Generational shifts viewed in teacher assessments

Advocate staff photo by BRYAN TUCK -- Port Barre Middle School sixth-grade teacher Sandra Ardoin. Show caption
Advocate staff photo by BRYAN TUCK -- Port Barre Middle School sixth-grade teacher Sandra Ardoin.

Sandra Ardoin, who is a first-year teacher, is anything but rattled about the prospects of rigorous new job reviews that are under way in public schools across Louisiana.

“What the evaluations are looking for is what I was taught to do,” Ardoin said.

“They really are not that different than when I was evaluated as an undergraduate,” Ardoin added.

But Michelle Williams, an educator for 13 years, said she has mixed views about the new job checks, including details of how the state decides whether students have shown sufficient gains from the previous school year.

“The model they have implemented is flawed,” Williams said.

The views point up sort of a generational split among teachers nationally when it comes to sweeping changes in teacher evaluations, according to an online survey by Teach Plus, which says it promotes quality teachers in urban areas.

In general, teachers with 10 or fewer years in the classroom embrace the changes, including reviews that link the growth of student achievement to teacher performance, and ultimately whether they keep their job, according to the group.

But those with 11 or more years of teaching, the report says, are far less receptive to the evaluations and other changes.

“Whereas the notion of standards of effectiveness finds broad support among all teachers, measuring teacher effectiveness sees far less support among veteran teachers,” the group said in a 16-page report.

The issue touches on one of the most controversial topics in years for the state’s roughly 55,000 public school teachers, and thousands of teachers in other states where similar laws have been put in place.

Gov. Bobby Jindal, who pushed for the overhaul in teacher job reviews, portrays the changes as a way to improve student performance, and boost student achievement.

Teacher unions and other opponents say the new evaluations are seriously flawed, and demoralizing to much of the state’s teacher workforce.

Under the old rules, teachers typically were reviewed formally once every three years, mostly through classroom observations by principals.

The fact that 98 percent of teachers were rated as “satisfactory” while student achievement ranks near the bottom of the nation pointed up the need for improvements, backers of the overhaul said.

Under the new rules, 50 percent of the evaluations will be based on the growth of student achievement and 50 percent on classroom observations.

The student achievement will be linked to standardized tests for about one-third of teachers, such as math and science educators, and on student-growth targets for others.

Those rated as “ineffective” for two years in a row — the 10th percentile or lower — could face dismissal proceedings.

Job reviews will also start being linked to tenure — a form of job protection — during the 2013-14 school year.

Andy Kling, a physical education teacher at Dutchtown Primary School, said the new reviews offer a more thorough way to judge how teachers are faring, especially through feedback that can pave the way for professional development.

“The current changes, although sometimes painful, are necessary,” Kling said in an email response to questions.

Williams, a former classroom teacher who now instructs English II and English III teachers at East Feliciana High School, said she agrees with the need for the new job reviews.

“Their children need to show some kind of growth,” she said of educators.

But Williams and some others said her concern is the details of the evaluations, how they account for issues outside the teacher’s control and the fact they continue to undergo tweaks, including some approved last month by the state Board of Elementary and Secondary Education.

“It is contantly changing,” she said.

Williams said details of the new reviews have “a lot of kinks that need to be worked out.”

Teach Plus said that, in one finding, 71 percent of teachers new to the classroom agreed that student learning should be part of the evaluations compared to just 41 percent of veteran educators.

The report said one reason for differences among new and veteran teachers is the time when they entered education.

Those who have joined the classroom in the past decade, the study says, did so during an era of increasing standards and student assessments, and sweeping federal legislation like the No Child Left Behind act in 2001.

Ardoin said that, during training, teachers her age heard about the emphasis on inquiry and children working together rather than more reliance on textbooks, like many of her veteran counterparts.

Mitzi Murray, a 13-year veteran who teaches civics and law studies at West Monroe High School, said she generally backs the new evaluations and that most new teachers she has talked to are not critical of the overhaul.

“On the other hand, I have noticed that veteran teachers are more resistant to the changes being required by the new system,” Murray said in an email.

Julie Stephenson, who teaches 10th and 11th grade English at Ruston High School, was Louisiana high school teacher of the year in 2011.

Stephenson, who is in her 14th year of teaching, said the new reviews are a big improvement over the previous job checks.

“I think those evaluations and observations had become rote and mechanical,” she said.

But she also questioned whether the new job checks can truly reflect some of the problems teachers grapple with, such as an unusualy unruly group of 15-year-old students.

“Any given year, you might have a particular group of kids or circumstances that simply cannot be managed as effectively as other years,” Stephenson said.

State officials have said the job reviews make allowances for a wide range of nonacademic issues, including household poverty.

The key, they say, is for the student to show improvement over the previous school year, which officials call a reliable way to forecast future academic performance.

Stephenson said the new evaluations will have an effect, especially for struggling teachers.

“This model is either going to make them change or make them leave,” she said.


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1) Comment by DanM - 09/02/2013

The difference in veteran teacher to newer teacher attitudes towards recent "reforms" gets only superficial examination. It is wrapped in a tidy package by a quote from the beginning, "What the evaluations are looking for is what I was taught to do,” (Sandra Ardoin, who is a first-year teacher) and a quote from the end: “This model is either going to make them (more veteran teachers) change or make them leave,” she (Julie Stephenson) said. The problems with this is that it is willfully ignorant of the societal decay that public schools are being forced to support, and the burdens schools must deal with get a dismissive (if not disingenuous) acknowledgement with the claim that "State officials have said the job reviews make allowances for a wide range of nonacademic issues, including household poverty." Newer teachers are coming up through a society and a system where increasing wealth at the top, and increasing poverty, under-employment and joblessness at the bottom are accepted as the norm. Those benefiting in this system are among those looking to reform schools into a "data" driven system that falls into line with this approach to our country and its economy: keeping the infrastructure working in a way that preserves inequity. Narrow measures and complicated (and sometimes dishonest) formulas are being used to disrupt communities to suit the formula-makers (reformer-lobbies, charter school companies, testing/curriculum/data industry...). Revealing to schools and students the coercive data path to a poorly or ill-defined goal ("college and career ready") is much different than supporting the creation of critical thinkers capable of making this world a better place. That might be the source of some of the resistance from more veteran teachers.

2) Comment by Iamhopeful2 - 04/02/2013

According to Stand for Children web site http://stand.org/louisiana The teachers who spoke positively for this article are their "members." Is Will Sentell on their payroll or The Advocate?

3) Comment by bayouboy77 - 03/02/2013

Any business or industry that would place the ignorant views of an inexperienced graduate over seasoned veterans who have been in the trenches for many years would not be in business long. This "new" teacher dismisses the textbooks used by "older" teachers. Ask her how she, and pretty much ever other college educated person reading this post, learned. It is stupidity like this that led to my resignation last spring after 13 years of being a certifited, highly-qualified, and tenured teacher. My wife resigned as well after 13 years. We just couldn't take it anymore. Life is too short to be miserable trying to jump through all of Jindal's hoops. Maybe he and John White will come teach the kids. They seem to have all the answers. I do feel bad for the good kids. They deserve better. I miss teaching them a whole bunch.

4) Comment by Warp7 - 03/02/2013

I am sure the Advocate had to dig hard to get positives on this article! To bad they don't put the same effort out in reviewing our constantly out of state Governor!

5) Comment by jwarren - 03/02/2013

It is not generational, Chucky. Check out the source of the data. My questions stand. What is the validity of the survey data? Why are good young teachers leaving because of all the so-called reforms? Generational? I know younger teachers who are totally opposed to the 'reforms' and leaving teaching because they think they are no longer being asked to teach, that they are being told now to be test prep specialists. They tell me the soul has been stolen from teaching. Note the reporter does not question the source. This is just using a news release from an interest group, adding a few comments, and callling it reporting.

6) Comment by Chucky - 03/02/2013

No rebuttals from Jeffrey Sadow

7) Comment by Bouncer - 03/02/2013

I share everyone's skepticism. In addition, it takes a number of years for a teacher to become a seasoned veteran, certainly no less than 10. And even then, you've not "seen it all," as the saying goes. As far as jeffsadow's diatribe is concerned, just go to ratemyprofessors.com and look up his name. If his supervisors paid any attention at all to what his students say about him, he would be tossed out of the classroom on his ear. Talk about faulty teaching................

8) Comment by 1ryben - 03/02/2013

Why won't The Advocate explain why some are opposed. They just say teacher unions and others oppose. Why won't The Advocate do their readers a service by explaining who these groups are that release these studies. There seems to be a different study by a different group each week. It's difficult to keep up. I follow education unite closely but I've never heard of Teach+Plus. I am highly skeptical of these "educational experts." But what do I know; I'm no "education expert", I'm only a teacher with over a decade of experience and a national board certified teacher.

9) Comment by Chucky - 03/02/2013

jwarren -"inexperienced teachers" you call teachers with over five years experience ( part of those who embrace this) "inexperienced"? It is a Generational Shift, You understand " A group of generally contemporaneous individuals regarded as having common cultural or social characteristics and attitudes" You may be part of this generation but not agree and you would be in the minority, if you are older and not part of that generation you are in the majority.

10) Comment by jwarren - 03/02/2013

So inexperienced teachers support something they don't fully understand, while experienced teachers generally oppose something they do understand. Interesting. A couple of comments. 1. I wonder if the reporter can tell us more about Teach Plus, or is he simply using a news release that was sent to him. 2. I know several good young teachers who have left the profession because of the 'reforms.' These were teachers who were going to do well, but they see the reforms as destroying their ability to teach effectively, as opposed to simply prepare children for standardized tests.

11) Comment by spqr - 03/02/2013

Riroon...thanks for clarifying that. Either way, I think we agree.

12) Comment by 1ryben - 03/02/2013

Riroon, I agree with your statement that COMPASS is not perfect, but if administered properly it will provide some real feedback that we can use to better our craft. I didn't intend to sound like such a cheerleader for compass, but I do believe it is an improvement. At the very least, would you agree that yearly observations are better than two or three years between observations? And yes, a spiteful principal can give you poor marks and it negate the VAM measures but that has always been the case. One of the issues was that nearly no teachers were ever marked negatively. Yes, it is obvious that no qualified individuals have developed the compass rubrics. Yes it is a very telling statement when people that have little to no education background and experience have so much control over policy.

13) Comment by Riroon - 03/02/2013

Re: spqr -- 50% of teachers leave the profession before their 5th year. This has been the trend for years, way before the reform crowd got it. Teaching is a rough profession where only the strong survive. And it's just not the unions crying out this stat. Bobby Jindal, in his first successful run, touted that percentage rate in his brochures. HERE WE ARE, a half-decade later. The 50% dropoff hasn't changed. Now we have retirements going up 25-33% (And count me in that number, baby. I'm gone after this year). Professors at one university I spoke to said enrolees for the teaching profession have dropped about 30%. Not sure if that's a trend among all universities or not.

14) Comment by Riroon - 03/02/2013

I have to disagree a bit with 1ryben here, whe he/ she said that COMPASS is not an issue. If you are familiar with the Compass Observation Workbook, you will see that it is mathematically flawed (gamed?) to make teachers look bad. Add in the fact that Molly Horstman, a non-education graduate with two years in Teach For America and NO valid teaching license is in charge of COMPASS, and you can see how COMPASS is just as much of a joke as the VAM (Value Added Model -- the other half of the evaluation). Oh, and if your Principal loves your job (COMPASS) and your kids bomb their standardized test (VAM), you are labeled a failure as a teacher. If your principal hates your guts (COMPASS) but your kids soar on their tests (VAM), you are still labeled a failure. http://slftblogs.net/2012/10/10/put-the-c-o-w-to-pasture-mel-tears-apart-the-compass-observation-workbook/

15) Comment by Chucky - 03/02/2013

It is a Generational shift not just this one person's view, and it is about time that teachers came into the 21st century on performance and not just hang on "it's a vocation" " I have years behind me " " you hate unions" All we are asking like in any other job, is perform and show results.

16) Comment by spqr - 03/02/2013

Most like Ms Ardoin will be gone from the profession in two years. Do not leave us, you so-called old foggies, who still possess the guts and fortitude to outlast those spoiled, soft youthful teachers who cannot cut it and the stats prove it.

17) Comment by teacherguy - 03/02/2013

@countryboycansurvive - funny. @everyone but jeffsadow...I agree with you. @jeffsadow...it is EASY for you to criticize us from your college classroom where your students aren't required by law to "exist" until age 16 with parent consent, and 18 without. We do not mind being evaluated, and we like to know that our students have shown more progress than other students, we would like to see the lowest of us teachers get a swift kick in the behonkers if they aren't cutting the mustard! For the most part, we agree students need to be taught "the basics"....but that is the problem....what I teach this year will not even be reviewed by the teacher next year because the assumption is the students have mastered the basics once they pass THE test. The grade levels are so isolated from each other, the relationship between 5th grade and 6th grade skills are diminishing rapidly...so that our 8th grade teachers are dealing with students that have forgotten how to multiply/divide/subtract complex numbers. You suggest we want to blame shift? I can assure you...there is a statistically significant difference between the scores of schools where parents provide basic educational maintenance on their children (Zachary, W. Feliciana, etc.) and those who don't (EBR, St. Helena, etc.) My last student teacher couldn't get a foot in the door in the top school districts when looking for a job last summer, they told her to apply online....and she was offered guaranteed jobs over the phone at various schools in New Orleans, EBR, etc. Parental investment into students' education is a much sought after quality among ALL teachers, and when it isn't there...how dare YOU walk into my classroom and tell me (because I had to face this task alone) I am worse at my craft than other teachers when I know I have done more than anyone else in their family to help them???? (And I ask this question from one of the top 10 districts in the state...with almost highly effective VAM/Compass scores...I ask this question for those managing despite what stands against them in the classroom.)

18) Comment by 8point6 - 03/02/2013

"Teacher unions and other opponents say the new evaluations are seriously flawed"....Hey, medium, could you change that sentence a little? Every time this comes up, you print the same thing. We all KNOW "teacher unions and other opponents" are opposed to this. Happy Super Bowl!

19) Comment by Attila - 03/02/2013

The world belongs to the young. Move over old fogies your time has come and gone....and judging from your recent success in EBR it is past time for some new blood.

20) Comment by 1ryben - 03/02/2013

Jeff, If education majors have begun to close the gap on you classes it is not in any way caused by these reforms. They only started this year! The kids effected by these reforms are not yet at your college. Your comment proves that teachers are and can do a great job without this bogus VAM. One place we do agree is that yes, teachers do need to be held to a high standard, we should be held accountable. We are professionals. (Even though recent changes in policy will prevent teaching from being a profession, therefore keeping pay low, but that's not the topic) The issue is that VAM does neither. COMPASS, great improvement (can still be tweaked here and there, but better). As I stated earlier, observe me teach. Heck, even put a hidden camera and watch me everyday. VAM is junk science. No, just junk. There's no science there. One more thing. Over reliance on standardized testing will and does narrow the curriculum. After all, all that matters is that one test. It does stifle creativity and creative thinking. Unless you think finding ways to game the system is creative thinking. Just look at current research on computerized adaptive testing. We can certainly discuss the pro-con of this evaluation model and even general education policy if you'd like, but given your previous posts on teachers and the teaching profession, I'm sure you already think I'm lazy and incompetent and only teach because I have no other options. That because I am an educator, teacher, whatever you rather call me I can't possibly know anything about education. If you can put aside your disdain for a few minutes I'm sure you'd see we are not the enemy nor the problem.

21) Comment by 1ryben - 03/02/2013

It's the Value Added Model (VAM) that's problematic. VAM is an algorithm that is supposed to measure student growth. It is also supposed to account for other outside factors beyond the teacher's control. Sounds good so far right? What teacher in their right mind would be against this?!? You know the saying, too good to be true. Well, it is. You see, no one has been able to explain this algorithm to any of us. If memory serves me right, he creator of the formula no longer works for LDOE. I believe he quit. It also seems as though the formula and scale is being constantly adjusted. You'd think they just keep playing around with it until they get the outcome that they desire.manipulate the data until they prove their preconceived notions. Mountains of research points that the VAM model is wildly erratic and unreliable. To make matters worse, even if it were reliable, it is only one test! One standardized test given to non-standardized students. There is no standardized way of learning and teaching. One, huge test given over four days. Each day is 3-4 hours of tests! Oh, and unless you are in 4th, 8th, or 12th grade there is no incentive for the students to even try. There is no reward nor penalty based upon their performance. Heck, in 8th grade only Math and ELA scores count toward promotion and I assure you 8th graders know this and do not try as hard on the science and social studies portions. And this is where VAM can count for more than half. Score in the bottom category and no matter what evidence there is from actual observation of your teaching skills, you are labeled ineffective and on the fast track to the unemployment line.

22) Comment by jeffsadow - 03/02/2013

Very interesting article, which highlights differences in generational attitudes that stem from a larger cultural clash where, until the introduction of standards-based reform here, where Louisiana predominantly fell on the wrong side of it. The old generation here generally asked that they be judged not on outcomes, but on fidelity to process. As long as an evaluator every few years could check off enough boxes, they feel they are doing a good job, and who cares whether the students could actually (let's use English as an example) read and write, use a vocabulary past cartoons, spell correctly, construct sentences correctly, and even build and sustain written arguments. And if you cared about these things and they didn't succeed in these ways, you could always find an exculpatory argument, such as the parents are to blame, the families are too poor, etc. to salve your conscience. But now that outcomes are used -- and not in an absolute sense, but only comparatively -- there are no more excuses. This threatens those of the process-oriented culture and come up with the lamest of arguments against it. For example, they argue that the outcome-oriented process discourages creative thinking -- with zero understanding that the problem has been in the inability of too many students to master the basics. Until those are mastered, the tools are not there to engage in any critical thinking and communication of its results. A related criticism is that teachers themselves are less likely to think critically in doing their job -- yet outcomes continue to rise (and, at an anecdotal level, in my college classroom, while education majors always have been my weakest students, recently they have started to close the gap considerably in their reasoning skills). I read a new one below -- a zero-sum mentality when it comes to student growth, positing that a student can learn only so much so if somebody else gets them to learn more, it looks like you made them learn less by comparison. In reality, when you have the skill to do so, you can help them (for the job of a teacher is not to teach, but to guide them into learning how to teach themselves, a skill they will need to use the rest of their lives) continue to grow as learners. It's attitudes like this, and the related blaming of everybody but yourself for a long-term inability to get students to learn adequately, which have poisoned superior education in Louisiana and which need to be flushed out of the system, which these reforms (not just the evaluations, but many others, and still others that should be implemented such as regular subject area exams of teachers). I will be long retired before the full benefits of these reforms become imprinted on the population of students we get in our Louisiana college classrooms, but it is an exciting time for those who will follow me and enjoy their fruits.

23) Comment by SuzanneMS - 03/02/2013

If this is such a great evaluation method, why aren't private schools using it? In what other profession are the naive, idealistic, unrealistic hopes and expectations of the inexperienced elevated over the informed, pragmatic, tried wisdom of the experienced? I dare say that there is a "generational" difference among newspaper reporters, as well, about what they can realistically expect. I'd bet that the young ones think they are going to be Baton Rouge's answer to Woodward and Bernstein. The tragedy here is that the impact of these flawed and inaccurate methods will not become apparent for at least 10 years, when students leaving Louisiana public schools will not be able to do anything but select the correct answer from four choices on a standardized test. They won't be able to think creatively or critically, to express themselves verbally or in writing, to evaluate their own work, to accept criticism and benefit from it, to work with others on joint projects. We're already seeing the effects of No Child Left Behind at the college level, with students who cannot even select a topic for a term paper, let alone right one that is properly constructed and convincing. The children in school today won't be prepared to succeed in the workplace or in higher education. Of course, by then, Jindal and White and their for-profit cronies will have taken the money and run. Even if Louisiana is able to get back on track, an entire generation will have been lost -- of students and of teachers because today's teachers are not being taught to teach. They are being prepared to be test coaches, preparing students to perform on standardized tests. Except, of course, at private schools, which rightly and wisely reject these tests and these evaluation methods.

24) Comment by 1ryben - 03/02/2013

What the author of this article and these inexperienced teachers fail to understand is that the problem is not the entire evaluation system. There are two parts to the evaluation. One consists of a yearly evaluation by administrative personnel. This part of the evaluation, though still with some flaws, is a great improvement over the previous system. Need the previous system some teachers would only be evaluated every few years. Now it is yearly and we can receive regular feedback n an effort to improve our craft. I'd even welcome multiple evaluations per year if time and money would allow. I'd venture out to say that most teachers would even agree with me. You see, this portion is someone watching me actually teach, manage a classroom, plan the lesson, assess the learning, read and react to a living classroom. All in an attempt to help me improve my craft. This first part of the system is called COMPASS. The point of contention is the other half (though in some cases it will be all, not half...I'll explain).

25) Comment by Traveler - 03/02/2013

Mr. Sentell (Advocate reporter): Please keep first-year teacher Sandra Ardoin's contact information on file and get back to her in three years (if she's still teaching then). My expectation is that, by the 2015-16 school year, she'll sing a different tune. At this point in the school year, she has not yet received the final results of her first-year evaluation, and she is likely over-confident (Most first-year teachers are still naive enough to think that they are going to change the world.). What is even sadder to me is that she speaks the truth when she says that her university teacher-training program mirrors the state's teacher evaluation plan. Rather than stand up for teachers as creative professionals, university teacher-training programs are simply conforming to the state's model (in part to keep their graduates from getting fired). These new graduates know how to "follow the manual," but they can't think outside the box to meet each child at his/her point of need. Veteran teachers (who were trained prior to the assault on public education) know how to do so much more than just "follow the manual." A rigid curriculum, inflexible pacing guides, and wasted time "teaching the test" are impeding their skills.

26) Comment by CountryBoysCanSurvive - 03/02/2013

This teacher must be the cafeteria monitor.

27) Comment by teacherguy - 03/02/2013

@lovemykids - thanks. I realized I left my mechanic/doctor comparison unfinished...there have been students where I have been asked by parents, what else will you do to help my child succeed...and my answer to that question has been, I'm doing all I can in the 50 minutes per day and 29 other kids in his class that I can....however, YOU can insist he check his grades daily, download my assignments from my homework page if he hasn't completed them, and see to it that it is finished at home. YOU can help him in my social studies class by reading a book with him, instead of watching TV or letting him go play video games all night, by you reading one page, him read one page discussing the story as you go. This will increase his reading/writing skills, comprehension and vocabulary, and teach him what it means to THINK as y'all discuss character/plot development. The parents that take my advice...their kids' scores sky rocket not just in MY class, but all his classes (saving math)...the parents that don't...well...I see me being reprimanded for not doing my job as a violation of their warranty maintenance.

28) Comment by lovemykids - 03/02/2013

Teacherguy, I am sorry to say you are wasting your time with such a long post. Jindal/White have made up their minds and decided that teachers are greedy, uncaring, and lazy and they will do anything to prove it. I feel sorry for the public school teachers and children of this state.

29) Comment by teacherguy - 03/02/2013

Experience vs non-experience...and this study/article sides, like the rest of the LDoE's credentials, with non-experience. Inexperienced teachers do not fully understand these evaluations blame the teachers for variables out of their control. If a vehicle (or any other machinery) owner does not provide proper maintenance records, their warranty becomes null and void...it is ABSURD to blame the mechanic they didn't allow to perform the maintenance! If your doctor tells you to eat less and move more to get healthier, yet you sit on the couch with a box of Popeye's each night...it is ABSURD to blame your doctor for what you didn't do. Experienced teachers are fully aware of what they can, and can not, control...inexperienced teachers tend to still have blinders on to these variables.......Another difference between the experienced/inexperienced teachers allowing student scores to determine teacher effectiveness is inexperienced teachers are willing to narrow the curriculum to 300 vocabulary words and using proper technique in answering constructed response questions (test monkeys)- experienced teachers want to instill a love of learning about topics that interest students that may not align with the list of information "they" narrow us down to teach. Another fight experienced teachers are fighting here is that ALL teachers are team workers...if a teacher down the hall from me is "struggling", I will open up my "treasure chest" of techniques, topics, skills that WORK...but when I help that 6th grade teacher raise his scores, my 7th graders the next year will be harder for me to show gains with. In essence, I cut my own throat by helping the teacher down the hall. Here is the REAL evaluation to determine if teachers are going to stay or leave...are you willing to come back and do it again next year? If the answer to that question is yes...administrators generally say, "Thank God!" We can help make you a stronger teacher with EXPERIENCE....this is why "country and inner city" districts struggle to place "effective" teachers...the pool of eligible applicants willing to go there for the salary they will pay is shrinking every year. NOW, we are going to "kick out" those who do show up? Experienced teachers WANT to improve...but the way this evaluation system is set up assigns blame to the wrong people (teachers) in many cases, narrows the curriculum to words on a list and test-taking technique, reduces teamwork among teachers, and will decrease the amount of experienced teachers in our classrooms. I think it is funny that the teaching profession is being lowered to a part time minimum wage job for the most part....it is funny because the leading education countries in the world place their teachers on a pedestal. Instead of vilifying the teachers and telling them what they don't need, they ask them what they need and then work to give it to them.

30) Comment by Chucky - 03/02/2013

If you have proper evaluation and you are found wanting then change or leave, I would add or be fired.