16). Did your income tax bill decrease by over 75% in the last four years? Mine sure didn't.

47) Comment by phil - 22/03/2013

Math example - eliminate the LA income tax over several years while at the same time cutting waste and corruption in government on a dollar per dollar basis. Leave the sales taxes alone. I have already asked how TIF areas will be affected under any change to the income tax structure that includes decreasing or eliminating the income tax while at the same time increasing sales taxes. Anyone want to tackle that one, especially with the idea that some "smart growth" proponents are pushing the growth of TIF areas. Of course, this is just one issue of probably many that will come up. The devil IS in the details.

48) Comment by SuzanneMS - 22/03/2013

Everyone in the state pays sales tax right now, so everyone has "skin in the game." Those who do not pay income tax make below the poverty level and are primarily the elderly, the disabled, and others on a fixed income. I'd reply to foldgers, but it's clear that he is living in some fantasy land where businesses make money when people don't buy their service or product and where those who have $5000 a year in disposable income won't notice when they have 2% less to buy shoes for the kids, clothes for work, gas for the car, school supplies, cleaning supplies and all that other "unnecessary stuff." Because we all know that $400 a month will take care of all of the "stuff" that we need besides food and utilities. Just hope that you don't need any car repairs and that your insurance doesn't go up. And if you own a home, that you don't need a new roof or stove or water heater or termite treatment. I'm going to guess that he's a teenager living at home, with mommy and daddy paying for all of the necessities so that he can blow his money on "stuff" and feel all self-righteous about "paying his own way."

49) Comment by foldgers - 22/03/2013

Well, for one thing, the large corporations that may pay no income taxes due to credits or whatever will not be affected by reducing their rates to zero, so, this will, in effect, help the smaller businesses, especially the money saved by not having to hire CPA's. Next, if these big corporations pay no income taxes, then that means currently they are not helping out the state with revenues, except of course all the income taxes that their employees are currently paying. Also, the large corporations paying no income taxes will now be paying extra in sales taxes for stuff they purchase. So, in a sense, they will be having their taxes increase by 1.88%. Better than the nothing they are paying now, right? And DMJ saying that spending less will hurt businesses locally... sort of true. A small business may pay 20% income tax rates right now, but with this law, they will be paying 0%, that will make up for the less spending that will be done, not to mention, people will also have more money to spend every payday because no state income taxes will be taken out. With that money, they can SAVE it or spend it. Saving for their future is more important than buying iPads, don't you think? This plan encourages people to not waste money on things they don't need. Just like raising taxes on cigarettes supposedly encourage people to quit smoking, yet we see how well that is working in NY, where the black market for cigs is already starting to grow. And if you are against this, then you are for people, strippers or drug dealers for example, making about $1000 a week and not paying ANYTHING into the system. People who are "poor" I would guess spend MAYBE $5000 a year on stuff that will be affected by the increased sales tax, I mean, if they have more than that to spend of stuff that isn't necessary, then I would hardly consider them poor. That means, based on $5000 in extra spending, the "poor" will be paying an extra $95 a year. Considering they will no longer be paying state income taxes or having any taken out of their checks, I think they will come out ahead. If they smoke, then I am sorry, that is their problem. And let's say the spend $10,000 on stuff, that is still less than $200 a year extra they will pay. If you have $10k to spend of "stuff," then you have $200 to pay extra.

50) Comment by Vernonbrew22 - 22/03/2013

Why is this plan even needed? Is this just a diversion from other hidden deals and contracts? Someone please call the federal investigators to Kenner. When this goofy, half-hearted proposal flops next month, there is no way its creator can spin something positive. Walls are closing man. Great point BRmoderate. LOL

51) Comment by Mygulfbleedsforu - 22/03/2013

No, mdsgu, you are wrong. There are plenty of citizens who are happy to pay for a civilized society, but don't like this plan. Rarely is it a good idea or remotely accurate to speak for "everybody." Can you tell me how many corporations do business here but currently get away with paying no income tax or any other kind? Will they now have skin in the game? Have you ever spent one single brain cell in aggravation that they have no skin in the game?

52) Comment by TheTardis - 22/03/2013

No, mdsgu, you are wrong. There are plenty of tax paying citizens who are against this plan. We're against it because we know the average Joe will end up paying more in taxes if this 'scheme' passes.

53) Comment by BRmoderate - 22/03/2013

If there's only one group of people in Louisiana that can count money...be assured it is DEFINITELY preachers...

54) Comment by mdsgu - 22/03/2013

The only people who don't like this plan are the ones who will suddenly have "skin in the game" and actually have to contribute financially to running the state. Nothing from the state (or the federal) government is free -- the money has to come from somewhere, and that somewhere happens to be the taxpayers. Everyone should contribute, and this scheme ensures that everyone will (unless you choose not to buy anything). And remember, necessities such as food, prescriptions, and utilities will remain untaxed. So people will "save more;" the revenue neutrality comes from the fact that almost 100% of the population will be contributing through their sales taxes. The only people who will pay a little more are the ones who currently get away without paying any income tax. And if they are getting away without paying any income tax, they should start contributing!

55) Comment by DMJ - 22/03/2013

Oh, and if we're going to "save more" that will mean further cuts to health care, education and social services. This will NOT be "revenue neutral." Just look at this year's budget- a $1.3 billion shortfall. Nice and rosy (and terribly inaccurate) budget predictions coming out of the Jindal administration.

56) Comment by DMJ - 22/03/2013

“the vast majority of Louisiana taxpayers will save more through the elimination of state income taxes than they will pay in increased state sales taxes.” Only if they buy less...which will be bad for Louisiana businesses, obviously. This plan stinks.