Proposed curfew revived

Advocate staff photo by ADAM LAUA law enforcement helicopter hovers overhead as youths wait for rides to leave the Mall of Louisiana after a brawl Saturday. Show caption
Advocate staff photo by ADAM LAUA law enforcement helicopter hovers overhead as youths wait for rides to leave the Mall of Louisiana after a brawl Saturday.

Official calls mall incident wakeup call

An East Baton Rouge Parish Metro councilman said he will revive an old attempt to strengthen curfews for teenagers, following a brawl at the Mall of Louisiana this past weekend involving about 200 juveniles.

Mayor Pro Tem Chandler Loupe initially proposed the curfew changes in May 2011 because of complaints about teens loitering at the Mall of Louisiana and Perkins Rowe shopping center.

The Metro Council, which had different members at the time, voted against the proposed changes.

“This is kind of a wake up call that shows we need to do something,” Loupe said of the Saturday night incident that resulted in the mall being evacuated. “Legally now, kids that can’t even drive, can stay out past midnight on the weekends, and I’m not sure much good happens after midnight.”

As the law is written, 17-year-olds are considered adults and not subject to curfew laws, Joseph Scott, assistant parish attorney, has said.

Juveniles are prohibited from being out from 11 p.m. to 5 a.m. most days of the week except for Friday and Saturday nights, when the hours begin at 1 a.m. and end at 5 a.m.

There are exceptions, however including if the juvenile is accompanied by a custodian; is on a reasonable errand; is at, going to or returning from work; is involved in an emergency; or is attending certain specified, supervised activities.

Loupe’s changes would have moved the current 1 a.m. weekend curfew up an hour to midnight for youths 15 and under. The weekday curfew of 11 p.m. would have stayed the same.

The proposal would have also subjected 17-year-olds to the weekend curfew.

Loupe said he would tweak the item before introducing it to the council in a couple months.

“I want to make sure it’s strong enough to address what I think needs to be addressed,” he said, stressing that the six people arrested from the brawl were all under 15 years old. “There’s no excuse for a parent leaving kids unsupervised. That’s not safe for the kids or anybody else.”

Councilman Ryan Heck, whose district encompasses the Mall of Louisiana, said curfews wouldn’t have prevented the Saturday night gathering because the tumult culminated early in the evening.

He said it’s up to the mall’s management to decide if it wants internal rules to regulate minors.

“If the mall wants to say kids can’t be in the mall after a certain time, then that’s up to that private enterprise,” he said. “I’m not going to legislate responsibility. It’s unsuccessful.”

Loupe said teen curfews wouldn’t have necessarily prevented the weekend incident, but called the measure a “first step.”

“I believe it’s a first step, followed by more stringent rules implemented by the private property owners, along with enforcing loitering and other ordinances,” Loupe said.

Mall of Louisiana officials said Monday they have no plans to enforce a curfew. The mall is on Bluebonnet Boulevard near Interstate 10.

“As part of our efforts and our commitment to public safety, we regularly review our safety program and will amend it as necessary,” Mall of Louisiana General Manager Todd Denton said in an email.

Denton declined to discuss public safety precautions and measures.

“We cannot discuss the specifics of the program because to do so would compromise our efforts,” he said in an email.

Denton also noted there were no reports of injuries or incidents related to the Saturday night event, which was featured in national news.

“At Mall of Louisiana, the safety and security of our shoppers are always our top priorities,” Denton said in the email. “This Saturday, there was an unexpected large amount of people gathered in the food court due to a social media posting. Based simply upon the size of the crowd, the sheriff’s department determined it was necessary to evacuate the mall to further ensure the safety of all shoppers.”

Councilman Joel Boé said he and his family were at the mall just an hour before the crowds gathered.

“It’s concerning. I was there with my wife and four young kids right before it happens,” he said.

Boé said he’d like mall management to consider implementing an internal teen curfew like Perkins Rowe and other malls across the country.

Tony Stephens, general manager for Perkins Rowe, said the shopping center has an 8 p.m. curfew for anyone 17 and younger.

Stephens said he has only been Perkins Rowe’s general manager for about three months but has worked at multiple malls across the country, some of which had curfews and some of which did not.

“We’re trying to create an environment for shoppers that’s pleasant,” Stephens said. “We felt that the curfew worked toward that extent.”

Perkins Rowe is at Bluebonnet near Perkins Road.

Cortana Mall, which is at Airline Highway and Florida Boulevard, does not have a curfew for anyone and does not plan to implement one in the future, said Percy Singleton, the mall’s general manager.

“We have a proactive security team that is there,” Singleton said. “Of course, we are concerned with what has happened recently. We’re watching it very closely, but personally we have no intention of imposing a curfew.”

Hordes of juveniles gathered at the Mall of Louisiana on Saturday evening, apparently in response to a mass invitation on Instagram, a popular photo sharing social network.

Deputies responded to the scene in response to reports of fighting, which led to a stampede of patrons rushing to exit.

The mall was evacuated and law enforcement diverted all juveniles to the open area between BJ’s Brewhouse and Bravo restaurants outside the mall where they waited for their parents or guardians to pick them up. The unruly gathering caused a major traffic jam, and contraflow was put into place on Bluebonnet Boulevard.

The investigation is ongoing, and deputies are uncertain at this time if more people will be arrested in the fight, Sheriff’s Office spokeswoman Casey Rayborn Hicks said.


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Comments (49)


1) Comment by Chucky - 09/01/2013

"The Juvenile court system is a JOKE" I agree and believe it is the place to start in fixing our crime problem, as i have said before very few turn 17 and say " You know, think i start committing some crimes"

2) Comment by giddyup - 09/01/2013

The problem is the courts refuses to recognize the unfortunate reality that 14 year today is as mature as a 18 year old of yesterday. Their exposure to adult things at a younger age is a fact. When you have 9 and 10 year old sodomizing other boys, things are different. The Juvenile court system is a JOKE! The probation officers write up juvenile offends over and over and most of the time the Judges do nothing. Don't take my word, it's all documented. If you want accountability pass a law requiring Juvenile court to list the charged crimes, total number of arrest, age (only) of defendant and the sentence. This community will be shocked at what goes on there. Kudo's to Hillar Moore, because he is doing his best to hold all judges responsible for their cases. So Mr Loupe, be productive and pass real legislation, not feel good ridiculous laws that will not do anything to change behavior; present or future. Or as a lawyer, will you allow your fellow brethren to continue the behind the door deals that put criminals back on the street with no accountability.

3) Comment by Duckyluve - 09/01/2013

This is just as stupid as a gun ban. The only people who will abide by it are honest people. Total waste of time by the council.

4) Comment by Chucky - 09/01/2013

I agree with NewsReader - a 11pm curfew will not help, make it at sundown and then things might change.

5) Comment by Elderly Man - 09/01/2013

What reason would anyone sixteen or younger have being unsupervised in a mall or movie theater after 6:00 p.m. unless he or she has a permit to work at the mall or theater? Those involved in the riot belong in detention until they are 21-years-old. These unsupervied thugs ruin life in Baton Rouge.

6) Comment by two_cents - 08/01/2013

@whatchange-- DITTO

7) Comment by Whatnow - 08/01/2013

If you act like a thug, you should be arrested when you break the law, no matter what zip code you live in. Who's to know that or care? Actions against those who break the law should be the same in all areas and especially when Moma didn't teach you better. The police will show you how to act real quick, no matter what race, clothing, stupidity or zip code. You gotta act tough at the Mall, then pay the piper.

8) Comment by nimby? - 08/01/2013

a picture is worth a thousand words .

9) Comment by Woody - 08/01/2013

concealed weapon permit. get one. you will be glad you did.

10) Comment by On_The_Fence - 08/01/2013

Please leave things the way they are. Knowing the Malls are where your kids will be gives me the opportunity to avoid your children altogether and I sincerely thank you for that. As long as Towne Centre and Perkins Rowe do not have cheap Food Courts, I know where my family will shop. Malls are great for teenagers! Go Malls!

11) Comment by Protean - 08/01/2013

You miss the point, Newsreader. Those kids were from wrong zip code, so the "situation" is vastly worse than you could imagine. Well, they're probably from the wrong zip code, because many of them appear to have hair styles, fashion sense and dark make-up to make them look like they're from the wrong zip code, so even if they're not really from the wrong zip code, they should be treated to the same type of suspicion and condescension as if they really were from the wrong zip code. It's just easier to keep track of them all if you think this way. Just ask some the more "fair and balanced"commenters, especially those who scream bloody murder if the government considers implementing "over- reaching" laws, well at least the laws that inconvenience themselves, or at least the laws that their media authorities told them should be an inconvenience. You see! Aren't things so much simpler in right-wing nutville?

12) Comment by zealer99 - 08/01/2013

"People under 17 are not criminals. " Most are not but some are. A criminal is a person who breaks laws, not a class of people but an individual quality. Criminals should be punished so the rest of us are safer.

13) Comment by NewsReader - 08/01/2013

What dumb law. This incident happened at 6PM. How on earth would an 11PM curfew solve/prevent this? And really, people don't think a mountain was made out of a molehill over this entire "situation"? The vast majority of those kids were NOT there to seek out trouble. There are probably just as many fights every Saturday during football season at Tiger Stadium. Maybe they should think about a curfew there for "adults".

14) Comment by Horse Sense - 08/01/2013

I was at the mall the night before this incident, and encountered just as many rude and discourteous adults as teens. What I didn't encounter was security! I see a few security vehicles in the parking lots, but next to no security presence in the mall - especially in the food court. Instead of telling teens that they have no business in these areas, why not expect the mall to handle its business appropriately? The reason these things keep happening at this mall is because of lax security. Hire a few bouncer types or off-duty EBRSO, toss or detain a few rowdy kids, and gain a reputation for running a safe and secure establishment. The troublemakers will look for easier venues and the kids who know how to behave will stay and spend money.

15) Comment by Maria - 08/01/2013

My daughter and her friends go to the mall all the time without parents and they never get into trouble. It's because they know the consequences they would face when they got home. All this punishing the good for the bad is stupid. Get the bad ones and ban them from the mall. Leave the good kids alone to have their fun.

16) Comment by nimby? - 08/01/2013

if businesses cannot perform in this environment they will close their doors and move ; Delmont Village , Bon Marche , Westmoreland , Rebel , etc ....

17) Comment by Whatnow - 08/01/2013

The first time I went to the new MOL it was overrun with teens with attitude and the mall itself was geared toward teenagers. I've been using the internet for my shopping ever since. I pay shipping fees, sure, but it's worth it not to be overrun with thug teens pushing you, hollering filth, and slow walking in groups that slow down everyone behind them. I always thought that the malls should have provided cattle prods. If I MUST go to the mall, I just drive to the main store entrance and don't even go into the walkways. The take over of Cortana ruined shopping for a lot of us and now it has descended on MOL. Most of the kids I know also refuse to go to the mall. They think it's horrible, too. There is not enough visible security.

18) Comment by squiggly - 08/01/2013

I think imposing a curfew beyond what is already in place for BR is a typical knee jerk reaction. A stricter curfew would not have prevented this weekend's incident. And this stricter curfew is being imposed by the guy whose 15 year old son was shot last year while doing a drug deal. He should have learned from experience that regardless of what a parent teaches their children, they don't always do as they are told. That's what happened this weekend. It's not an excuse. Kids are going to do stupid things. There were only about 6 or 7 kids involved in the fighting while there approx. 200 kids at the mall. The vast majority did not do anything wrong. Folks need to put this in perspective.

19) Comment by ted64 - 08/01/2013

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20) Comment by squiggly - 08/01/2013

@brhope, you're correct that the overwhelming majority of the stores at the mall are geared towards the under 25 crowd. That's why the Mall of LA does not want to impose a restrictions on minors. Teens are a big part of their revenue.

21) Comment by brhope - 08/01/2013

Does the mall sell anything for adults anymore? Everything in there is for the teenagers. If people cant handle kids being in the mall, you in the wrong place. That's like going to chuck e cheese when you hate little kids. I feel really old when I go to the mall, and im not that old.

22) Comment by Whatchange - 08/01/2013

I posted on another article about this yesterday, about how we were dropped off at the Robert E. Lee theater and would spend all day there, what I didn't say, we knew our place when we were dropped off, we also knew what was coming if we didn't. While it is true kids will be kids, they also need to know their place. Some on here say that kids fight, its OK their kids, some make excuses for what happened like it wasn't the fault of the kids, this is whats wrong, and it is the exact reason kids act the way they do now days. Parents now days don't discipline, they turn a blind eye and blame everyone but the kids. Its always someone else's fault, my kids are never wrong, what do mean whip my kid, I would never whip my child, I take away their cell phone, their X Box, and computer. I do this until I get tired of them whining and being under my feet then I give it all back and drop them off at the mall. Yard work, I would never make my kid do yard work, what do you mean yard work, why that's manual labor, oh no, not my kid. I remember getting in trouble one time as a teenager, I forgot my place in the store, I also remember cutting an acre with a 22" push mower and weed eating with a machete, that was a lesson learned. I agree completely, Kids will be kids, but they also need to know their place. If it takes a curfew to drive this point home so be it, if it takes making a parent be with their child at the mall so be it, You want teenagers to have the same freedom you had as a teenager, then teach them like your parents taught you, and yes, I mean tear their butt up if they do wrong that or throw them on an acre with a 22" push mower and a machete.

23) Comment by phil - 08/01/2013

Kids do fight and some will probably always fight sometimes. However one problem with our society today is that often one of these kids gets his hands on a gun and has no respect for life or other people and kills a few other kids or adults during what should be a simple fight. Parents need to control their kids and also control access to their guns. If adults cannot control their kids or their guns then they probably should not have either. Then there are the adults who sell or give guns to minors. Those folks should be put in jail and stay there. I know there was no gun involved at the Mall this time. We were lucky this time but maybe the next time we will not be so lucky. Kids will be kids - and juvenile delinquents will be juvenile delinquents - and parents etc need to know the difference - and large groups of kids inside Malls should be supervised by adults - either by their parents or by someone else..

24) Comment by ScotB - 08/01/2013

What an idiot! This would have had no impact on the mall situation and why punish law abiding youth because of the actions of a bunch of miscreats? The best way to prevent this from happening again is to enforce the law. I saw the paper said there were 200 young people involved and six arrests. Arrest all of those involved and the message will get out loud and clear. When you let 194 of 200 get away scott-free, you send an entirely different message - that you are 97% chance to get away with it!

25) Comment by nimby? - 08/01/2013

since I've been in B.R. I've witnessed the demise of Delmont Village and Bon Marche . stopped going to Cortana a few years back . will MOL be next ? over the past few years a number of incidents there that have not been reported , for appearance sake , can't hide this .

26) Comment by mcarter - 08/01/2013

"Much ado about nothing". Tell that to the policeman that has to get an MRI on his leg or the parent that was almost trampled by these "kids" or the stores that had to lock up and close, the parent with her small child that they wouldn't let get off the escalator, the traffic jam than ensued afterwards. Yea, let's just let minors roam the malls or whatever they want to do without their parents supervision. Wouldn't want to treat them like crimininals...kids will be kids.

27) Comment by DMJ - 08/01/2013

They're kids. Kids fight. Other people will run to see a fight. I'm pretty sure this phenomenon has been going on for a long time. Much ado about nothing...

28) Comment by WoodenNickle - 08/01/2013

This is just another example of politicians missing the forest for the trees. Kids being out late isn't the issue here, it's kids with little or no respect for the community disturbing the peace. If you're a minor and caught disturbing the peace they should write your parents a ticket and stick you on the side of the road picking up garbage on weekend mornings.

29) Comment by Attila - 08/01/2013

@ladyanderson: If kids want to get together to take a group pic or have a group grope, there are other places besides the malls they can descend upon. How about one of the many BREC parks around the city...lots of space and parking...nice background for pics and whatever else they want to do...and they probably won't be bothering anyone...If a fight breaks out there will not be scores of innocents that could be hurt.....may the best man win.

30) Comment by phil - 08/01/2013

What time do the Malls close? What time did the problem take place? Will a curfew actually help? With all of the money we spend in this city on parks and paths and greenways and town squares and a stage canopy etc with public funds, don't we have anything for teenagers to do other than hang out at a Mall and get in trouble?

31) Comment by Chucky - 08/01/2013

ladyanderson - I read that also on WAFB page, would like to see the original post of that “invitation” Till then I think it is made up after the fact.

32) Comment by BRmoderate - 08/01/2013

The curfew is stupid... Teenage troublemakers will not care about a curfew. All you will do is make it difficult for the good kids.

33) Comment by Being_Stupid - 08/01/2013

People under 17 are not criminals. They are just young (wish i was young again) :(

34) Comment by ladyanderson - 08/01/2013

Correct me if I am wrong, but as I see it, a group of social media friends just wanted to get together and take a group photo. They thought the Mall of Louisiana was a great place. A fight broke out and 5 or 6 people were arrested. How do we or anyone else know the the ones fighting were even a part of this group. We don't and there is no real evidence. Now they have decided to try and meet up again to get the picture taken. I feel the right thing to do is for someone or some group to offer some assistance to these youths in getting that picture taken. If we start treating them like crimminals or causing them to feel inferior then we are setting the stage to harm their state of mind and that's when real problems will began. Can someone or some business reach out to these youths and help them get this picture taken. That's all they want.

35) Comment by Isabella11 - 08/01/2013

When I was 15-18, I had a part time job school and Cheerleading practice. (granted this was only about 7 years ago) Where do these kids have all of the extra time???

36) Comment by mcarter - 08/01/2013

Ebette, these minors were driven to the mall by mostly their parents. It was 6:00 in the evening. If you are a parent and you don't know where your underage child is at 6:00 PM, then...well that's the problem. I repeat...the Mall is a business not a baby sitting service. It is dangerous and irresponsible!!!!

37) Comment by foldgers - 08/01/2013

Leave it up to the mall. But, the post about no one 16 and under allowed in the mall without a guardian, I do not see working. How many times do parents go to the mall with their kid and one or two of their friends. The kids will always want to go wander around without the embarrassment of being with their parents. Are the guards supposed to stop each underage kid and make sure their parents are in the mall? I can see that causing quite a bit of problems with certain parents who would feel their child is being singled out. Or if the kids are in the mall, they HAVE to be with their parents at all times? Either way, this is just an opinion: If the mall makes stricter rules on teens in the mall based solely on the incident this weekend, I have a feeling some sort of "race" issue will come up because of the race of the majority of the kids that evening, so, chances are they would not want to risk anything dealing with that...as the mall could then be singled out for a multitude of reasons. Either way, it is too bad that the responsible children, the majority of the children (of ALL races), have to suffer for these few ignorant stupid idiotic undisciplined uncivilized kids. My opinion, they should have ALL been arrested. Not just those who "started" it, but all those who contributed to the chaos.

38) Comment by DMJ - 08/01/2013

What good are Malls for if not for loitering? That's what you do at the mall.

39) Comment by Being_Stupid - 08/01/2013

More Stupid Laws = Less Freedom

40) Comment by Being_Stupid - 08/01/2013

The fight at the Mall happened at like 6pm.

41) Comment by 2cynical - 08/01/2013

Why don't we make a law that holds parent accountable instead of letting them use poor judgement by dropping them off at the mall at 11am and picking them up at 4 or 5? Or pick a time slot. The mall is not a baby sitter but is so often used for that. I've seen it from personal experience with friends of my children. Ridiculous.

42) Comment by BoiledCrabs - 08/01/2013

Seems like if more gun laws are the way to go for controlling gun violence then more mall laws would be applicable here. Just make some laws to get rid of malls.

43) Comment by ebbette - 08/01/2013

It's hard to hold parents accountable when kids lie and sneak out after parents are asleep etc. You can't watch your kids 24/7 and yes, even kids from good homes do bad things. The ones that should be held responsible are the ones who did the deed. Try to find your child on social media if they use an assumed name, lie about their date of birth etc. We went through that problem with my step-son who lived with us and his mother allowed him to do things her, my husband, and step-son signed a legally binding court document saying he couldn't do. That's is another problem altogether. We had a problem with him having sleepovers with a 13 year old shortly before he turned 17 but as many times as my husband called Livingston Parish deputies, each time he was told nothing could be done unless the girl's parents had a problem with it. Is a law really a law or only a law when one set of parents decides it's a law? And the curfew should be much sooner for those 15. What 15 year old needs to be out at midnight? As for a mother arrested for taking a bath when her children were 13 and 14, that borders on ridiculous and only proves that kids will do whatever they want. When it gets to the point you can't take a bath when your kids are teenagers, it's time to show the kids what jail feels like. Funny when society decided spanking only hurt their poor little self-esteem and we have to give ribbons to all youngsters in sports whether they win or lose, we are not doing them any favors. We are blocking their ability to learn good sportsmanship (which includes many GOOD life lessons) as well as winning and losing graciously. They are growing up with a sense of entitlement and unless we are allowed to lock them in a room when we want to take a bath, they will find a way to do what they want. Sociological research has proved that once kids reach the age of around 12-13, peer pressure overcomes parental authority and kids are taught in school how easy it is to get their parents in trouble and will lie to get their parents in trouble and then do as they please, not understanding the consequences because their brains aren't developed enough, so thank you those who train their children starting in the toddler years that they are entitled to do as they please. Now, ban them from the mall at all hours if you must because there are people who are actually there for a reason other than to cause trouble - and as usual, you can blame it on the few that have no respect for anyone when it affects the many.

44) Comment by Get Real - 08/01/2013

I lived in Metairie and Clearview Mall as tball stated didn't have a curfew but a rule that no one under 16 was allowed in the Mall without a parent and the child had to be with the parent. To me that is the best solution because now you are holding PARENTS ACCOUNTABLE. I know this is a new concept when everyone from teachers to the garbage man is held accountable for the actions of children but the are parents are not.

45) Comment by tball - 08/01/2013

The EBR council should look at other mall"s curfew. The Clearview Mall in Metairie rule is you must be with a parent if you are under 16, and you cannot hang in the mall all day.

46) Comment by barmart - 08/01/2013

If you are concerned about crime you should support Mr. Loupe's proposal to amend the current curfew. While this may not have prevented the incident at the mall, it may save a life in the future. We need to be proactive, not reactive.

47) Comment by Chucky - 08/01/2013

Did I not read just this week that the police arrested a mother for child neglect and the children were 13 and 14 ? I believe she was taking a bath when the children took her car.

48) Comment by Terd Handler - 08/01/2013

Unfortunately, an 11 pm curfew would have had no effct on the mall fight that started at 6 pm. The best way to deal with this is to throw the book at the young people arrested for the fight, and to make sure everyody knows about it.

49) Comment by tradewinns - 08/01/2013

why make it so difficult? the parents of every one of those kids are fiscally morally and legally responsible for their kids. HOLD THEM ACCOUNTABLE. STOP THE BOVINE DROPPING. POLITICIANS ARE USELESS FOR ANYTHING.