Conn. town mourns as police search for answers  

Updated at 6:25 p.m. on Saturday

NEWTOWN, Conn. (AP) — Investigators tried to figure out what led a bright but painfully awkward 20-year-old to slaughter 26 children and adults at a Connecticut elementary school, while townspeople sadly took down some of their Christmas decorations and struggled Saturday with how to go on.

The tragedy brought forth soul-searching and grief around the globe. Families as far away as Puerto Rico began to plan funerals for victims who still had their baby teeth, world leaders extended condolences, and vigils were held around the U.S.

Amid the sorrow, stories of heroism emerged, including an account of the Sandy Hook Elementary School principal who lost her life lunging at the gunman, Adam Lanza, in an attempt to overpower him.

Police shed no light on what triggered the second-deadliest school shooting in U.S. history, though state police Lt. Paul Vance said investigators had found “very good evidence ... that our investigators will be able to use in painting the complete picture, the how and, more importantly, the why.” He would not elaborate.

Another law enforcement official, speaking on condition of anonymity, said investigators have found no note or manifesto from Lanza of the sort they have come to expect after murderous rampages such as the Virginia Tech bloodbath in 2007 that left 33 people dead.

The mystery deepened as Newtown education officials said they had found no link between Lanza’s mother and the school, contrary to news reports that said she was a teacher there. Investigators said they believe Adam Lanza attended Sandy Hook Elementary many years ago, but they had no explanation for why he went there on Friday.

Lanza shot and killed his mother, Nancy Lanza, at the home they shared, then drove to the school in her car with at least three of her guns, forced his way inside and opened fire in two classrooms, authorities said. Within minutes, he killed 20 children, six adults and himself.

On Saturday, Chief Medical Examiner Dr. H. Wayne Carver said all the victims at the school were shot with a rifle, at least some of them up close, and all of them were apparently shot more than once. All six adults killed at the school were women. Of the 20 children, eight were boys and 12 were girls. All the children were 6 or 7 years old.

Asked how many bullets were fired, Carver said, “I’m lucky if I can tell you how many I found.”

Asked if the children suffered, he paused. “If so,” he said, “not for very long.”

The tragedy plunged Newtown into mourning and added the picturesque New England community of handsome colonial homes, red-brick sidewalks and 27,000 people to the grim map of towns where mass shootings in recent years have periodically reignited the national debate over gun control but led to little change.

Signs around town read, “Hug a teacher today,” “Please pray for Newtown” and “Love will get us through.”

“People in my neighborhood are feeling guilty about it being Christmas. They are taking down decorations,” said Jeannie Pasacreta, a psychologist who was advising parents struggling with how to talk to their children.

The list of the dead was released Saturday, but in the tightly knit town, nearly everyone already seemed to know someone who died.

Among the dead: well-liked Principal Dawn Hochsprung, 47, who town officials say tried to stop the rampage; school psychologist Mary Sherlach, 56, who probably would have helped survivors grapple with the tragedy; a teacher thrilled to have been hired this year; and a 6-year-old girl who had just moved to Newtown from Canada.

“Next week is going to be horrible,” said the town’s legislative council chairman, Jeff Capeci, thinking about the string of funerals the town will face. “Horrible, and the week leading into Christmas.”

School board chairwoman Debbie Leidlein spent Friday night meeting with parents who lost children and shivered as she recalled those conversations. “They were asking why. They can’t wrap their minds around it. Why? What’s going on?” she said. “And we just don’t have any answers for them.”

Authorities said Lanza had no criminal history, and it was not clear whether he had a job. Lanza was believed to have suffered from a personality disorder, said a law enforcement official who spoke on condition of anonymity.

Another law enforcement official, also speaking on condition of anonymity, said Lanza had been diagnosed with Asperger’s, a mild form of autism often characterized by social awkwardness. People with the disorder are often highly intelligent. While they can become frustrated more easily, there is no evidence of a link between Asperger’s and violent behavior, experts say.

The law enforcement officials insisted on anonymity because they were not authorized to discuss the unfolding investigation.

Acquaintances describe the former honor student as smart but odd and remote.

Olivia DeVivo, now a student at the University of Connecticut, recalled that Lanza always came to school toting a briefcase and wearing his shirt buttoned all the way up. “He was very different and very shy and didn’t make an effort to interact with anybody” in his 10th-grade English class, she said.

“You had yourself a very scared young boy who was very nervous around people,” said Richard Novia, who was the school district’s head of security and adviser to the high school’s Tech Club, of which Lanza was a member. He added: “He was a loner.”

Novia said Lanza had extreme difficulties relating to fellow students and teachers, as well as a strange bodily condition: “If that boy would’ve burned himself, he would not have known it or felt it physically.”

Lanza would also go through crises that would require his mother to come to school to deal with. Such episodes might involve “total withdrawal from whatever he was supposed to be doing, be it a class, be it sitting and read a book,” Novia said.

When people approached Lanza in the hallways, he would press himself against the wall or walk in a different direction, clutching his black case “like an 8-year-old who refuses to give up his teddy bear,” said Novia, who now lives in Tennessee.

Even so, Novia said his main concern about Lanza was that he might become a target for teasing or abuse by other students, not that he might become a threat.

“Somewhere along in the last four years there were significant changes that led to what has happened Friday morning,” Novia said. “I could never have foreseen him doing that.”

Sandy Hook Elementary will be closed next week — some parents can’t even conceive of sending their children back, Leidlein said — and officials are deciding what to do about the town’s other schools.

Asked whether the town would recover, Maryann Jacob, a clerk in the school library who took cover in a storage room with 18 fourth-graders during the shooting rampage, said: “We have to. We have a lot of children left.”

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Contributing to this report were Associated Press writers Jim Fitzgerald, Bridget Murphy, Pat Eaton-Robb and Michael Melia in Newtown; Adam Geller in Southbury, Conn.; and Stephen Singer in Hartford, Conn.


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1) Comment by Chucky - 17/12/2012

They NRA "responsible gun ownership and crack down on the use of illegal guns as well as guns not used in the way they were intended." Yet they are competing with the Justice Department Fast and Furious, Chrilter -. Guns are a reality in the USA programs for safe ownership is needed free and for the well fair of all.

2) Comment by Tea_Slayer - 17/12/2012

DMJ: "Those aren't our only 2 options, folks." To the nuts, those ARE our only two options. See below...

3) Comment by Chrilter - 17/12/2012

1) I agree DMJ, when was the last time Congress passed a law that completely solved the problem it was dealing with. Just because we cannot solve the entire problem does not mean we should do nothing at all. 2) @Nimby, that's true, we cannot control criminals....does that mean all laws should be abolished considering criminals do not follow them? That makes sense, because laws do not deter people from committing crime, that's why everyone steals whatever they want always (or is that not how your community works?) 3) We don't even know who has guns in this country as a generous portion of gun sales are private/gun show loophole sales which have no restrictions whatsoever (this means a felon, terrorist, or anyone else with the money can obtain whatever firearm they want) 4) As far as the background checks we do have, the only 2 restrictions regarding mental health are 1) if the person is involuntarily committed to a mental institution and 2) if the courts deem them incapable of owning due to mental illness (the last time we approached this subject was in the 60's) ...Also, even those on the FBI terrorist watchlist can legally purchase firearms so long as they are not a felon (NRA supports them) 5) Lott's book HAS been thoroughly debunked by peer review and through a general look at places with extremely strict gun laws (Norway, Switzerland), gun control serves an important function of saving lives. 6) The 2nd Amendment states, "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed" So, as per the Supreme Court in Heller and McDonald, there is an individual right to own a firearm for self defense; however, this right is not absolute and laws can be passed that reasonably restrict the use, possession, and sale of firearms. This SHOULD mean a national firearm registry which documents every firearm in the US and who is in possession of said firearm. Documents the sale or transfer of every firearm in the US. Mandatory extensive training for any and all firearm ownership. At the end of the day, it is this perverse idolization of the wild west mentality that currently inhabits the NRA and its followers. They should be ashamed of their irresponsible stance on gun ownership. If they were truly advocates of gun ownership, they would want to do what they could to ensure responsible gun ownership and crack down on the use of illegal guns as well as guns not used in the way they were intended.

4) Comment by DMJ - 17/12/2012

Everyone acts like it's all or nothing. Either we ban all guns or have no restrictions? Those aren't our only 2 options, folks.

5) Comment by nimby? - 17/12/2012

the bad guys are always going to be out there . they are not going to play by the rules nor are they giving up any advantage they might have .

6) Comment by madbiker - 17/12/2012

I do agree with DMJ for once. Americans want to own guns. Many have them. The Constitution gives us the right. We all saw how much success we had when we tried to outlaw alcohol. It didn't work. How successful does one think we, as a nation will be in outlawing guns, a constitutional right, when we have not been successful in protecting ourselves from things that do not have any constitutional protections and cause far more harm?

7) Comment by madbiker - 17/12/2012

It was interesting that someone mentioned that Australia’s ban resulted in no mass murders, yet someone else mentioned the prohibition on weapons in Mexico and we know there are mass murders there all the time. I wonder what the difference is. Could it be a corrupt or inept government in Mexico? I don’t know. I do know that we are closer to Mexico than Australia. I do know that I do not have a high degree of confidence in the ability of the EBR Parish Sheriff’s office nor the Baton Rouge Police Department to protect me. I do know there are drug related shootings here in Baton Rouge almost every day. Yet, there are those who want to make me a criminal for owing a Glock, even though that ownership is protected by the constitution. The real truth of the matter is that if someone wanted to kill me, my Glock would not stop them if they were successful on their first attempt. You cannot stop a pre-planned ambush or assassination. However if they were not successful in the first attempt, then ….

8) Comment by DMJ - 17/12/2012

Yes, take it to logical absurdity then make fun of it. That's helpful.

9) Comment by nimby? - 17/12/2012

we cannot monitor 100 percent of the population 100 percent of the time . the majority of weapons surrendered in programs such as cash/gas for guns are inoperable antiques . the legal due process of removing weapons from the public would take years . loopholes would be created allowing favoritism . the logical solution would be to declare a national emergency seizing all registered legal weapons. no more problems , the criminal element would respect our vulnerability . our law enforcement agencies will provide ample protection .

10) Comment by DMJ - 17/12/2012

Correction: we SHOULD all know better...

11) Comment by nimby? - 17/12/2012

"we" do ?

12) Comment by DMJ - 17/12/2012

Honestly, it's probably too late for effective gun control. There are already 200 million guns in the country. The assault weapons ban wouldn't prevent anyone from buying mulitple handguns and unlimited rounds of ammuntion. Gun advocates won this argument....and the result is scenes like the one in Connecticut...and whatever the next random mass shooting will be...which will be in a few months or so most likely. Just watch. For the NRA and gun advocates, these kinds of attacks are collateral damage in the battle they won to keep firearms legal and easily obtained. Sure, they won't admit it, but we all know better...

13) Comment by Chucky - 17/12/2012

thank you agagent - that is what i have been trying to put into words,

14) Comment by agagent - 17/12/2012

Could a rejected law be a part of the solution? This year Connecticut considered enacting an "assisted outpatient treatment" law. It is one of a few states which has no such law. This law could force treatment of mental health illness and/or confine some who are deemed a threat to themselves or others. Lawmakers rejected the law because of patient-client privileges and concerns for privacy rights.

15) Comment by agagent - 17/12/2012

Can we identify and stop the kind of person who would commit mass murder?--"The F.B.I. worked out the following general profile of the culprit, based on an analysis of six particular cases: absence of family support, narcistic character, feeling of injustice or grievance, easy access to guns, connection to satanistic or other aggressive subcultures, social inexpressivity vernalisation of aggressive issues, feeling of helplessness, absence of feeling of blame, media impact and diminishing of mechanisms suppressing aggression, other circumstances supporting violence or removing buffers for aggression . . . ."-- Čírtková

16) Comment by agagent - 17/12/2012

School security must be a part of the discussion--“Mass Murders at School Institutions: Children and Parents as Easy Targets: . . . School environment seems to be an ideal place for mass murderers. There is a high number of persons who, from the point of view of an armed killer, can serve as “easy targets” . . . .”--Josef Smolík & Vladimír Vaďura

17) Comment by krl777 - 16/12/2012

A companion article reports that that the gunman used large capacity clips of a particularly deadly ammunition, and it is reported elsewhere that the bulk of the murders were committed with the assault-style Bushmaster, similar to that used by the Aurora cinema shooter. Yet Attila ridicules those who suggest an alternative to the promiscuous availability of highly lethal weaponry. These people haven't even the dimmest awareness that the idea of sacrificing children on the altar of their adolescent fantasies is indecent.

18) Comment by Tea_Slayer - 16/12/2012

All these "responsible" gun owners broke no laws until they pulled the trigger (or made credible threats to schools)... plus the idiot who didn't unload his weapon before disassembling it... these are the people that "the right" are protecting... /// http://www.kval.com/news/local/Man-shoots-friend-self-while-taking-gun-apart-183657131.html /// http://myfox8.com/2012/12/15/deputies-nc-man-shoots-and-kills-wife-mother-in-law/ /// http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/15/alabama-hospital-shooting-wounded-gunman-killed_n_2307505.html /// http://www.8newsnow.com/story/20351472/2-confirmed-shot-at-excalibur-hotel /// http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/16/von-meyer-indiana-school-guns_n_2311717.html /// http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/16/marcos-gurrola-arrested-_n_2309425.html ///

19) Comment by Tea_Slayer - 16/12/2012

Fact: nimby has no clue what "the left" wants.

20) Comment by nimby? - 16/12/2012

responsible gun ownership . responsibility , something sorely lacking in todays world , lot of anger . people don't talk , trust each other . why ? fact ; the left will not be completely happy until there is no more personal gun ownership .

21) Comment by Chucky - 16/12/2012

Free gun cabinets and safes for gun owners , free safety and carry courses for gun owners , free gun cleaning for gun owners ( a lot of deaths from that) free safe ammunition for gun owners, free firing lines for gun owners, free upgrade to better and safer weapon for gun owners, free coursed on the gun law for gun owners, and the list goes on why do not the Democrats start this and help us live with the law ? Why do not the Republicans ? If America are going to carry guns I would rather see free courses than free cell phones on how to own a gun.

22) Comment by NearBarbarian - 16/12/2012

If the pro-gun opinions stated here are indicative, the arguments for significantly increasing restrictions on firearm ownership become more compelling by the minute. Those most adamant about "gun rights" tend to express the nihilism, insensitivity, self-righteousness, and solipsism that are frequently exhibited by the individuals who have committed small- and large-scale atrocities. In a society based on the idea that deliberation and adaptation are crucial to its survival, the NRA and its sympathizers are not going to be able to hide any longer behind what is, at best, a vague Second Amendment. Instead, they will have to join a civil discourse based on adequate, representative, and credible evidence, as well as on good faith--a discourse worthy of a democracy. Nevertheless, as their utterances accumulate, it becomes more evident that their ability to do so is highly unlikely. They appear to be the kind of people who cannot be trusted with ideas, much less highly efficient, deadly weapons.

23) Comment by Tea_Slayer - 16/12/2012

"Every place that has initiated the guy to carry crime has gone down. Facts are facts" yes they are. And Lott distorted them to fit his narrative. Take for instance that his study neglected to use armed robbery as on EOC the criteria. Care to guess why? His study has been debunked on so many levels, yet the gun nuts like FjStevens still try to use his study with all of its inherent flaws as evidence. If the "shall issue" laws have indeed reduced crime in all places as FjStevens suggests, then Louisiana should have very low crime rates since they have had these laws since well before Lott's study was conducted. Right?... And here is a nice list of sites where you can find the fraudulent Lott study debunked. Sme are direct refutations of his study, while others call into question his flawed methodolgy. http://islandia.law.yale.edu/ayers/Ayres_Donohue_article.pdf //// http://www.cse.unsw.edu.au/%7Elambert/guns/lindgren.html //// http://scienceblogs.com/deltoid/2003/04/10/duncan3/ //// http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/chatterbox/2003/02/the_bellesiles_of_the _right.html //// http://scienceblogs.com/deltoid/2009/02/13/scholars-cannot-replicate-lott/

24) Comment by Fjsteven - 16/12/2012

HRoark, John Lott's book has Ben thoroughly vetted, and it is sound regardless of what your msnbc leaders tell you. For every study discrediting his research there are many others confirming it. He's a commentator oN Fox Ness so he doesn't have creditibility? That's funny. He's also a commentator on numerous other shows as well, except MSNBC which, of course never has opposing viewpoints. Fox News, on the other hand had numerous liberal commentators, Alan Colmes, Bob Beckel, Juan Williams, Geraldo Rivera, and many others. Do they not have credibility either? Every place that has initiated the guy to carry crime has gone down. Facts are facts. Furthermore, the NRA is composed of four million Americans, and they are the ones responsible for instituting the instant background check.

25) Comment by nimby? - 16/12/2012

HRoark , it has worked twice in my home , good enough for me .

26) Comment by nimby? - 16/12/2012

kids used to play outside all of the time . fishing , riding bikes everywhere , playing ball , etc . now they hole up in a dark room in front of a screen killing everything in sight . parents allow this and even encourage as not to be bothered . that is the problem . fat , lazy parent , fat lazy kids , both mentally numb ....

27) Comment by HRoark - 16/12/2012

The John Lott book cited by FJSteven was based on data that Lott manipulated to be absolutely sure that his preconceived conclusions would be supported. In other words, its full of lies. Lott is a mouthpiece for the NRA and other gun lobby groups. He's also a commentator on Fox News, so that automatically neutralizes any credibility he might have had. As I said, no objective evidence exists that legal gun ownership has an impact on crime prevention.

28) Comment by Scrooge - 16/12/2012

agagent, Children died. Your unhealthy political obsession is interfering with your judgement . You are a sick person. May the survivors find peace in their religions.

29) Comment by ABayouBoy - 16/12/2012

You know, the boy obviously had some mental issues. And the investigators are seeking the answers as to why he might do such a thing. I would take a long, hard, look at Ms. Lanza. A kindergarten teacher with 3 registered firearms sends its own message to me. She may just be the instigating factor that started the whole thing. Sometimes things inside the home are not quite what they may appear to be....There are some forms of mental cruelty that can be just as deadly as a handgun.

30) Comment by agagent - 16/12/2012

I was just wondering if the mother realized the danger her son poised for her and others? If so, did they take advantage of any mental health programs, and how effective are such programs in turning such behavior around. Were the firearms locked away or did Adam succeed in breaking into where the firearms were locked?

31) Comment by agagent - 16/12/2012

For those wanting to blame Jindal for an incident in Connecticut you can took a look at how Obama and Congress let an important school security program lapse. The media is too busy pushing gun control to get the story right and report all the relevant facts.

32) Comment by agagent - 16/12/2012

"A nationally recognized school security expert said those funds had been critical for years in helping schools continue to enhance protections against growing threats of violence. But they simply dried up with little notice as the Columbine and Virginia Tech school shooting tragedies faded from memory and many Americans and political leaders had their attentions diverted to elections, a weak economy and overseas dramas. “I was baffled to see funds and programs cut in these areas,” said Kenneth Trump, the president of the National School Safety and Security Services firm that helps school districts and policymakers improve protections for teachers and students. “Our political and policy leaders need to walk the walk, not just talk the talk about being concerned about school safety.”-- John Solomon and Kimberly Dvorak

33) Comment by agagent - 16/12/2012

Before Connecticut tragedy, administration eliminated emergency preparedness program,let school violence prevention programs lapse UPDATED 23:43 PM EST, December 14, 2012 “Government officials told the Washington Guardian on Friday night that two Justice Department programs that had provided more than $200 million to schools for training, security equipment and police resources over the last decade weren't renewed in 2011 and 2012, and that a separate program that provided $800 million to put police officers inside the schools was ended a few years earlier. Meanwhile, the administration eliminated funding in 2011-12 for a separate Education Department program that gave money to schools to prepare for mass tragedies, the officials said."--John Solomon and Kimberly Dvorak

34) Comment by Spudaroonski - 16/12/2012

And we can speculate till the cows come home about the mother and what she did or should have done. Yes, it was no doubt a mental health issue but my recommendation to help with that would be to stop electing these D-bags that when faced with budget shortfalls think mental health services should be the first thing put on the chopping block. You listening Piyush?

35) Comment by Spudaroonski - 16/12/2012

@IH8Mud just why isn't it a finite number? What are you or anyone else so afraid of that you feel you need to keep an arsenal in your home? You said you own 3 guns and that seems reasonable. I own 2 myself but It obviously gives the NRA crowd a deep sense of security to have lots of fire power at their finger tips so no I don't think my genital comment was stupid at all because at some point it really isn't about just the guns. There has to be some other deep seated feelings of inadequacy in an individual who feels they must have more "firepower" than the next guy. And who said anything about not believing in the constitution? No one here has said anything of the sort.I have no problem with the law abiding rational citizens like you said but the NRA crowd is anything but rational. If you think having a sane gun control policy is lame then you need to reexamine what you consider to be rational. Regulating the purchase of firearms isn't irrational. It's a step in the right direction to curtail some of these senseless killings. Stop worshipping at the altar of the 2nd amendment and open your eyes.

36) Comment by nimby? - 16/12/2012

little has been said of the violence in television , movies , music or video games . these are major contributors . yet to criticize would be called an attack on free speech , censorship . consider the numbing effect on a child sitting for hours in front of a video screen wandering aimlessly , killing everything in sight . it is the parent , not society who is at fault ...

37) Comment by IH8Mud - 15/12/2012

Let me ask you this, Spud. Why has nobody questioned if the mother took measures to make safe the weapons she owned, if she knew that her son had a mental issue? Why is this a gun issue and not a common sense issue of what a responsible mother should have done with a possibly mentally unstable son in the house, if it was the case that he was unstable and she knew?

38) Comment by IH8Mud - 15/12/2012

It's not a finite number, Spud. How many would you feel comfortable with that you can keep safely in your home? For me, it is 3 that suit my purposes. Will that change? Maybe, maybe not. But for now, I feel safe that my choice works for me. And my weapons in my home have nothing to do with my genital size. What a stupid comment, spud. You don't like that answer? Tough. As for my brains being mush, they are far from it. In fact, I can think for myself rather than simply proclaim the panic-driven crowds creed of "All guns are unsafe, we must take the guns away from the law abiding citizens." Why is it that those who believe in the Constitution and the Bill of Rights have to be "hard core jesus freeks"? Why can't we simply be law abiding, rational citizens who happen to believe in the ideals that the United States of America were founded on? Why aren't the freeks the people who don't believe in the Constitution and the Bill of Rights? And why does it have to be a finite number to you? Just so you can try to make some lame point?

39) Comment by Spudaroonski - 15/12/2012

Ok, I'll play along with the more guns will solve all our problems crowd. What is the recommended arsenal one should have in the home? How many assault rifles do I need to take out that burglar that climbs through my window in the middle of the night? What's the recommended number of hand guns I should always have on hand? How many high powered rifles should I have? Is 5 too few? Is 6 too many? Should I try and acquire a grenade launcher? And the most important question of all is will the more guns I own really make me feel like my genitals are bigger than they really are? I gotta tell you boys the NRA has totally turned your brains to mush. You're like hard core jesus freaks in that logic and reason doesn't enter in to your thought process when it comes to the question of gun ownership. So come on now and tell me how many guns is enough?

40) Comment by Scrooge - 15/12/2012

Certainly it is not guns that are the problem it is the mentality and culture that glorifies them. Firearms are primarily manufactured to kill, why else would they be manufactured? Irrational arguments do not alter the reality. One is just as dead no matter the instrument. "The guns don't kill" arguments have not merit, IMO.

41) Comment by Attila - 15/12/2012

From what I have learned so far the gunman was not using the dreaded "assault weapon". He used semi automatic handguns and a hunting rifle. You in the gun control crowd keep harping on assault weapons, and large capacity magazines. Neither of these was in play in this tragedy according to the info released so far. So....what do you Chicken Little's suggest? Since most of you say that you do not want to ban ALL guns, which weapons do you think we should be able to legally keep? Wait, don't answer that I already know the answer and it is probably a forked stick and a rubber band.

42) Comment by nimby? - 15/12/2012

man is this planets most evolved creature , he is also its most irrational . he will act without thought , need , motive or remorse . the only way this could have been avoided is that there were no guns on the planet . if something can be obtained , it will be . if all the law ab bidding citizens surrendered their weapons would the criminal element do the same , give up its advantage ? if they didn't who would intervene , law enforcement , the government ?

43) Comment by Chucky - 15/12/2012

For those who have posted, it is a mental health issue and not a gun issue, I agree. The Supreme Court has ruled. now we must find how to live and not die with the ruling. Stronger intervention from the mental health professionals and education of the public in observation and danger signs that may indicate an upcoming break with reality is needed.

44) Comment by Scrooge - 15/12/2012

RPGS's don't kill people, people kill people. Artillery doesn't kill people, people kill people. M-60's don't kill people, people kill people. For that matter, h-bombs don't kill people, people kill people. So why ban anything? Maybe because of people?

45) Comment by Tea_Slayer - 15/12/2012

"More guns, less crime" is a book full of lies with not a shred of "objective evidence" as suggested by a previous poster. http://islandia.law.yale.edu/ayers/Ayres_Donohue_article.pdf

46) Comment by krl777 - 15/12/2012

We don't have to accept the claim that if we regulate firearms, then we scrap the Second Amendment and trample the rights of gun owners. As Nicholas Kristof details in his New York Times editorial today, when Australia banned most rapid-fire guns in 1996, its mass shooting rate plunged from 13 incidents in the 18 previous years, to 0 in the subsequent 14 years. We know that this suggestion will be met with idiotic "rebuttals" -- that people kill people, not guns, that ultimate responsibility lies with the shooter or his family, or with mental illness, that a determined enough criminal can always get a gun, etc. These ignore the real world. In the real world, safety improvements save lives, even if they aren't perfect, and impediments to criminal activity reduce criminal activity, even if it is logically possible for determined criminals to circumvent them. That's an numbers game, a matter of statistical odds. Regulation of firearms can keep arms suitable for sporting and self protection in the hands of responsible citizens, without making military grade firepower easily available to felons and the mentally ill. If you don't accept this, then you have no right to pretend to grieve for murdered schoolchildren -- they are collateral damage of your policy choices, we will have many more of them, and you should own that.

47) Comment by Spudaroonski - 15/12/2012

And yes, this is absolutely the time we talk about gun control.

48) Comment by Spudaroonski - 15/12/2012

This is such a horrible tragedy. If any good can come from something so despicable hopefully it will be that this is the tipping point to wake people up and make them realize we need meaningful and sane gun control regulation in this country. I believe in the right to own a gun but there absolutely must be limits.

49) Comment by 8point6 - 15/12/2012

Wonder what bob costas has to say about this. I heard a question posed several days ago which was directed toward costas. If guns kill people, how in the world do people walk out of a gun show alive? May God help those who are mourning for their children and loved ones during this time.

50) Comment by Attila - 15/12/2012

While people are out there screaming that it was the gun's fault has anyone ever considered that the Mother and family of the perpetrator may also bear some culpability. Why were the guns not locked in a gun safe. This would seem to be the prudent thing to do especially if there is a mentally unstable person in the home. Was this person in counseling? If not, why not? Were steps taken to make people aware that the perpetrator had what appeared to be a mental problem? Were friends and neighbors aware of the mans problem? If so, why did they not take steps to report it? There are many unanswered questions. Until there is concrete evidence that the weapons used in this catastrophe just jumped up by themselves, went to the school, shot their way in, and murdered all of this children and teachers, hysteria over guns is just that....hysteria.

51) Comment by ABayouBoy - 15/12/2012

My mouse button is acting up....

52) Comment by ABayouBoy - 15/12/2012

I must agree with Bouncer's previous post. It is society to blame ultimately for whats happening today. Over the course of my lifetime I have seen people changing from good Christian's, and those values, to more of selfish, conceited, manipulative, greedy, and hard-hearted types in the name of improving their "net worth" or of "self image". Its time to realize that compassion for others is its own reward.

53) Comment by ABayouBoy - 15/12/2012

I must agree with Bouncer's previous post. It is society to blame ultimately for whats happening today. Over the course of my lifetime I have seen people changing from good Christian's, and those values, to more of selfish, conceited, manipulative, greedy, and hard-hearted types in the name of improving their "net worth" or of "self image". Its time to realize that compassion for others is its own reward.

54) Comment by gofigger - 15/12/2012

Video games have warped the minds of many in this country.

55) Comment by gofigger - 15/12/2012

I'm sorry for this tragedy, I pray for the victims and their families. There are so many ways to bring death to innocent people. Banning guns makes as much sense as banning automobiles due to DUI.

56) Comment by Fjsteven - 15/12/2012

Attila, the gun grabbers hysterics have already begun http://mobile.wnd.com/2012/12/slaughter-triggers-media-push-for-gun-control/? cat_orig=us The left will never let a crisis go to waste.

57) Comment by JenniferW1126 - 15/12/2012

Lockerbie Scotland, December 21, 1988. 243 killed. Not a single gun involved. Let's ban airplanes. Oklahoma City, April 19 1995. 168 killed, 680 injured. Not a single gun involved. Let's ban fertilizer and gasoline. New York City, September 11, 2001. More than 3000 killed and countless others effected forever. Not a single gun involved. Those darn airplanes again. Knife murders in China....whoa. Check this out http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/School_attacks_in_China_(2010%E2% 80%932011). Let's ban China, or social change, or something. We just need to ban SOMETHING dangit!

58) Comment by JenniferW1126 - 15/12/2012

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59) Comment by Attila - 15/12/2012

So...once again the hysterical left will mobilize and attempt to "control" our right to bear arms. You wusses will have more success p'ing up a rope than banning firearms, or the new target, ammunition. The only thing you will succeed in is making yourselves "feel good". The law abiding gun owners of this country will not stand idly by and allow you Chicken Little's to confine one of our most cherished rights to the garbage bin to satisfy your inadequacies. The left has succeeded in compromising the values that made this country great. I suggest that we look at the violence in the video games that obsess our young. The lack of moral direction that is rampant in today's society that is promoted by the left, and the "if it feels good do it attitude that it fosters. If the first amendment rights allow all of the mayhem in these video games, so called music called rap that glorifies the killing of police, innocents, and women who are now referred to as ho's, we conservatives certainly will fight for second amendment. Individual responsibility is not part of the progressive agenda....it is time to look inward and see that personal responsibility, character, and yes, mental illness are the causes of tragedies such as these...you good folks on the left need to stop supporting things that lead to acts such as this...our society has devolved into the depths in great part due to lack of the above fostered by the willingness of the left to ordain anything and everything in order to further their "progressive" agenda...an agenda that is about as progressive as cancer.

60) Comment by Fjsteven - 15/12/2012

HRoark, you are flat put wrong when you say, "No objective evidence exists that having a gun, or a large arsenal, has any sort of preventative effect on being injured or killed by a home invader". John Lott wrote a book called More Guns Less crime that provides reams of objective evidence that 2.5 million crimes are prevented every year do to gun ownership. Quit getting all of your talking points from the gun control organizations. Furthermore, Connecticut has some of the stricter gun control laws in the nation, yet this crime still occurred. Could the outcome of Columbine, VA Tech, and this most recent horror have been lessened or averted if the laws that make it illegal for teachers who have concealed weapons permits to carry on campus did not exist? Keep in mind that one can't get a permit without an in depth background check (including mental health) and firearms and training on lawful use of force. It seems to me that if I'm a deranged psycho intent on killing mass numbers of innocents then a firearms free zone is the easiest place to accomplish the mission. I guess the other alternative is to kiss freedom goodbye, disarm everyone, and institute a police state and a mind reading crime prevention team to so that we can all be safe. Oh, but I forgot that governmental genocide only occurs after the populace is disarmed.

61) Comment by spqr - 15/12/2012

This nation has become a sorry state. Kids. Presents that will never be unwrapped. Their parents nothing more than the walking dead. It is difficult not to be moved to tears.

62) Comment by redstickcitizen - 15/12/2012

http://www.jsonline.com/news/law-creates-barriers-to-getting-care-for-mentally-ill- 135387808.html?

63) Comment by cbelse1 - 15/12/2012

Crabby: Agreed. Governor Jindal and his administration are making it harder and harder for people to access mental health care. La Superintendent of Education John White is proposing to change the ratio requirement for counselors in schools from policy to recommendation, making it possible for districts to reduce counselor positions or to eliminate them altogether.

64) Comment by redstickcitizen - 15/12/2012

Bouncer and crabby seem to have it right. What is woven into the fabric of our culture is the unwillingness to intervene in the known and obvious problems of the mentally ill (a term we avoid by choosing instead to call them homeless, loners,or antisocial). Until we as a society decide to legislate and fund such intervention, we will continue to wait until its too late - until an individual presents an imminent danger to himself or others. All of these mass killings involve individuals with obvious mental health problems that are well documented and known to those around them but until the killing started could not have been said to present an "imminent" danger.

65) Comment by crabby - 15/12/2012

Again, our State is headed for a budget mess -- and again, we will try to balance it on the backs of school kids and the mentally ill. (We will also likely waste valuable time and resources legislating additional gun protections).

66) Comment by Bouncer - 15/12/2012

We are going to see more occurrences of this sort of incident. There is something sick and dysfunctional woven into the fabric of American culture. In such cultural soil, strange and dangerous weeds will grow undetected until they blossom into violence. There is absolutely nothing that can be done to stop this kind of thing.

67) Comment by Grannee - 15/12/2012

It appears that these domestic terrorist low life THUGS are more of a threat than foreign terrorist. The question now, is how do you identity them before something like this happens again.

68) Comment by Elderly Man - 15/12/2012

The ultra liberal Baton Rouge media are playing the incident in Connecticut in a sentimental way that undermines support for our divine Second Amendment Right guaranteed for all eternity by the Constitution of the United States of America. Clearly, the mindless, brutal slaughter of innocent children has no justification but the failure of the school to provide adequate security, the breakdown of local law enforcement, and the utter failure of Homeland Security are the sources of this tragedy. Apparently, the weapons used belonged to one of the teachers at the school. She failed to keep them from an insane son.

69) Comment by agagent - 15/12/2012

Gun ownership has increased and violent crime has declined. The “gun-free zone” thinking is faulty as those you want to carry, law-abiding and trained in firearms safety, will obey the law and those with a evil intent will not obey the law.

70) Comment by agagent - 15/12/2012

We need better security at schools. Can criminals and disturbed people just walk in at will?

71) Comment by agagent - 15/12/2012

Basic firearm safety: Keep your firearms and ammunition locked away. I want a firearm to protect myself and my family if a criminal comes after me.

72) Comment by Elderly Man - 15/12/2012

You liberals will use the tragic loss of these precious angels to justify attacks on our God-given Second Amendment Right to force these evil outcomes on us. 8.) Require background checks for purchase of guns. 9.) Ban ownership and possession of semi-automatic weapons. 10.) Ban ownership and possession of high capacity clips. 11.) Ban guns for convicted felons and certain mentally ill people. 12.) Limit the number of guns one person can possess or own. 13.) Require registration of all guns.

73) Comment by HRoark - 14/12/2012

IH8Mud, I did not feel that your points were particularly valid, but I did address them. I was only pointing our that your comparison between what that person did and what you suggest he tried to do was invalid. No objective evidence exists that having a gun, or a large arsenal, has any sort of preventative effect on being injured or killed by a home invader. In fact the data point to the opposite...if you are known to have guns, especially lots of them, you are more likely to be victimized by criminals (needing guns). Actually, a loud dog is a much better deterrent. No, I would not talk harshly, I would call the police while the dog barks, then run out the side door. Much preferable to a good old fashioned shootout. But this discussion is a sad digression from the tragedy of today, so let's call it quits and feel sad for those kids and the adults that died.

74) Comment by IH8Mud - 14/12/2012

HRoark, if you feel that strongly, why don't you address the points I first made?

75) Comment by IH8Mud - 14/12/2012

HRoark, reading and comprehension is not your strong suit, as proven by your post. I never did say that he killed anyone with the homemade bombs but did state that in the situation that he was unable to find a "legal" alternative of a bomb or grenade, he found the means and made his own. Is that clearly spelled out enough for even you to follow? As for dangerous side effects, they are people being unable to defend themselves against home invasions, carjackings, etc... What do you propose to use if someone breaks into your home to do harm to your family? Are you going to talk harshly to him? Do you really think gun laws will prevent him from having a gun to threaten you or your family?

76) Comment by NearBarbarian - 14/12/2012

Two points: 1) One would think that before skipping down the path of ideologically-driven blaming and bickering, we could spend at least twenty-four hours on revering the lives of those lost today and on sympathizing with families and the community rocked to the core today. 2) The sort of attitude exemplified by IH8Mud--dismissive of others' views, quick to personally attack people, lack of empathy for victims of gun violence, etc.--is probably why some want restrictions on who may or may not possess firearms. However, returning to point 1), that's a topic for another day.

77) Comment by HRoark - 14/12/2012

The homemade explosives at Eagan's house didn't kill anybody. He used guns for that. Try again IH8Mud, that didn't work. What dangerous side effects?

78) Comment by IH8Mud - 14/12/2012

And of course, all of the gun control wackos will point to this just as they pointed to the nut in Aurora. However the point that the wackos fail to recognize or admit to is how the explosives found at Eagan's house were homemade, showing to the lengths that people will go to if they are unable to find the suitable destructive devices through a legal channel. Do any of you so-called reasonably intelligent persons really think that any of the incidents that have happened (Aurora, Tuscon, VT, etc...) would not have happened if guns were "outlawed"? That is a ridiculous argument at best and an extremely dangerous one (due to the side-effects) at worst.

79) Comment by mcBR - 14/12/2012

@Widdy Remarkably, we have evidence of what happens when someone trys the same crime but with a knife. In fact, it happened today in China: http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/story/2012/12/14/china-knife-attack-school.html . Guns are much more efficient, apparently.

80) Comment by IH8Mud - 14/12/2012

billynurse, the second ammendment does mention a militia however DMJ is also incorrect in that it is not specifically mentioned that the right to bear arms is solely for the purpose of a militia, as further explained by the Supreme Court. Even if we were to go further with the militia argument, nobody could infringe on the average person's right to own a gun because nobody could possibly forsee every scenario and argue that none would result in the need for the average person to be a part of their local militia. The chances of this may be small however the constitution does not allow for small, in this wording. The wording is absolute and finite and not open to interpretation by anyone except the Supreme Court, not even the President or Congress. It could only be changed by constitutional ammendment, which would have to be similarly clear and finite although the chances of this happening are extremely slim. So for all of the idiots that wish to try to push their personal opinions on us as to what the ammendment should be interpreted to mean (which is a failed argument, even to begin with), try going back to school to re-learn civics because you missed it the first time around.

81) Comment by Springer98 - 14/12/2012

How many guns were used on 9/11/01? How many commercial airliners have been hijacked since pilots have armed themselves & armed air marshals have been aboard flights? Any of you that feel so strongly against guns,either get rid of yours or don't buy a gun. Law abiding gun owners are not the people that you have to worry about, it's the criminals that will shoot you! No matter how illegal you make guns, they'll still have them! It is illegal for a felon to be in possession of a firearm, but they don't care, they have them anyway.

82) Comment by NearBarbarian - 14/12/2012

I am not equipped to plumb the depths of why someone would do this; nor do I want to be. I can only give my deepest, most sincere sympathy to the children, educators, and families enduring the chaos and grief that has been unleashed. I also want to honor the courage of those who acted to save lives during and after the shooting: students, school staff, and first responders.

83) Comment by crabby - 14/12/2012

We reap what we sow: country full of fast food franchises gives rise to obesity; country full of Wallmarks give rise to excessive plastic junk; country full of guns gives rise to . . .

84) Comment by crabby - 14/12/2012

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85) Comment by HRoark - 14/12/2012

A society that worships guns will have an endless stream of nutcases that go off and shoot a bunch of people at unpredictable intervals. When we mature beyond gun worship, the faithful will become the minority, guns will become less convenient than Mom's closet, and these things will happen less often. Guns are a status symbol, whether you're a self righteous sovereign citizen or deranged mass killer. They're the weapon of choice. Until we grow up as a society, guns will remain readily available, kids will get shot, and the gun toting peanut gallery will claim that if their teachers all had concealed weapons, this wouldn't have happened. Guns and God, preach that gospel until the next time folks!

86) Comment by Widdy - 14/12/2012

Listen, I am a gun owner but not a huge advocate for the right to own firearms. If owning guns were made illegal, there are numerious other avenues to carry out such attacks. The US has made it illegal to have, sell or use drugs but anyone who wants to have them, use them or sell them can very easily do so. OK, so guns are gone, what stops this guy from getting in a vehicle and plowing over a bunch of kids in front of the school or running them down while waiting at the bus stop. What stops this guy from getting a Bowie knife and entering a class and stabbing just as many 10 year olds. If a person has it in their mind to due such harm, it's not hard to do. We need strickter laws and much more severe punishments. But in America we are to civilized to have harsh punishments, we give criminals more rights than the average citizen.

87) Comment by billynurse - 14/12/2012

God, please be with us and with all those who suffered this day from the evil that this sick person did. Oh, DMJ, I knew that you(and Bloomberg, Obama, Pelosi, etc.) wouldn't miss this chance to spout your incomplete knowledge. It doesn't specify "militia", and for a reason. It was forseen as the citizen's defense against a freedom-destroying government. Do you think the Constitution's writers were listing hunter's rights? Guns are banned from civilians in Mexico, and how many thousands are being slaughtered every year. Gun laws/restrictions/bans ONLY affect responsible, law-abiding people. How about focusing on the maniacs this sick society produces. People have changed, not the guns.

88) Comment by DMJ - 14/12/2012

First of all, it specifically states this right is for the purpose of maintaining a well-regulated milita. Was this guy (or 99.999% of gun owners) in any kind of militia? No. Secondly, just because we have a right, doesn't mean there can't be limitations on that right when it comes to public safety. We have freedom of speech as well, but we can't commit perjury, can't threaten someone, can't engange in slander or libel, can't incite a riot, can't engage in espionage or treason, can't yell "fire" in a crowd, can't engage in fraud, etc. Thirdly, I'm not talking about repealing the 2nd Amendment; I'm simply asking those who love this Amendment (you, I'm guessing) admit that it is responsible for shootings. Not exactly a logical leap.

89) Comment by ABayouBoy - 14/12/2012

I feel for the victims, but the gun would probably have been acquired by illegal means. I'll pray for their families and friends, as well as those other students who were uninjured, who must live with their memories.

90) Comment by ABayouBoy - 14/12/2012

@DMJ, The right to bear arms is in the constitution. If you don't agree with it, tough.

91) Comment by DMJ - 14/12/2012

Right. Cause it's just as easy to kill someone with your mind. You don't really need the gun. Save the justifications. At least admit the truth: this is what the right to bear arms looks like. You won the battle, but you don't want to take credit for the negative consequences of it. You can't have it both ways.

92) Comment by ABayouBoy - 14/12/2012

Its the malign intent of the individual using the gun, not the gun itself. And, sometimes the weapons of choice are not always material, but rather forms of mental cruelty. Call him what you want, but he went off the deep end. Society and its ever more permissible and violent activities, combined with a lack of morality and ethics are really to blame. I'll bet that if this individual had had Christian values instilled in him from childhood, that this outcome may have been avoided. Although, his mother was most likely a loving and devoted person, and was also a Kinder garden teacher at the school. God Bless, but God also help America in these troubled times.

93) Comment by DMJ - 14/12/2012

In a country of 200 million guns...where anyone can get almost any type of gun for any reason, this is bound to happen over and over...which is why it does. People keep acting surprised every time this happens. Why? It's going to happen again. It's collateral damage in the fight to keep firearms legal and readily available.

94) Comment by mj6338 - 14/12/2012

robrockk: yours is the traditional knee jerk response; but you (or the many others who take this position) can never produce any empirical data to support your hypothesis. FFSHC's have repeatedly produced data showing that you're far more likely to kill a family member with your gun than an intruder. But gun ownership is an emotional issue replete with images of the talented Charlton Heston and Lee Greenwood singing "God Bless the USA". This makes us humans find it easy to give into emotion rather than thinking through things rationally which would lead to the correct conclusion. Yes, I know you must feel viscerally satisfied to know that you can kill an intruder, but the facts say you've been misled.

95) Comment by mj6338 - 14/12/2012

robrockk: yours is the traditional knee jerk response; but you (or the many others who take this position) can never produce any empirical data to support your hypothesis. FFSHC's have repeatedly produced data showing that you're far more likely to kill a family member with your gun than an intruder. But gun ownership is an emotional issue replete with images of the talented Charlton Heston and Lee Greenwood singing "God Bless the USA".

96) Comment by robrockk - 14/12/2012

If guns were illegal DMJ and mj6338, the only difference in this story would be where the shooter got his gun. We would still be reading about the horrible even because it still happens... with or without a legal weapon. But because they would be illegal, then my family and I would not be able to protect ourselves from people like this in our own home.

97) Comment by raised.on.robbery - 14/12/2012

While I don't believe that grown people being gunned down is any less tragic than small children, I can't help but start to cry when I read articles about this...the idea of this happening at an elementary school.

98) Comment by mj6338 - 14/12/2012

When will the self centered gun ownership advocates ever wake up ?? This today, the shootings at the mall in Oregon earlier in this month, the shootings in Aurora, Colorado last July, 32 killed at Virginia Tech, the shootings at Columbine; even President Reagan got shot by another nut with a gun. H-E-L-L-O !! People wake up !! I can see FoxNews right now saying guns don't kill , people do. But does it really make any difference ?? Where will the next shooting be ??

99) Comment by DMJ - 14/12/2012

I'm sure this had nothing to do with easy access to guns...