BESE bickers over multiple topics

Controversy erupted Friday on Louisiana’s top school board over teacher evaluations, troubled public schools and even a comment about closing the state Department of Education.

The state Board of Elementary and Secondary Education, called BESE, also approved a $3.5 billion school funding request on an 8-3 vote.

The request now goes to the Legislature, which can approve or reject the plan but cannot change it.

The session begins on April 8.

The spat, which took place one day after a lengthy hearing, surfaced during what is normally a low-key part of the meeting when state Superintendent of Education John White makes comments to the 11-member panel.

But Lottie Beebe, a BESE member who lives in Breaux Bridge, responded by saying that, because of the new reviews, teachers are “stressed” and the state board and White have failed to do enough to address their complaints.

“No one is taking a look at this,” Beebe said. “That is what a leader does.”

The new job evaluations are aimed at improving teacher quality and student achievement.

Opponents say the evaluation system is flawed.

BESE member Carolyn Hill, who lives in Baton Rouge, criticized the state-run Recovery School District. The RSD oversees failing and other troubled schools in Baton Rouge, New Orleans and elsewhere.

Hill said she has heard from some parents who prefer to get up at 4:30 a.m. to get their children to distant traditional public schools rather than relying on one run by the state.

However, as Beebe touched on other subjects, BESE president Chas Roemer stepped in.

“I think you have made your point,” Roemer told Beebe at one point.

At one point Beebe fired back.

“I am not finished,” she said.

Responding to Hill’s comments, White said state officials are working with East Baton Rouge Parish school system superintendent Bernard Taylor to make improvements in troubled schools here.

He said that includes the creation of the Baton Rouge Achievement Zone for seven failing schools in north Baton Rouge that need special attention.

BESE member Kira Orange Jones, who lives in New Orleans, also rebutted Hill’s comments about the RSD, which oversees dozens of schools in New Orleans.

Jones noted that, less that a decade ago, the valedictorian of a public high school there failed the state’s graduation exit exam six times.

“The culture of New Orleans schools is changing,” Jones said. “The expectations are rising.”

White, responding to Beebe’s comments about state assistance for teachers, noted that 150 teachers statewide worked voluntarily on a recently unveiled plan to aid educators through a variety of online resources.

Beebe, who becomes superintendent of the St. Martin Parish school system on July 1, also took issue with what she said was a published comment that quoted Roemer as saying he wants to close the state Department of Education.

Roemer countered that he said the agency should be closed and re-opened with more focus on educating children than requiring local school districts to comply with state mandates.

Beebe and Hill are often at odds with the board’s other nine members, who are often aligned with Gov. Bobby Jindal.

The school aid plan, which is called the Minimum Foundation Program, or MFP, sparked comments from 39 people during a nearly six-hour hearing on Thursday, according to BESE records.

Others submitted written remarks.

The MFP request echoes the spending plan proposed by Jindal.

Backers said that, even with a fifth consecutive year of freezes in state spending per student, public schools are faring better than other services.

Opponents included the Louisiana Association of Educators, Louisiana Federation of Teachers and the Louisiana School Boards Association.


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1) Comment by Ohsofedup - 11/03/2013

John White LOUISIANA STATE SUPERINTENDENT OF EDUCATION John White began his career in education as an English teacher in Jersey City, New Jersey. He later worked as Executive Director for Teach For America Chicago and Teach For America New Jersey, where he also served on the organization’s national Strategy Committee. In 2006, White was recruited by New York City Chancellor Joel Klein to join the city’s senior management team. In his last role in NYC, White served as Deputy Chancellor for Talent, Labor. During his tenure with NYC, the country’s largest school district, he also served as Chief Executive Officer for portfolio, where he was responsible for developing new schools, closing failing schools, and adjusting grade levels, enrollments, and locations of existing schools. In May 2011, White was appointed Superintendent of the Recovery School District, the state-run school district charged with transforming failing schools in Louisiana. During his tenure with the RSD, he led the development of a three-year strategic plan; crafted a plan to overhaul the remaining failing schools in the RSD in New Orleans; revamped instructional supports to RSD direct-run schools; developed a comprehensive program to monitor Type 5 Charter Schools statewide; established a city-wide enrollment process; and reorganized the RSD to improve support for schools and reduced the central office count by more than one-third. In January 2012, White was appointed State Superintendent of Education for the State of Louisiana. White received a B.A. in English with distinction from the University of Virginia, and earned a Master’s Degree in Public Administration from New York University. So with this resume, how is even qualified to be the Supt. of Education in Louisiana? Answer: He's not! He does not listen to anyone and is the most dishonest Supt. this state has ever had. He has no experience and is ruining the State following "Dictator" Jindal's orders. If he doesn't he will be looking for work sooner than he already will be, when Jindal finally get out of office.

2) Comment by jwarren - 09/03/2013

twinkie1cat, I think part of the Jindal plan is to push good veteran teachers out the door. That is what he wants. We've been told advanced degrees don't matter, education degrees don't matter, basically anyone can teach. So get people in you can pay less and who will goose step to the common core cadence, and then get rid of them in a few years and bring in another bunch. Education on the cheap, like running a discount business. Kids get a second rate education, certain people make money, and it doesn't fall apart until after 2016, when Jindal hopes he has a new job. I've also come to the conclusion that White is nothing more than a useful idiot for Jindal. Jindal know White is incompetent, but he deflects some criticism away from Jindal.

3) Comment by twinkie1cat - 09/03/2013

Garden Variety: It is always the special ed teachers who speak out strongly and get in trouble. The schools don't want us and they don't want our kids either. Remember it was only 1975 when the states even had to start letting handicapped kids go to school. Ask your wife about PL94-142. We speak out. We are smarter than many regular teachers and did not go to school to snag a husband. We stand up for our children. We think they are beautiful, smart, and worthy of quality education even if they are not "college prep". And now Dictator Dearest wants to take their money. Figures! Remember Tara Hollis who came in second for governor is a special education teacher. If only she had had the money to win. Louisiana would be a different place.

4) Comment by twinkie1cat - 09/03/2013

Teacher guy, you always hit the mark. Teachers won't want to teach if they continue to be abused. At least 6 have quit at one elementary in Pointe Coupee this year. A friend who works for Teacher Retirement says that the number of older professionals retiring is horrific. If they don't stop abusing us, as man as can will evacuate to a state where teachers are not being abused (I don't know where with Republicans so infesting state governments.) or go to another profession at lower pay. Then all that will be left is untrained Teach for Americas and schools run by for profits and right wing religionists masquerading as Christians.

5) Comment by GardenVariety - 09/03/2013

Scrooge--yes, indeed! Nail. Hammer. Latter squarely hits head of former.

6) Comment by Scrooge - 09/03/2013

Sadow is trolling for that job as Jindal;'s butler when his department is cut.

7) Comment by GardenVariety - 09/03/2013

Between drafting and posting, one of our favorite Sith apprentices attacked. It's difficult to fathom why a fellow educator loaths us so. But a large number of his students provide an indication that he might be a teacher in name only: http://www.ratemyprofessors.com/ShowRatings.jsp?tid=568898. Also, I wonder why Darth Sadow bothers us illiterates down here in BTR when there are plenty of publications nearer to Monroe, ripe for trolling.

8) Comment by GardenVariety - 09/03/2013

Teacherguy, I couldn't agree more. In fact, I couldn't agree more with anyone who's posted here thus far. My spouse, a fire-in-the-belly-for-the-kids educator in a local parish, has personally been retaliated against by the Jindal anti-education machine--almost to the point of being fired. The reason why? Because of something critical a family member wrote about the governor's education policies. My spouse was "reassigned" (you educators know what that means), replaced by one of Jindal's cronies. For the sake of one man's and his friends' political careers, a passionate special educator of twenty years who has been an administrator for 5-6 of those years was nearly pushed out of the profession. We nearly moved out of this state, which is where my spouse's family has lived since the Acadian diaspora reached its shores hundreds of years ago. We both have been committed to the flourishing of people in this state. I became a community college instructor in the LCTCS after getting my doctorate at LSU, graduating with honors and numerous teaching awards under my belt. I did so because my spouse wanted stay in the state to help kids who were being left behind, and I thought it only made sense to do the same at the post-secondary level. After five consecutive years of Jindal's economic and political hack work on higher ed, after witnessing the same occur to K-12 ed, and then after helping my spouse get through one of the most harrowing experiences we could imagine, I have no desire to walk onto a campus ever again. I have watched talented, passionate, highly qualified people who've dedicated their lives to helping others become demoralized, become physiologically and psychologically unwell, go without basic necessities (community college faculty are on average paid less than entry-level K-12 teachers), and being bullied by administrators who are more interested in political and economic profit than the long term success of pupils. Because of how the whole situation was affecting me, my doctor had to become blunt and tell me that I had a choice: change professions or die within the next year or two. Since I graduated from high school nearly 30 years ago, I knew I wanted to be a college teacher. Everything I did in the interim--teaching high school, working in tutoring centers, teaching hundreds of college classes--I had to stop if I wanted to see my child graduate from high school. I confess all of this not because my story is important in and of itself; in fact, my story joins hundreds, if not thousands, of others as a testament to what is happening to education and educators in this state, as well as across the republic. What kind of world is to be left for coming generations of Louisianans and Americans? What will it take to get our fellow citizens and elected representatives to answer that fundamental question? In the meantime, I can only look in awe and appreciation at the teachers who persist in showing up everyday with a fervent commitment to the flourishing of the next generation--regardless of how disrespected, underpaid, and underappreciated they become.

9) Comment by Scrooge - 09/03/2013

Wonderful ad hominem arguments, Sadow. Was the irony intentional?

10) Comment by jeffsadow - 09/03/2013

Beebe: bought and paid for by the same interests who wrecked LA education; see http://jeffsadow.blogspot.com/2013/01/school-reform-critics-display-lazy.html. "Why do we continue to allow back-room deals that come out just in time for mock "public input" after all the profiteers ..." Funny how this we never heard this complaint when previous BESE lineups engaged in back-room dealing to profit the interests of incompetent teachers, lazy and surplus administrators, fellow-traveling school board members, union leeches, and ideological hacks whose policies disserved children and ripped off taxpayers -- maybe because the ones making this claim now were part of that cabal. "I guess he has BJS - Bobby Jindal Syndrome," which must be related to JDS -- Jindal Derangement Syndrome, where individuals become so obsessed with challenges to their power and privilege or ideology that they fixate on criticizing the current LA governor dispensing with fact and logic, but going heavy on conspiracy theory and absurdity. I see lots of victims of this posting below.

11) Comment by teacherguy - 09/03/2013

Nobody cares about teachers at BESE, DoE, and Jindal administration (except a few, Beebe/Hill/others). Actions speak louder than words...I see this LA reform as an experiment...and it is almost becoming comical to see what they plan to "try" next. Someone has to show the rest of the nation how NOT to do it...may I make a request? Can we try to improve teacher morale since we are working directly with our nation's number one natural resource? I don't see how lowering the morale to the point no one will ever want to work with the kids is beneficial...I mean, we all took a hit in the Newton shootings this school year. I have lost two friends, who quit, because the sheer volume of paperwork has increased to insane levels. We discuss retiring so much we almost have a calendar posted in the lounge for everyone to see our exit date. This year marks the first time in my life that teachers hit the parking lot, loaded down with stuff to do that night, ASAP...teachers at my school used to have "grading parties", lesson planning "sessions", and "business" about after-school activities. If sapping the teachers enjoyment out of school was a priority because we "play" with the kids too much....just imagine what the kids are feeling? Before you say that teachers are all play and no work...it is my belief that the high level of education that MOST teachers provide to students has been actually masking how terrible the overall population demographics of our state is. Compare the demographics of towns like Zachary, Walker, Albany...with towns like St. Helena, New Orleans, and Scotlandville...you might notice the good have been punished for the bad with this reform. And the good teachers will vanish ASAP as opposed to being mistreated...they don't HAVE to teach...they do so because they WANT to. You won't know how good you had it, until it is gone....

12) Comment by HMaltravers - 09/03/2013

I have absolutely nothing but contempt for Mr. White because he is an obvious elitist without a clue as to how to address the educational needs of Louisiana's children. He taught all of two years for Teach for America. I challenge him to last a week in an inner-city Baton Rouge or New Orleans public school.

13) Comment by Bouncer - 09/03/2013

Thanks for the info, Noel. And as always, written in clear, cogent, reader-friendly prose! :-)

14) Comment by LawyerDan65 - 09/03/2013

The new MFP cuts State aid for Gifted and Talented high school students by 50%...Curretnly it is 60% proposed is only 30%...See page 6 of 26 of the MFP formula on the BESE website http://www.boarddocs.com/la/bese/Board.nsf/files/95GKKP52170B/$file/AF_4-1_FY_13_14_Proposed_MFP_Resolution_Mar2013.pdf

15) Comment by spqr - 09/03/2013

John White is a puppet of the anti-Christ governor. Spoiled Chas Roemer represents big business who expect him to hand the state more charter $chool opportunitie$. The charter $chool$ in New Orleans are failing at a rate of 80% with grades of D or F. Some Baton Rouge charters are so desperate they offer students $200 Walmart gift cards to enroll and finish a year as so many leave with disgust at the extreme teacher turnover and lack of discipline (a future Advocate article? Nah. Not allowed). With few exceptions, BESE is a board of classroom inexperience or none at all. This so-called reform (just extreme changes, not reform) will witness in May-June a mass exodus of educators statewide unlike any year in history...Alright everyone, extend your right arm. A bit more. Don't bend the elbow. Fingers out and hold them together. Arm parallel to the ground. Heels together. Eyes ahead. Here comes Chas Roemer. Together now, "Ein BESE. Ein Fuhrer!

16) Comment by Noel Hammatt - 08/03/2013

Leaders With Vision will be sponsoring a debate between Dr. Diane Ravitch, nationally acclaimed writer and historian and Chas Roemer, (not sure how to describe him, other than to say his seat on BESE was purchased with an awful lot of money by people who expect a lot of him, or at least from him) who is currently serving as President of The Louisiana Board of Elementary and Secondary Education. Chas is the one who really believes in destroying public education so his friends can make more money, in my humble opinion. Anyway, March 14th should be interesting. Drusilla Seafood. Reservations required can can be found at Leaders With Vision website. In the late afternoon Dr. Ravitch will be holding a Dialogue with Diane, a Town Hall Meeting for teachers (but all are welcome, BUT, unlike the legislature when they were showing Carter's bills through the committee, teachers will be seated FIRST! This mtg will be at the BREC HQ building on March 14th at 5:00. 6201 Florida Boulevard is the address for the BREC HQ. Dialogue begins at 5:30.

17) Comment by Crafty1 - 08/03/2013

JW and his TFA friends could care less about the students and teachers of this state. They have no roots here and have no real desire other than financial to be here. Don't worry, they'll pack up and move on to destroy another state in short order. Hopefully, Jindal will be a lame(r) duck by then and this nightmare will be over.

18) Comment by Noel Hammatt - 08/03/2013

Since BESE is the Public Body (ref. La RS 42:1) and is over the RSD, and the RSD put together the Baton Rouge Achievement Zone "Advisory Board" and "The advisory board members are charged with assisting the RSD" then EITHER the RSD or BSES violated La RS 42:6.1D when they failed to follow the requirements of the Open Meetings Law. Read it and you will agree. Fines of $100 per member who violates this act. This is key: "A. It is essential to the maintenance of a democratic society that public business be performed in an open and public manner and that the citizens be advised of and aware of the performance of public officials and the deliberations and decisions that go into the making of public policy. Toward this end, the provisions of R.S. 42:4.1 through 10 shall be construed liberally." Why is the RSD hiding behind a fake advisory board (made up by professed "reformers" and with no one to really question the propaganda tour they had today, of the secret meetings they already had without any public notice or input. Why do we continue to allow back-room deals that come out just in time for mock "public input" after all the profiteers and the ALEC, BRAF and BRAC and CABL folks have gotten their piece of the public pie? Why indeed.

19) Comment by Get Real - 08/03/2013

I don't fault Chas Roemer for being the rat that he is...I fault the people of Central, Zachary Livingston and Ascension, who put him office over a veteran educator. When vote solely based on party afflication you asking for trouble. So public school supporters are getting what they asked for.

20) Comment by Ohsofedup - 08/03/2013

Everyone is the state can see that John White is in way over his head, and that he is strictly a puppet of Jindal's. These 2 members of BESE have the integrity to stand up for the right reasons and legal reason and really consider the respect the teachers deserve.

21) Comment by Benimillo - 08/03/2013

Well. Mr. Roemer didn't seem overly concerned about these proceedings while enjoying lunch today at Little Village with Stephen Waguespack. The requisite smugness will remain intact so not to worry!

22) Comment by Traveler - 08/03/2013

Having listened to Chas Roemer drone on....and on....and on in BESE meetings, I find it rude of him to attempt to stifle a fellow Board member.

23) Comment by Traveler - 08/03/2013

To Lottie Beebe and Carolyn Hill: Educators all over Louisiana know your names, and know that you stand for integrity and fairness on BESE. You are heroes in the eyes of many for your courage! Thank you!

24) Comment by brguy - 08/03/2013

It's encouraging to hear there are some public officials remaining who are willing to speak out against the Jindal regime, and who voice concerns about the governor's agenda and how it's impacting the state and its citizens negatively. Wonder how long before Jindal removes Beebe and Hill from BESE? He has no tolerance for independent thinkers who disagree or even question his tactics.

25) Comment by GardenVariety - 08/03/2013

Well, Chancellors Jindaltine's Sith apprentices got a taste of democracy and they didn't like it--imagine that! One can only hope legislators have attended Intro to Civics courses since last year. Bickering is good in a democracy; in fact, it is necessary to protect citizens from oligarchs and authoritarians. Thanks to Ms. Beebe for remembering what so many have forgotten, if they even knew it in the first place.

26) Comment by jwarren - 08/03/2013

So Roemer wants to silence dissenting views from duly elected public officials. I guess he has BJS - Bobby Jindal Syndrome.