Leader wary of policy shift

A potential change in the Boy Scouts of America national membership policy that would allow gays to join would be harmful to the institution’s overall membership, a longtime Baton Rouge Boy Scout troop leader said.

“I don’t think it will add scouts or instantly appeal to a different demographic if they change the policy. Overall, I think it will be more harmful to membership and cause a reduction of scouts,” Troop 478 Scoutmaster Steve Beatty said Friday.

Beatty, who has been a Boy Scout troop leader in Baton Rouge for 32 years, said he was not speaking for the Boy Scouts of America, his council, his troop or the church — Broadmoor Methodist Church — that sponsors his troop.

“I can only speak for myself,” Beatty said.

The Boy Scouts of America recently announced that the group may remove the national membership restriction regarding sexual orientation. If the national group changed the policy banning gays, it would not force individual chartered organizations that sponsor troops — churches, schools or businesses — to follow the national policy.

According to the Boy Scouts of America, the groups “that oversee and deliver Scouting would accept membership and select leaders consistent with each organization’s mission, principles or religious beliefs.”

The proposal is expected to be discussed, and possibly voted on, at a meeting Wednesday of the Boy Scouts of America’s national executive board in Texas.

A member of the Capital City Alliance, a Baton Rouge non-profit group that advocates for the fair treatment of lesbian, bisexual, gay and transgender people, said the proposal is a “good start” but doesn’t go far enough.

“It’s not going to automatically mean every troop will allow everyone to join, said Matt Patterson, a Capital City Alliance board member and chairman of the group’s education and advocacy committee. “I understand why, but I don’t like it,”

The Istrouma Area Council, the leadership group that handles administration of Boy Scout troops in 13 parishes, including East Baton Rouge, recently sent an official letter to the national leaders of the Boy Scouts of America expressing support for whatever direction the national leaders decide to take on the controversial issue.

However, the letter urges the executive board to hold off voting on lifting the ban until more people can provide input.

Eric Howell, Scout executive and chief executive officer of the Istrouma Area Council, said he has been fielding many calls and emails over the past week from parents with questions about the possible change.

Howell said he has directed those with questions to national Scout leaders, who have set up special phone numbers and email addresses for people to express their views.

“We, as a council, will support whatever the national board decides,” Howell said. “We just want to make sure there is enough time for all our shareholders to give their input.”

There are about 2,000 Boy Scouts in East Baton Rouge Parish and 8,000 Scouts total in the 13 parishes under the Istrouma Area Council, Howell said.

Art Hawkins, Scout executive of the Evangeline Area Council in the Acadiana area, said he has been fielding calls and emails “around the clock.”

Hawkins said he also has been directing parents to national scout leaders to give input because it’s national issue.

“At the end of the day the Boy Scouts has never been about sex or sexuality. That’s never been a part of scouting,” Hawkins said.

Don Ellis, Scout executive of the Southeast Louisiana Council, which oversees troops in Orleans, Jefferson and other parishes in the metro New Orleans area, said he has not received a lot of calls about the national discussion. Those who have called have been directed to national Scout contacts.

Howell, Hawkins and Ellis said the people who have gotten in touch with them about the possible policy change have expressed different opinions, pro and con, on the issue.

Beatty, the Baton Rouge Boy Scout leader who said he personally believes lifting the ban will be harmful to Scouting, stressed that neither he nor the Boy Scouts of America are anti-gay.

“We are not anti-gay,” Beatty said. “We are not anti-anything. We are positive. We have values about character and leadership. We are not opposed to people. Our values do not promote the lifestyle they choose.”

Beatty said many Scouting parents have concerns about lifting the ban.

“Everybody wants to make sure Scouts are in a safe environment,” Beatty said.

The other issue is morality, Beatty said.

“It’s a dilemma for people,” Beatty said.

Patterson, of the Capital City Alliance, said he hopes the Boy Scouts of America vote to change the policy but wishes the policy was not optional.

Patterson says he knows many people who were in the Boy Scouts. Many of them were gay, he said, and had wonderful experiences in Scouting.

“People who are in the Boy Scouts love it,” Patterson said. “Why should someone not be able to experience that just because they are gay?”


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Comments (40)


1) Comment by Bouncer - 06/02/2013

Fine "example" you're setting there, Mildred Citizen, with all of the hate spewing from you. I'll bet you're one of the types you so castigate. In other words, you're fat, friendless, and secretly pick your nose and eat it.

2) Comment by wadep66 - 04/02/2013

A huge number of eagle scouts are gay. The chapters would have the option to refuse membership. Get over it people. You lose. Many of you show how ignorant you are with your stupid comments. Mildred, we have to accept your ignorance too. WASPS no longer control the US.

3) Comment by nimby? - 04/02/2013

"On my honor I will do my best To do my duty to God and my country and to obey the Scout Law; To help other people at all times; To keep myself physically strong, mentally awake, and morally straight" .

4) Comment by HLH - 04/02/2013

@billynurse - so I suppose since churches are the biggest sponsors of Boy Scouts you would want separate ones for Muslims, Hindus, etc. Do you know who is the biggest money contributor to Boy Scouts (by a large amount)? The Mormon Church. And I have heard people say they are a "cult" (their words not mine). So should any "good Christian" belong to this organization supported by a cult? Maybe if people would stop judging based on generalizations and realize that each person should be judged on their own merits the world might be a better, more tolerant, and safer place.

5) Comment by billynurse - 04/02/2013

Many, if not most scout troops are sponsored by churches...For God's sake, can't they just start up their own "Gay Boy Scouts of America" and leave well enough alone ?!?

6) Comment by nimby? - 04/02/2013

"Any time you have grown men hanging around with children without their parents, especially when there are costumes/uniforms involved, there's going to be molestation" , Sesame street ?

7) Comment by Chucky - 04/02/2013

HLH - Thank you for sharing , people are, and they will be predators or helpers.

8) Comment by DMJ - 04/02/2013

Any time you have grown men hanging around with children without their parents, especially when there are costumes/uniforms involved, there's going to be molestation. See: Catholic Church, Boy Scouts, Penn State, etc.

9) Comment by HLH - 04/02/2013

What most people seem to ignore is that almost all pedophiles are straight. They are not gay - they are attracted to young children regardless of whether they are a boy or girl. Scouting has had their problems with child molesters and they have been straight men that have preyed on these young boys. Having worked within Scouting for 12 years with my son I have met young men in the organization that were definitely gay but no one ever had a problem with them. It just wasn't talked about. They are fine upstanding adults and I am proud to have worked with them. At the same time there were some straight young men that I still wouldn't trust to this day. People should be judged on their own merits - not some stupid stereotype.

10) Comment by ABayouBoy - 04/02/2013

To reply to those responding to my prior posts....when I refer to "normal" heterosexual male behavior it is with regards to the physical aspects of the relationship. Not to gays everyday social behavior while in public. I have no problems with someone's sexual orientation - as long as it does not dictate to society standards that "those individuals" may find acceptable, to those who do not find it acceptable. That choice is a personal preference.

11) Comment by DMJ - 04/02/2013

I got some bad news for those opposed to gays in Boy Scouts.... There are already gays in Boy Scouts. The neckerchiefs and camping trips should have given it away.

12) Comment by nimby? - 04/02/2013

opinions of morality . perhaps instead of boy /girl scouts , just scouts , a blend of home ec and camping . a more passive , diverse society for the new America , true kumbaya . yall enjoy ...

13) Comment by HRoark - 03/02/2013

Mildred Citizen, my, my, aren't you the one to pass judgement. I would welcome a country run by gays. It would be an even greater country than it is now, and it still is the greatest county in the world! Having gays in the Boy (or Girl) Scouts would be a great contribution to a progressive society. Why exactly, does that seem so threatening? What do you consider progressive?

14) Comment by MBW - 03/02/2013

This whole argument is about the political views of the adults involved, not about what's best for kids. What's best for kids is to allow ALL kids to have the opportunity to build the character and independence that scouting promotes.

15) Comment by MBW - 03/02/2013

I earned my Eagle badge over 15 years ago and I have many fond memories of Scouting. It shaped who I am today. It would be a shame to deny any young person the opportunity to participate in such an experience.

16) Comment by MBW - 03/02/2013

Letting tall people into a scout troop doesn't make Scouting all about height. Letting black people into a scout troop doesn't make it become all about race either. Letting a gay person into the scouts will affect nothing. If Scouting is not about sex, then a person's sexuality should be a non-issue.

17) Comment by Mildred Citizen - 03/02/2013

Leadership means setting an example. I, personally, don't want the example to be a homosexual. I don't like people who pick their nose and eat their boogers, either. Sexual deviants should not be part of the Scouts. Whatever you accept and condone, you get more of. In America, we now accept homosexuality, drug use, single moms, public assistance, being fat, going in debt. We've got a lot more of all of that. America used to be the greatest nation in the world and now we are the greatest debtor in the world. Happy Super Bowl Day.

18) Comment by Mildred Citizen - 03/02/2013

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19) Comment by Bouncer - 03/02/2013

Rampant ignorance used to annoy me to the point of physical illness. For the sake of my own sanity, I've learned to just smile placidly (most of the time) and let it go. Some of you are the same ones who, if you had been alive 150 years ago, would have been thumping your Bibles, screaming for blacks to be kept in chains, for women to be kept ignorant and in the kitchen, and for only property owners to be allowed to vote. You were on the wrong side of history on those issues, and in the fullness of time, you will be shown to be on the wrong side of history on this issue. That's why I don't bother trying to reason with those professing to be the "normal" ones. You can't teach those types anything. You couldn't teach them to take their hand off a hot burner.

20) Comment by Whatnow - 03/02/2013

Societal decay = liberals

21) Comment by Chucky - 03/02/2013

Terd Handler , So guess that by the time your son's are old enough they will not be joining the armed services of our country and if they should, they will be ill prepared to fight along side with their comrades in arm.

22) Comment by gary - 03/02/2013

ABayouBoy, I have visited Australia and have relatives living there - hate to mess up your move down under - they (the Aussies) don't have a problem with someone's sexual preference. I would recommend China for your move - those folks would welcome you and Mr. Beattly with open arms.

23) Comment by Bouncer - 03/02/2013

Ignorance and bigotry are "normal" for the typical backward-thinking Louisiana denizen. So in that respect, yes, you are one of the "normal" ones on the board.

24) Comment by Straight Shooter - 03/02/2013

I see a lot of people saying the word "normal." The word normal is subjective to the individual commentator. I would imagine the parent of a homosexual child could define their child as normal not solely based on their sexual orientation but rather based on their attitude, manners, respect for others, their academic or athletic achievements, etc. What I see as normal may not be what another person see as normal. I could easily (and may reasonably) say that it is abnormal for an adult to spend every day wasting their time posting the same repetitive comments about CATS, libraries, taxes, education reform, religion, sexual orientation, political figures, etc., rather than being spending precious time with their family and friends, or volunteering and being productive to make their community a better place for all children. But who am I to judge about "normalcy"?

25) Comment by Terd Handler - 03/02/2013

I read in a magazine once that the average gay man has 200 different sex partners a year. I believe it because they are always hanging out in the men's room and on street corners, trying to pick up new sex partners. The teenage gays are even worse. That's why most of them get kicked out of the Scouts after their first campout. I am an Eagle scout, but I won't let my son join the scouts if this pro-gay policy stands. Neither will most people, whih is the point ofthe article.

26) Comment by Chucky - 03/02/2013

ABayouBoy, “whatever turns you on” As a hetero do you get 'turned on' by every woman you see ? Do you get 'turned on ' by little girls ? It seems you think gay men and women get 'turned on' by every same-sex human being they see. Gay men and women are talking about commitment about love, and fidelity, the same feelings I hope you have.

27) Comment by 8point6 - 03/02/2013

"Am I only one of the few normal heterosexual males on this comments section?" No, ABB. We are the majority. However, the news media demonizes heterosexual males. If the news media/gay activists think the "gay" community is discriminated against in American, then, they should check out the rest of the world. Just google "gay rights in iran", etc.

28) Comment by brguy - 03/02/2013

@ABayouBoy: It's so ironic that you even mention Jerry Sandusky in the same post referencing "normal heterosexual males" (whatever that means) and identifying homosexuality as abnormal. Sandusky certainly didn't consider himself to be gay and by all outward appearances was just another "normal heterosexual male". Perhaps if he'd grown up in a time when homosexuality was more accepted by the general population, as it is today, the outcome would have been completely different. It's people like him who are afraid or unable to acknowledge that they might be gay that pose the greatest threat to society. And good luck on your move to Australia to escape gay-plagued America because it's everywhere and there's no getting away from it.

29) Comment by Whatnow - 03/02/2013

ABayouBoy, they can't leave normalcy in place. They don't know what it is.

30) Comment by phil - 03/02/2013

I do not think that gays (homosexuals) should be allowed in the Scouts. However if they are allowed, maybe the normal kids and Boy Scouts of America can help the young gays realize they are heading down the wrong path at an early age.

31) Comment by Chucky - 03/02/2013

jeffsadow – If the Scouts wish to keep atheist and homosexuals out, then they ( as I believe other organizations need to also ) should drop “ of America” from the name. Many Democratic, Republican and other political party's, as well as private community groups, that only allow one ideology, abuse the name.

32) Comment by ABayouBoy - 03/02/2013

Am I only one of the few normal heterosexual males on this comments section? Homosexuality is not normal behavior. So, do not force it upon the majority straight population. You, as individuals may do whatever turns you on, but leave normalcy in place. All of the problems that exist today are a direct result of the breakdown of the moral fabric in our society. Just look at the Jerry Sandusky scandal. He, to this day, refuses to acknowledge his guilt. But, he will have plenty of time to reflect on it now.

33) Comment by BR_John_Deaux - 03/02/2013

The removal of the ban is a good thing. I hope the young gentlemen who were denied their hard earned Eagle Badges because of this ban allowed to received them.

34) Comment by jeffsadow - 03/02/2013

Full information: my brother and I are both Eagle Scouts. There have been plenty of boys in Scouting who would go on to, or perhaps even did while Scouts, practice homosexual behavior. Scouting does not care to regulate how you self-identify sexually (it is a choice and there is zero scientific evidence to show there is any genetic connection to it). But what it does ask (in the Scout Oath) is that you "do my duty to God" and "To keep myself ... morally straight," and as well as to "obey the Scout Law" which means (it's 12th point) you are to be "reverent," and also (the previous 11th point) instructing you to be "clean" can be taken as that your behavior must be moral. Many organizations that sponsor Scouting organizations do not see homosexual behavior as "morally straight," as doing "my duty to God," or therefore being "reverent" and "clean," nor do many who participate in it. Still, perhaps some organizations that may choose to redefine practice of homosexuality as not immoral would choose to accept those who practice it -- but the problem here is the real issue is among those adult leaders, not Scouts themselves. Recall that no molestation of a boy by a man ever has occurred because of heterosexual acts -- only homosexual ones. To signal that it is all right to have leaders who identify themselves to the world as supporters of, if not actual, practitioners of homosexual acts, makes it easier for those who would abuse boys to enter into positions of power to be able to carry out their sick behavior. Keeping a prohibition of homosexual behavior/lifestyle on the leadership won't stop it -- as the news reminds us from time to time -- but it certainly provides a disincentive for such individuals to burrow their way into the opportunities by the necessity of have to keep their proclivities covered. I certainly can see why parents would lose confidence in an organization that does not maximize its efforts on this point and instead engages in surrender to fashion and trendiness.

35) Comment by Cousin Dave - 03/02/2013

Gays shold not be allowed in the Boy Scouts. Everything hey stand for flies in the face of Scouting. All this will do is destory the Boy Scouts.

36) Comment by Bouncer - 03/02/2013

The gay people I know are moral and ethical people....much more so than the bulk of the heterosexuals I know, most of them not at all hesitant to trot out their "Christianity" as if it is a card certifying their status as a "good" person. Just sayin'...........

37) Comment by Chucky - 03/02/2013

Bighug – Yes I had a little problem with the morality statement as it presupposes a belief in a god. I do think scouting needs to foster morality if you have a belief in a god but is not their job to make you believe in a god . In my opinion most will make a better scout with a belief in a higher power but it should not be a litmus test. As scouting is all over the world it is not a religious or Christen organization.

38) Comment by Bighug - 03/02/2013

Boys are not at risk from gays, but from grown men who aren't gay. Sexual preference isn't a choice, it is determined by genetics. His statements show his religious based hatred. That will make him popular with the local hate groups. The Boy Scouts also refuse to allow atheists to join. Just pick a god and you can be a member. Any god will work. Beatty shows his ignorance in his comments about safety and life choices. Young G'day, BayouBoy, and good riddance.

39) Comment by Chucky - 03/02/2013

I was in Scouting as were my four brothers, I feel like it would be good to allow gays into scouting now. Since our military has open the closet door for gays I think scouting helps young boys to better prepare for service and become better citizens over all. High standards of ethics and morality is a good thing for all.

40) Comment by ABayouBoy - 03/02/2013

To allow gays in the scouts is wrong, wrong, wrong. The BSA stands for high standards of ethics and morality. If this current trend continues in our nation then I'm going to consider moving to Australia.