Value of two-year degree argued

It’s commonly accepted that earning a four-year college degree goes a long way to increase a person’s lifetime earning prospects.

But a growing body of research shows that students who graduate with two-year degrees are having an easier time finding jobs and are earning more money immediately after graduation.

State Commissioner of Higher Education Jim Purcell spearheaded one study that shows a steady trend where graduates with associate degrees out-earned their bachelor’s degree counterparts by roughly $3,000 — $35,544 to $32,742 — 18 months after graduation.

Other research has shown that students with bachelor’s degrees generally close the salary gap within five years and make up the entire difference in wages earned after 12 years.

Purcell’s 2011 Louisiana Employment Outcome Report further shows that 72.5 percent of two-year graduates were employed 18 months after graduation compared to 59.5 percent of students who’d earned bachelor’s degrees.

Louisiana Community and Technical College System President Joe May said the country, and Louisiana in particular, needs to break out of the old mind-set that a four-year degree is the only sure route to a well-paying career.

“When we say that, we’re really talking about 20 percent of the population,” May said. “So by definition, we’re saying that 80 percent of people are a failure. That’s really the wrong message to send.”

May said the biggest driver of associate degree salaries outpacing bachelor’s degree salaries is technology. Between 2009 and 2010, May said, 75,000 people in Louisiana slid into poverty.

Many of those people lost their jobs because they didn’t have the required training or skill to keep that job.

He said more than half of the Louisiana employers looking for people to fill engineering technician jobs have trouble finding employees with those particular skills.

“At the same time, people want jobs, so we have to find a way to match them together,” May said. “This is why two-year salaries are outpacing four-year salaries. It’s a pretty simple case of supply and demand. We have a shortage in the skilled areas.”

Another factor to consider is mobility, he said. People with advanced degrees are more likely to seek jobs out of state, while those who haven’t gone as far in school are more likely to stay close to home, he said.

Engineering firms typically need up to four technicians for every engineer they hire, May continued. Those businesses have no trouble recruiting engineers from out of state, but they run into problems getting technicians to relocate.

“So we have a demand for technicians, and people going into process technology; and nursing; and respiratory therapy; and physical therapy; and instrumentation,” May said. “Those careers are in demand and so you’re going to see them command higher salaries.”

May said the Louisiana Community and Technical College System has adapted in the last five years by shutting down roughly 500 programs that don’t lead to some of the most in-demand jobs. At the same time, the system has added 200 new programs employers have asked for including training for hospitality-related programs and in digital media, he said.

Barry Erwin, president of the education lobbying group, Council for A Better Louisiana, said the key for the state is to have the right balance of four-year and two-year degrees.

“There are lots of available good jobs that only require a two-year degree, and with the recession people with four-year degrees are having to look around some more,” he said. “But one type of degree is not more important than the other, particularly in our state. We need to increase educational attainment at all levels.”

Purcell said colleges and universities have to align programs offered with the needs of the state.

He also argued for balance among two-year and four-year degrees. He noted that nurses with two-year degrees initially earn the same salary as nurses with bachelor’s degrees, but the nurse with the advance degree is the one who generally gets promoted to a nurse advisor.

“Secondary education is necessary in the modern economy,” Purcell said. “Over time, more education equals more choices and the opportunity to earn more money.”


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Comments (8)


1) Comment by IMVOR - 28/01/2013

Do I understand Mr. Purcell's remarks correctly to mean that universities are not economical because Louisiana has accepted the notion that students who graduate with advanced degrees will not stay in Louisiana, and we'll simply import the college and university graduates we need from elsewhere? I'm still trying to wrap my head around that logic. I suppose it is quite consistent with Louisiana's worldview, historically.

2) Comment by HMaltravers - 25/01/2013

Having an associate's degree is like kissing your sister: there's nothing to it.

3) Comment by bourbon-soda - 25/01/2013

@phil - congratulations on what seems to be an incipient epiphany. This essay by a professor at the business end of expanded access stimulated a lot of comment in different places < http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2008/06/in-the- basement-of-the-ivory-tower/306810/ > or google "teaching in the basement of the ivory tower." The inflation analogy is apt, as is that of the higher education bubble.

4) Comment by phil - 25/01/2013

jeffshadow makes a good point and I will need to think about this more. Perhaps the fact that almost everyone can attend a 4-year college for free is kind of like the government printing money. If there are too many easy college courses and college graduates, and too much "free" money perhaps both could become almost worthless in the long term. I will think about this for a while, but I also think I already know the answer.

5) Comment by jeffsadow - 25/01/2013

There is another reason to explain this, one that higher education is loath to admit -- I'll bet if you subtracted out those who majored in liberal arts as well as the gimmick degrees (such as "identity" majors), those figures quoted in the article would swing in the direction of baccalaureate degrees. The liberal arts, the area in which I teach, are valuable and a necessity as a part of every college student's learning. However, with all of the free money the state (through TOPS and, to a lesser degree, GO Grants) and especially the federal government (easy-to-receive grants and loans) shovels at students, this encourages marginal students who don't have the temperment or real desire to engage in a true college education experience to head to college (for some, only to mark time while they figure out what they want to do when they grow up) and when they do they pick what they think are the easiest majors -- the liberal arts. Worse, all too often faculty indulge this sensibility, by either of both of not really challenging them to think critically and express their ideas (the real purpose of the liberal arts) and/or as part of instruction engaging more in politicization than in genuine intellectual inquiry. A significant number flunk out regardless, but then the rest graduate in art, history, sociology, social work, political science, English, etc. and find out that, excepting those who have taken seriously their preparation and leveraged that into finding a job or going for graduate/professional degrees, they really aren't employable in a job with salary commensurate to their time and effort (and dollars for some) spent in and on their educations. We (as instructors in the liberal arts) have the means to stop this waste of resources by creating challenging coursework, which would discourage those marginal students from thinking college is all a matter of Basket Weaving 101 and shunt them elsewhere or get their minds right and ready to think critically, but unfortunately that's not done often enough.

6) Comment by phil - 25/01/2013

It seems to me that in some cases we are now calling trade schools colleges and comparing them with 4-year colleges. Having a trade can be just as beneficial as having a college degree in many situations, so I am not suggesting that going to a trade school is not beneficial However, if I need a brain surgeon I think I will stick with one that went to a 4-year college and medical school etc. and not to a 2-year college.

7) Comment by bourbon-soda - 25/01/2013

They have had two fewer years to become accustomed to vacation, intoxication, and fornication, than have the four-year graduates.

8) Comment by crabby - 25/01/2013

I've got a great idea . . . let's focus on creating a number of 2-year schools and then after a while turn them into 4-year schools. That should solve everything.