Self-defense guns discussed at luncheon

As gun sales soar in the wake of last month’s school shooting massacre in Connecticut, fueled in large part by the specter of new gun control measures, East Baton Rouge Parish Republicans hosted a luncheon Tuesday to advise people on the best weapons to buy for self-defense and home protection.

The suggestions included the Glock pistol, 2-inch revolver, short-barrel shotgun and the AR-15, the semiautomatic rifle used in the Newtown, Conn., shooting that has been in high demand amid calls by gun control advocates to ban assault-style weapons.

In a program the Republican Party of East Baton Rouge Parish had touted as “one of our best and most interesting programs ever,” local GOP leaders also heard about mental health issues, and they vowed to oppose any efforts to restrict their Second Amendment rights.

“For the Republican Party, this is a litmus-test issue,” said Woody Jenkins, the former state legislator who serves as the party’s local chairman. “This is something that Republicans are going to unite on and that the party is going to take a strong stance on.”

Greg Phares, a former Baton Rouge police chief and former parish sheriff, discussed four types of firearms he said are best suited for home and self-defense, identifying the Glock pistol, 2-inch revolver, short-barrel shotgun and AR-15 semiautomatic rifle.

Phares, a proponent of gun rights, described the advantages and disadvantages of each weapon and displayed two handguns — a Glock and a revolver — to Republicans gathered at Café Americain in Baton Rouge.

“I can’t tell you how many times in my police career at the PD and the Sheriff’s Office I have investigated and or talked to citizens, ordinary citizens, who were confronted with violence, violent criminals, and who used a firearm to defend themselves and defeat that criminal,” Phares said.

In response to the gathering, Holley Haymaker, a local gun control advocate, questioned the need for homeowners to have any type of firearm.

“What we know is that a gun in the home is far more likely to lead to an injury to an adolescent or child than it is to be effective for self-defense,” she said in a telephone interview.

During the luncheon, Phares praised the reliability of the 2-inch revolver and the light weight of the Glock, long a favorite among law enforcement agencies. He said the short-barrel shotgun is a “terrific home defense weapon.”

“It’s very intimidating,” Phares said. “It’s pretty easy to operate and, at a short range, it is very, very effective.”

A disadvantage for some users of the shotgun, Phares added, is that it’s “fairly heavy and takes some strength to operate.”

Shane Evans, a veteran law enforcement officer who works for the East Baton Rouge Parish Coroner’s Office, addressed the “strengths” of the AR-15, such as its capacity to accommodate accessories like a mounted light.

“If someone’s kicking in the front door of our house, we don’t want to hurt our kids,” Evans told the Republican gathering, adding jokingly that he also would not want to strike his wife or dog with an errant round.

Efforts to restrict sales of the AR-15 — the semiautomatic rifle used to slaughter 20 schoolchildren in Newtown, Conn. — could have the unintended consequence of depriving law enforcement officers of the weapon, Evans said.

“I’m here to tell y’all that the vast majority of police who use an AR-15 type weapon in this country on duty privately own it,” Evans said. “If you see a police officer in this town, or especially when you get into smaller jurisdictions, the odds are he took his own money and purchased it and is using it on duty because his department can’t afford it.

“So when you start taking (away) the ability to own that, in a lot of instances across the country, you’re going to be disarming the police that are there to protect us,” Evans added.

East Baton Rouge Parish Coroner Dr. Beau Clark spoke of a “fifth weapon” in addition to those identified at the GOP luncheon: keeping a vigilant eye out for people suffering from mental health issues and helping them get treatment.

Clark explained the role Louisiana coroners play in issuing orders of protective custody after finding probable cause that a person is a danger to himself or others or is “gravely disabled.” Citizens can swear an affidavit in front of the coroner saying they have witnessed this unusual behavior, which Clark said allows his office to take the person to a hospital for further evaluation.

Elizabeth Dent, 72, said she supports gun rights and found Tuesday’s luncheon to be “very informative,” as she is in the market for a new handgun.

“I want one that I’m going to be comfortable with that I can use if that need occurs,” said Dent, who is an executive committee member of the Chamber of Commerce of East Baton Rouge Parish.

Haymaker, the local gun control advocate, said Tuesday’s luncheon missed the point “that none of (the firearms) are effective in self-defense.”

Haymaker hosted a Japanese exchange student, Yoshihiro “Yoshi” Hattori, who was mistaken as an intruder and fatally shot in 1992 after stopping at the wrong house trying to find a Halloween party. She contends there is “no definitive literature” to support the effectiveness of using guns for home protection.

“The effective way to defend yourself against crime would be to act safely between your neighborhood and your car, and to have decent lighting and call the police if you feel threatened,” Haymaker said.


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1) Comment by Tea_Slayer - 13/01/2013

Yes bowman, Sandy did a wonderful job in distorting his "facts". A .22 Long rifle shell is nothing compared to the .223 (5.56 NATO). He knows this but chose to lie about the power comparison between the two shells. Just because they are the same diameter does not mean that the amount of powder is used to propel that projectile.

2) Comment by Bowman@ms - 11/01/2013

Sandy, Good Job! Your comments indicate no arrogance, just facts. It was okay for wadep66 to label people he knows nothing about as "mafioso" just because they own an AR-15. Typical double standard of the liberal types.

3) Comment by wadep66 - 11/01/2013

Nice try Sandy. You don't know anything about me or what I know other than what I wrote. Your redirection is typical of folks who want to take attention away from the rational discussion. Your arrogance undermines your argument.

4) Comment by Chucky - 11/01/2013

To take it out of Baton Rouge, many farmers use large capacity magazine for coyote wolf boar and other critters that prey on live stock but are hard to hit with a single shot

5) Comment by Chucky - 11/01/2013

Sandy -"the men who wrote the 2nd amendment allowed private ownership of cannons." Did not know that, WMD back then, of course i like that, Note, you can load the AR-15 with expanding slugs so they will not penetrate the walls.

6) Comment by Sandy - 11/01/2013

By the way, the men who wrote the 2nd amendment allowed private ownership of cannons. So they probably would have allowed you to own that rocket launcher.

7) Comment by Sandy - 11/01/2013

Wade: I realize that you do not have a very deep knowledge of firearms, but I would like to point out that the AR-15 has become one of the most popular hunting rifles in this country. Furthermore, it has the same basic operation (1 shot with each pull of the trigger), same diameter bullet (.22inch) as the .22 rifles that many squirrel hunters use. Many of those .22 rifles also hold more than the magic number of 10 rounds that apparently makes firearms become evil. Should we ban squirrel rifles also? That is a rhetorical question, because I know that in your heart, you really want to ban all firearms from private ownership. You just have that pesky 2nd Amendment in your way.

8) Comment by DMJ - 11/01/2013

Austria

9) Comment by Tea_Slayer - 11/01/2013

nimby?: try this link. The Advocates' comment section always destroys links... http://tinyurl.com/abs6cuz

10) Comment by Chucky - 11/01/2013

wadep66 –An AR-15 may not be the best weapon for an apartment dweller with out the proper ammunition, you need a bullet that will mushroom and stop inside the perpetrators body. What we are talking about is stopping power. The Ar-15 is more accurate than a hand gun and can give you more fire power. A common misconception is that one bullet will stop any intruder, not only can a person take more than two or three rounds and still be a threat your going to miss with some rounds and that is why six may not be enough.

11) Comment by wadep66 - 10/01/2013

If you believe you need an AR-15 to defend yourself in your own home you are either a) A mafioso (lawbreaker) b) a drug dealer (lawbreaker) or c) self-centered with a grandiose view that you are so important and sought after that a band of theives is going to enter your domicile to steal your stuff and you will be able to fend them off. In other words, you are dilusional. No one needs those weapons. They should be banned and confiscated, just like pot or cocaine would be if it was found on you. If you want a glock, shotgun, or pistol, more power to you. Carry it in a holster and wear spurs if you want. But you don't need an AR-15 anymore than I need a missile launcher (which the last time I checked could be considered an "arm" so I should have that according to you fundamentalists).

12) Comment by nimby? - 10/01/2013

this is how it works ; I'm not a big gun enthusiast or an NRA guy , I don't need an assault rifle with a 30 shot clip to take out what is needed . but when a person such as a Bill Maher refers to individuals with such colorful metaphors it make me want to order one on the spot . I don't need it but will buy it because some A- hole thinks I shouldn't have it , clear ? Tea_Slayer , wouldn't give me the story , will search for it , thanks .

13) Comment by Bowman@ms - 10/01/2013

Thanks DMJ for enhancing my argument with your comment "Germans didn't own guns like we do" hence the loss of speech, assembly, etc. As a retired Engineering Mgr with a German owned chemical company and having numerous business trips to Germany, I appreciate your study of German history. I just happened to "live" it a little verses just studying it. I have had numerous German visitors to visit me personally, not business wise, and I have learned a lot from them of the Nazi history. In the '30's there were numerous Germans who were against the Nazi's but were poweless to resist. Do you know Hitler's actual country of origin?

14) Comment by Tea_Slayer - 10/01/2013

http://www.nola.com/crime/baton-rouge/index.ssf/2012/12/13-year- old_boy_shot_and_kille.html

15) Comment by DMJ - 10/01/2013

Also, I don't want to take away anyone's guns. I want to start to track, regulate and limit the spread of them. When I become all powerful dictator, even Whatnow, Chucky, Atilla and the rest of the yahoos all get to keep the guns they already have.

16) Comment by DMJ - 10/01/2013

The Hitler thing again? Good god... You have no idea how frustrating it is to do real actual research on Germany in the 1930s (with correspondences, court transcripts and firsthand accounts) only to have someone give me a link to a Washington Examiner article about how, supposedly, the first thing Hitler did was sieze the guns. Very frustrating indeed. First of all... Germans didn't own guns like we do, so that wasn't even really an issue. The SS, the SA and the Gestapo didn't even carry guns for the most part. Secondly, what the Nazis did was to take away freedom of speech, assembly, the press, religion and due process. When our government starts to do any of those things (they haven't, by the way) then you'll have a point about the guns. Until then, you don't.

17) Comment by DMJ - 10/01/2013

Well, if it's in the Washington Examiner, it must be true. They don't sell that rag at just any supermarket.

18) Comment by Whatnow - 10/01/2013

DMJ, evidently not everyone thinks like you do. What matters to them is control from any kind of government. http://washingtonexaminer.com/as-liberals-propose-more-gun-control-google-searches-on-hitler-gun-control-spike/article/2518139#.UO8sR3f4bQ5

19) Comment by Bowman@ms - 10/01/2013

Thanks Chucky for using common sense. As a gun owner, I agree completely. DMJ still wants to know a local reporting of a self defense, she wants to ignore what's outside her little world. I assume local is in her house.

20) Comment by Chucky - 10/01/2013

I agree DMJ, if you do not know how to use a firearm how to safely carry and store one, then do not get one. After training ( you can use range guns) then buy your weapon. You probably will never have the opportunity to ever point , let alone shoot another human-being but you will be capable to defend yourself and others if the need should ever arise ( yea I was a Boy Scout, be prepared ).

21) Comment by nimby? - 10/01/2013

I do recall two high profile murders in the downtown area where possession of a hand gun could have made a difference

22) Comment by DMJ - 10/01/2013

You wanna get anecdotal? I have the internet too. Just google: 'dad accidentally shoots'... and you'll get all the evidence you need. The guy who killed his 7-year old outside a gun store in Pennsylvania recently comes to mind. And Nimby, I'm guessing drug dealers against gun control, as they need easy access to guns to do business. And I will ask again...when was the last local defensive shooting reported?

23) Comment by Bowman@ms - 10/01/2013

DMJ and nimby.... Unfortunately, the shot intruder mentioned below will probably win a civil suit for violation of his civil rights. Assuming he gets the same jury as OJ and Casey Anthony.

24) Comment by Bowman@ms - 10/01/2013

DMJ___Turn your TV on a non biased network because as I speak a Georgia mother with her twins hiding in her own home shot an intruder as she talked to her husband on a phone while the husband was talking to a 911 operator. All of this is recorded. Luckily the husband taught his wife to shoot a .38 revolver recently. Funny it was one of the same guns referred to in the article by the experts who know what they are talking about.

25) Comment by nimby? - 10/01/2013

drug dealers in possession of illegal firearms , perhaps we should ask their thoughts on gun control ...

26) Comment by nimby? - 10/01/2013

"Defensive shootings (that don't involve a significant other shooting the other) are 10x rarer than accidental shootings" . I will ask again when was the last accidental shooting reported ?

27) Comment by DMJ - 10/01/2013

nimby, when was the last defensive shooting reported by the local media? Oh right...the guy who had an illegal gun who shot his drug dealer (who also had an illegal gun) after he pulled on him and tried to rob him. I feel safer just thinking about it.

28) Comment by Bowman@ms - 10/01/2013

Funny how the truth succeeds in bringing out the personal attacks of some when they cannot handle the facts. Notice I didn't have to refer to a particular individual. Their comments speak for themselves.

29) Comment by nimby? - 10/01/2013

this is another emotional conflict demonstrating the divide between urban and rural .

30) Comment by nimby? - 10/01/2013

of all the shootings reported by the local media outlets I'm trying to remember the last accidental shooting reported by any one of them .

31) Comment by Buck - 10/01/2013

Ah yes, Bowman and like are trying the same old tactic that was used years ago re. the Haymakers. Avoid the real subject by attacking the messenger. Recall this was on an Hallowean night and the Haymakers had only done what numerous other guardians do. Subject to check the criminal ruling found for the shooter, but the civil suit found him guilty and imposed a significant financial penalty. It will be interesting to see if now will Bowman, etc. will now want to shift the blame to the parents who sent their kids to the Sandy Hook school. A point of note, Sen. John Hainkel, Pres of the La. Senate at this time, told several folks at a presentation at SLU after the NRA's concealed weapons law was passed, that he thought this was the worst legislation that passed that year. When I questioned him about his vote, he said he had no choice as this was the first bill of the season and it would comprised him on upcoming legislation. What stimulate the NRA to attack the Haymaker's is that they had the courage to challenge them. A goal of the NRA at the time was to have La. pass legislation that would force a legal challenge to the Brady Bill. Thankfully some legislation saw the scam and amended the bill as such that La. would not have to bear the legal cost for the NRA. Yes, once again it's about the money.

32) Comment by DMJ - 10/01/2013

And about Hitler... having just read a history of 1930s Germany, I can tell you that the siezing of firearms was a non-issue. First of all, not that many people had guns. Secondly, the Nazis siezed all kinds of assets, which was far more devastating than siezing guns. Thirdly, the seizing of guns was most definitely NOT the first thing the Nazis did to consolidate power- they took away the freedom of speech, freedom of the press, freedom of assembly, freedom of religion and due process. They closed newspapers, locked up Communists, made it illegal to be Social Democrats, locked up homosexuals, forced Jews from their professions and homes. Gun control was not what made the Nazis evil or powerful.

33) Comment by DMJ - 10/01/2013

There are more instances of those firearms being used accidentally on family members, friends and themselves. Outside of people in the military, I know three people who've been shot- in all three cases, it was their own gun. Defensive shootings (that don't involve a significant other shooting the other) are 10x rarer than accidental shootings. If we're thinking big picture here, you're safer without a gun than with one. And that's not even considering all the guns who are stolen from morons who don't propertly secure them.

34) Comment by Chucky - 10/01/2013

Haymaker,“that none of (the firearms) are effective in self-defense.” Then why are there instances where fire arms have stopped intruders, robbery, and assaults ?

35) Comment by swinham - 10/01/2013

With only minor editing, this story, including the picture, would fit right in on "The Onion" and its readers would never suspect it to be true.

36) Comment by Tea_Slayer - 10/01/2013

and the winner for the most ridiculous post on this subject goes to Bowman@ms, but that's a no-brainer, much like his post

37) Comment by Bowman@ms - 09/01/2013

It appears the sponsoring family of the unfortunate Japanese exchange student of years ago still will not accept responsibility for their failure to monitor the actvities of their guest from Japan. Instead, they still want to deflect the blame toward the American Constitution. Albeit, a very tragic event.

38) Comment by Tea_Slayer - 09/01/2013

@whatnow: care to bet if I have fired a larger variety of weapons that you have? Ever fired a Barret .50 cal? or an M203? How about an M240B? or an M249? I'm am not afraid of weapons, just idiots who cling to them...

39) Comment by Tea_Slayer - 09/01/2013

who has been asleep? your clip aired Dec 15. This one is dated Dec 17. The AR was used to murder the children. --- http://www.smh.com.au/world/fourth-gun-found-in-shooting-investigation-20121217-2bi8v.html

40) Comment by Bowman@ms - 09/01/2013



41) Comment by Chucky - 09/01/2013

MBW, "You don't need a gun to prevent most crimes" by saying that you are admitting that there are some crimes you do need a weapon for, and it is for those rare instances that may never occur that my household is armed.

42) Comment by MBW - 09/01/2013

Here's a novel concept for self-defense: common sense. Don't go places alone at night, lock your doors, stay away from unlit areas. Don't display valuables in your home or your car. You don't need a gun to prevent most crimes...just a brain.

43) Comment by MBW - 09/01/2013

“For the Republican Party, this is a litmus-test issue,”---- What issue ISN'T a litmus test for them?? it's their way or the highway on everything. Pretty soon only the "pure" republicans will remain in their party and they'll discover it ain't that many people.

44) Comment by DevilDog - 09/01/2013

@Tea_Slayer. Yes, the narrative has changed. You have just been asleep. http://video.today.msnbc.msn.com/today/50208495#50208495

45) Comment by Chucky - 09/01/2013

What is it about self-defense that some do not get ? My wife is not the biggest baddest toughest person in Baton Rouge and neither am I, but we are both good shots and even though we may never ever have to use a weapon for self-defense we are prepared. In what situation do you want a gun the most ? When you need it and do not have it.

46) Comment by Tea_Slayer - 09/01/2013

@whatnow: who is obsessed with whom? @devildog: leave it to a jarhead to get the facts wrong and make asinine comments about a media conspiracy to falsely claim the AR-15 was used. News flash: it WAS used.

47) Comment by Whatnow - 09/01/2013

DMJ, that's what the US once thought about the threat of Hitler. You people only want to bring up the past when it suits you and try to tell us that we have to learn from it. But, now it's call paranoia. No, it's called a lesson learned by the smart guys. You guys can have history repeat itself all you want. Being prepared is not paranoia. Not being prepared is delusional and uncaring about your freedoms being away a little at a time. A video by the MSM CNN.... http://hotair.com/archives/2013/01/09/video-secret-gun-rights-provision-in-obamacare/

48) Comment by DevilDog - 09/01/2013

The news reported continuously in the days after Newtown that the shooter used only handguns to do the deed, and left the Bushmaster AR-15 type rifle in the trunk of his car. Now the media, including this article, are talking about the AR-15 being used by the killer. That is because handguns don't support the narrative that an 'assault' rifle as the killing instrument and must all be banned. We are being played folks, and just like every other time recently where the public slept and allowed Comrade Obama and his allies (including the media) to have their way, they are counting on the same thing here. Surprised by a lesser paycheck this month? You voted for it. Surprised when Comrade Obama lies and then does just the opposite? You voted for the man, and unless we get our stuff together, it may very well be the last truly free vote we will make.

49) Comment by Warp7 - 09/01/2013

Thank God that one is no longer our police chief and the other is no longer a State Representative. Seems like Phares has a few missing screws.

50) Comment by DMJ - 09/01/2013

actual danger = 10% of imagined danger. Clear?

51) Comment by Chucky - 09/01/2013

10% of the danger that's in your head? So the other 90% is real ?

52) Comment by nimby? - 09/01/2013

it has been pointed out we are all potentially criminals . using that analogy it would be logical to disarm the public , but they aren't and it won't happen ... soon . please tell me how we identify who are the bad guys ?

53) Comment by DMJ - 09/01/2013

Yeah, the people who don't like guns are the paranoid ones. Can you hear yourself? You're another George Zimmerman waiting to happen, Atilla. In real life, there's about 10% of the danger that's in your head, and that danger is due to easy access to guns.

54) Comment by Attila - 09/01/2013

The left is reacting as expected to the tragedy in Newtown CT. People with an innate fear of others who would protect themselves react this way. Ms. Haymaker is a perfect example, along with many others who post here. Their hysterical reactions, myopic calls for measures that will do absolutely nothing to curb this kind of thing, paranoia , and obsessive fear of becoming a "victim" have overwhelmed their common sense. I would wager that if a bad guy had Ms. Haymaker around the throat, and a gun was within her reach, she would go for it like a duck on a junebug. Would that be hypocritical of her...or just good sense?

55) Comment by nimby? - 09/01/2013

rock salt doesn't kill , leaves a distinctive mark easily traced . now , about those executive orders .....

56) Comment by Springer98 - 09/01/2013

I would have thought someone would have mentioned the fact that the man in the picture holding the gun is former Baton Rouge Police Chief Greg Phares! If it is so terrible for homeowners, or renters, to own a gun for home defense, why are so many police officers in favor of it? Also, 8 point6, I am as pro-gun as almost anyone, but a shotgun loaded with 00 buckshot is not a good idea for home defense! A shotgun with #4 or #6 shot is deadly out to 35 or 40 yards. The trouble with 00 buckshot is that it will pass through walls, doors,etc. & possibly kill your family or your neighbors.....

57) Comment by Whatnow - 09/01/2013

Tea_Slayer, don't worry, that motionless paper picture of a gun won't hurt you. It's a picture, okay? Only a picture. And that scary old gun isn't waving around in the air. He has it close to his chest. He's not the boogeyman like you imagine. He's not going to hurt you and neither is this picture.

58) Comment by Whatnow - 09/01/2013

(http://legalinsurrection.com/2011/07/obama-sold-tracked-same-guns-to-cartels-he-hoped-to-ban-because-they-were-tracked-from-cartels/) Given to drug cartel criminals by our government, but law abiding citizens can't have them. It's okay when you want to push your gun control agenda. I like Vermont State Rep. Fred Maslack's bill... http://patriotaction.net/profiles/blogs/a-novel-idea-register-nongun. Gun owner's get ready for another dictate (executive action) from Obama. You know, those executive actions come in handy when you want to ignore the people and Congress and the Constitution.

59) Comment by Buck - 09/01/2013

Sounds like a Tupperware party. Where were the moms and apple pie. Come on Woody, you missed some p.r. points. What a marketing team, the Reps. and arms manufactures. Wonder if anyone was there from the public health field. Last figures available from CDCP was that accidents with firearms cost in excess of $40 billion. Would be interested what that figure is in Louisiana. Some may recall that Charity in N.O. was the military training center for trauma. Hey, we are no. 1 again.

60) Comment by Chucky - 09/01/2013

A shotgun shell and rolled up magazine or news paper will do nicely close up, of course you need to be standing next to a wall.

61) Comment by Tea_Slayer - 09/01/2013

The_Host is a master of satire. This is my favorite: "Guns like drugs can be manufactured with or without the government permission."

62) Comment by The_Host - 09/01/2013

POLL : How many people do you think would die if they tried to ban guns and confiscate them? More or less than would die if they were just left alone? I don't think we could even come close to imagining the amount of people that would be killed if such a thing were attempted. Lets not forget drugs are illegal as well and I can pretty safely say I think that drugs are readily available all over the country. Guns like drugs can be manufactured with or without the government permission.

63) Comment by The_Host - 09/01/2013

Gun grabbers use guns all the time in their attempt to make them look evil. Youtube Feinstein she has used the AR herself in her propaganda. Cops use them all the time for props in their photo ops like when they proposed banning the .50 in California and held up a rifle they used but wanted to ban from the public. The maker of the rifle was there and told them after not to send any guns in for repair as he wouldn't do business with them any longer. Now that is a principled stand over money. They sat their and demonized him and his rifle that THEY themselves own and use.

64) Comment by free_market - 09/01/2013

North BR is a high crime area. If I were law enforcement, I would be more vigilant and aware when in that area because it is a more dangerous place to be in due to the murders, drugs, etc. That is just the way it is. To be honest with you, I am more alert when I go to Tony's Seafood than I am when I go to other places in the city because of where Tony's is located. Would be the same way if I were a Democrat or Independent. If you get hassled by the police in North BR with a gun on your hip, what is the reason? Is the gun concealed? I'm 100% sure the ones being hassled aren't wearing it in plain sight. If it is concealed and you don't have a permit, you are breaking the law. Why would it be unlawful for someone to own a gun? Only reasons I can think of are mental instability or being a convicted felon.

65) Comment by 8point6 - 09/01/2013

I'll stick with my 12 gauge shotguns, and double 00 buck shot for protection.

66) Comment by Chucky - 09/01/2013

Tea_Slayer - Please note the Plastic tie threaded through the barrel and chamber of the wepon.

67) Comment by justicematters - 09/01/2013

I respect everyones opinion that takes the time to comment here, but I am sure we can all agree that we MUST learn from history's mistakes: online search these words: Kristallnacht Wounded Knee Australia Home Invasions

68) Comment by justicematters - 09/01/2013

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69) Comment by brhope - 09/01/2013

Go walk around north BR with a gun on your hip. See if the police dont hassle you. O wait your a republican never mind. They will leave you alone. Im just saying its got to be frustrating to really have a NEED for protection, yet have no means, or its "unlawful" for you to own a gun. Then read the paper and boom there is this clean cut man waving a gun around talking about nonsense that is very, very off point.

70) Comment by free_market - 09/01/2013

brhope, please expand on your comment, "But yet in certain parts of town if you are caught with a gun...well."

71) Comment by coachblades - 09/01/2013

What do you guys think the odds of new "strict" gun legislation passing is? No republican will vote for it because they know they will be voted out easily next election, MANY democrats from rural gun loving states will not vote for it because they had to be pro gun just to get into the door of some of their election. Do you really think an Democrat from say Alaska, kentucky, Alabama, texas, wyoming etc will actually come out against guns. No! whats more important passing gun legislation now and losing the battle over next years budget because many dems were voted out of office. NO. Essentially what you have is mostly democrats from the big cities of America trying to push this legislation. Dont panic my fellow gun lovers this legislation has as good a chance of passing as a balanced budget being created.

72) Comment by brhope - 09/01/2013

Defend away! I have no problems with guns. My neck was born red. I dont like these yahoos who, come on now look at that guy, are pushing the issue on people and marketing to people who have no NEED for an AR-15 for self defense. I'm more in shock of the MARKETING for these guns that is going on. Now everyone knows what these guns are, look like, their capabilities, and where to buy one. But yet in certain parts of town if you are caught with a gun..well. And all these scared republicans say they have a "right"

73) Comment by free_market - 09/01/2013

brhope, The "bad guys" you speak of have the intention of doing harm to those they consider their enemies and do so while obscuring their faces. Remember the western journalist who was beheaded and the video posted on the web? Do you really think those at the luncheon have something like that on their minds? I am a gun owning Republican in a middle class neighborhood no fences or gated entry. My neighbor had his home burglarized in the middle of the day, while ironically, he was reporting for jury duty. Is this not a reason for me wanting to defend myself?

74) Comment by brhope - 09/01/2013

I wonder if the victims of the shootings would of been hung instead. Would everyone be out buying rope?

75) Comment by free_market - 09/01/2013

Tea_Slayer. I agree, a gun is not a toy and needs to be treated with intlelligence and respect which is why the gun is disabled with the zip tie. He is holding it in the air so the audience can see it and doing so in a safe manner. I suspect many of the attendees, such as Elizabeth Dent, were there because they are interested in learining more about firearms and are considering a purchase.

76) Comment by brhope - 09/01/2013

Go ahead get that picture with a suit on, holding a mic in one hand and gun in the other in front of the American flag. Don't the "bad guys" stand in front of their flags with guns and mics? Also self defense? All these republicans live in neighborhoods where the only to worry about is who has the best yard.

77) Comment by Tea_Slayer - 09/01/2013

free_market: I can see where he is pointing it. My question is why does he need to hold in in the air at all? It's not a toy and it shouldn't be used as a prop for a speech. How is what he is doing "treating every gun as if it is loaded?"

78) Comment by Tea_Slayer - 09/01/2013

insightful as always, Attila... "idiot' is now socially acceptable, or does that only apply to harry Reid?

79) Comment by Attila - 09/01/2013

@Tea_Slayer: If you really want to see a GRANDSTANDING idiot...look in the mirror.

80) Comment by free_market - 09/01/2013

He is holding the gun in front of him with the business end pointed up at roughly a 45 degree angle. Unless a very tall person, ie, Shaguille O'neal is standling in close proximity to his left, he is not pointing the gun at anybody in an unsafe manner Gun safety as well as hunter safety courses stress keeping the barrel pointed in a safe direction, as well as treating every gun as if it is loaded.

81) Comment by Being_Stupid - 09/01/2013

Shame how Democrat-Socialist Party Elites and their Communist Allies politicize national tragedies to steal Constitutional Rights from law-abiding AMERICANS.

82) Comment by DMJ - 09/01/2013

Gun sales will increase....more people will be shot causing more people to buy guns which will result in more shootings, which will prompt more people to buy guns... Ah, the grand American tradition of solutions to problems that are the same as the problems themselves and ultimately make those problems worse. While we're at it, let's build cul de sacs to deal with traffic jams, give public money to private schools to deal with poor private schools and larger pants for fat people.

83) Comment by Tea_Slayer - 09/01/2013

2 things: 1. mommy, i already admitted that I didn't see the zip tie but the firs thing you learn on a military range is you don't point ANY weapon at others whether it is loaded or not (zip-tied or not). He's not just holding it, he is holding it in the air as a prop. Not freaking out but i wouldn't appreciate having a weapon pointed in my direction. Which brings me to 2. free_market: he is still a grandstanding idiot in my book for using the gun as a prop

84) Comment by Being_Stupid - 09/01/2013

Gun-Free Zone = Mass Murderer Zone.

85) Comment by rockynoggin - 09/01/2013

I'm a supporter of the second amendment, but this is getting a little crazy. I worry that people will consider the AR-15 or any assault rifle as the best choice for home defense when in fact it is a horrible choice. Do I have a problem with citizens owning an AR? Not at all. They just need to understand the capabilities and features and make an informed decision and not just jump on the AR bandwagon. AR rounds are very powerful and typically jacketed ball ammo is used - this means that over-penetration of common household doors and inside walls is very likely and could lead to unintended casualties (like the kids sleeping in the next room). Hopefully this session got that point across.

86) Comment by Bwaites985 - 09/01/2013

I would have to disagree with Ms Haymaker on the effectiveness of these weapons. If they didn't work then they would not be in such high demand. This is all just knee jerk reaction to the tragedy that happened. I don't know how you prevent crazy people from going crazy and doing crazy things, but I do know that everyone should have the right to defend themselves with whatever weapon they choose. If you feel you need a gun then you should be able to get what you want. If you feel you need something else like a baseball bat, or iron pipe that's fine too. But you should have the right to choose what is best for you and your family.

87) Comment by LSUmommy2000 - 09/01/2013

Tea_Slayer, what evidence do you have that he was "waving" the gun around? We were provided with a still image. Clearly he would have to hold the gun in the air to show the audience what he was talking about. Also, if you actually look at the photo, he has the gun locked down with a zip tie. It is a prop, but only because the entire topic of the luncheon was to recommend certain firearms for personal protection. We're getting a liltte unreasonable about guns when we freak out at the mere image of a person holding one.

88) Comment by free_market - 09/01/2013

Tea_Slayer, does that still make Mr. Phares a "GRANDSTANDING idiot?"

89) Comment by Tea_Slayer - 09/01/2013

apologies. I could not see the zip-tie on my iPad.

90) Comment by swinham - 09/01/2013

Choot 'em, Greg, Choot'em!

91) Comment by movingon - 09/01/2013

The zip tie would have to be removed before a round could be chambered or fired. I do this to prevent my kids from accidentally firing it (if they were to climb a ladder and somehow get it out the lock box, can't be too careful). W.r.t to his gun recommendations, the "AR-15" is the least attractive for home defense. Hopefully you have the right ammo or it will shoot through walls. I'll stick with my shotgun.

92) Comment by DMJ - 09/01/2013

"Evans adding jokingly that he also would not want to strike his wife or dog with an errant round." hahahah!! Very funny. What's even funnier is that scenario is more likely than actually encountering an intruder while having your gun ready. Bunch of idiots, the lot of 'em.

93) Comment by free_market - 09/01/2013

Tea_Slayer, if you will look closely at the photo, there is a zip tie running through the barrel and cinched. The only way to chamber a round is to remove it. Also, there is no way a round can be in the chamber with the barrel being obstructed like that. I have a Ruger 9MM that came with the same type of lock system when I purchased the gun. Lest we forget, that Mr. Phares has a law enforcement background and I am sure he has far more experiece than most of us on the subject of handling a gun safely.

94) Comment by DMJ - 09/01/2013

Leave it to Republicans to actually recommend the same guns that were used in Tuscon, Aurora and Newtown. These people are shameless. Absolutely shameless.

95) Comment by Tea_Slayer - 09/01/2013

Wow, the photo depicts a "responsible" gun owner waving around a weapon as some sort of prop during a luncheon. Why is the slide not locked back? Because he is a GRANDSTANDING idiot. These are the types that want unrestricted gun ownership and they don't even know how to handle a firearm. at least his finger wasn't on the trigger.

96) Comment by Being_Stupid - 09/01/2013

Greg Phares is a good man.

97) Comment by Cousin Dave - 09/01/2013

LSUFan is wrong. A Bushmaster AR-15 assault rufle was used at Newtown. The good ting about the web is that facts are easily veriied...just google AR-15 and Newtown.

98) Comment by LSUfan71 - 09/01/2013

An AR-15 rifle was NOT used at Newtown. Shouldn't you research first? Oh, this is theadvocate.com, I forgot...

99) Comment by The_Host - 09/01/2013

Where does this woman Haymaker live in Pleasantville or something? I would like to see her walk her dog through some areas around here. If she thinks her best choice of defense is to "act safely", have decent lighting and a phone at the ready she is nuts. Not even a cop would agree with such nonsense. I bet my 9mm beats your phone call and lighting every single time! Lets see this would be Holley being attacked" hello 911, yes what is your emergency, well I have this guy attacking me, and where are you now? Ok stay calm and I will get an officer to respond. (fast foward 20 minutes) the cops show up and start to fill out the report about Holley's demise" Here is how mine would go. "BANG!" End of Story.

100) Comment by jdk944 - 09/01/2013

No, what is shameful is this administration and ALL the politicians who are trying to restrict the freedoms and liberties of all Americans with their GRANDSTANDING on this issue!!!

101) Comment by lovemykids - 09/01/2013

Shameful of the EBR Republicans to do this political chest beating at this time of mourning for so many.

102) Comment by CountryBoysCanSurvive - 09/01/2013

The underlining fact is, that if you don't become proficient and practice it is more dangerous to own a weapon than not to. The first question is "Can I look someone in the eye and shoot them without hesitation?" If the answer is I don't know, then a gun is not for you because that bad guy will take it from you and kill you without hesitation. I own several guns and my answer is I can and I will and I have!

103) Comment by Hello Baton Rouge - 09/01/2013

Has no one figured out the simplicity of the suggestion that making it illegal to own a gun means nothing to people who don't obey the law? Am I to understand that the government thinks that by making something illegal it will give criminals a change of heart all of a sudden? If its that simple, we'd not have a murder problem, theft problem, rape problem and drug problem in this country already. Right, or does my logic offend you?

104) Comment by gvm - 09/01/2013

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105) Comment by Elderly Man - 09/01/2013

A couple of civilians with Glock pistols would have been able to stop the hoodlums who terrorized the Mall of Louisiana last week.

106) Comment by Elderly Man - 09/01/2013

Before I grew old, I could have shot you dead in the eye from 25 feet with the 10 mm Glock I then owned. It is a good weapon for the home or car.