Letter: 'Reforms' weaken La. learning

Every child in the United States — regardless of race, gender, disability, their family’s wealth or status in the community — can go to public school from kindergarten through 12th grade. Public education has been society’s equalizer — it gives all children the opportunity to be educated and be contributing citizens to our great country.

Louisiana’s new voucher program is diminishing public school systems’ ability to provide necessary services for all students by diverting public funds to private and parochial entities under the guise of “choice.” Future state-sanctioned “course providers” will siphon resources away from public schools with little or no accountability to local school district governance. Research shows other cities’ voucher experiments do not improve student learning and leave behind many students with disabilities.

What’s wrong with giving parents a choice of where their children go to school under the current voucher program? The private or parochial schools that accept vouchers will not be held to high standards for students’ learning nor the taxpayer dollars they spend — if at all. A lawsuit by the Louisiana School Boards Association (LSBA), to be heard Thursday in the 19th Judicial District Court highlights our mission that locally elected school boards should provide public schools that are open to all families and reflect each community’s needs.

Louisiana already has a system of school choice through community public schools and charter schools. These schools are held accountable under federal and state law by testing students in grades 3-8 and high school each year. These test scores are used to assign school performance scores, district performance scores and letter grades to individual schools and districts.

Public schools across the state are facing declining revenues, teacher layoffs and midyear program cuts this year. Now the Louisiana Department of Education has created a bureaucratic log-jam because of its inability to project how many students will receive vouchers, whether these students have ever attended public schools and the statev has given local districts the burden of verifying student eligibility. Further, the agency has not been transparent about how it has chosen the voucher schools, many of which subsidize religious entities.

LSBA is not defending the status quo in our public schools. But we know what works: early education, high standards in core subjects, 21st century skills and college readiness, strong interventions for students who are falling behind, parent and community engagement, and highly qualified teachers and staff.

We need our elected officials to commit to ensuring that Louisiana has the best public school system available to all of its families and the infrastructure to support it — for the sake of our children and our state.

Scott Richard, executive director,

Louisiana School Boards Association

Baton Rouge


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1) Comment by bourbon-soda - 29/11/2012

@ tryben - all of the above (or, here, below).

2) Comment by Mildred Citizen - 29/11/2012

The voters reflected how they felt about their local school boards in this last election cycle by overhwelmingly adopting term limits for board members in every single parish in the state. The folks you represent, Mr. Richard, are not getting the job done. The system needs some shaking up and having public schools compete with private schools for students (and the money that goes with them) will help, I believe. I don't know what research you are referring to that says that vouchers are not improving learning outcomes. Most, but admitedly not all, research shows vouchers improve learning outcomes.

3) Comment by 1ryben - 28/11/2012

Sorry for the poor quote. But you get the point.

4) Comment by 1ryben - 28/11/2012

"Having everyone take the ACT is ridiculous, but the results should be revealing" Yes, the first half of this statement is true, but what will be revealed exactly? That many students aren't college material...duh. To say everyone should is ridiculous. Even if that we're possible, wouldn't that just eliminate any value that a college education holds? Would it reveal That some who do not want to go to college won't even make an effort because there is no consequence for the student if she does poorly? That the LADOE is wasting millions of dollars? Please, tell me, what will these results actually reveal?

5) Comment by 1ryben - 28/11/2012

"Minimum standards have hurt the worst" what a ridiculous statement. Any standard is a minimum standard. If I say you need to get at least a 99% success, that's a minimum standard.

6) Comment by Whatnow - 28/11/2012

Minimum standards have hurt our schools the most.

7) Comment by bourbon-soda - 28/11/2012

Can anyone support the statement in the article that "public education has been society’s equalizer?" If that's true, why the constant kvetching about inequality?

8) Comment by bourbon-soda - 28/11/2012

@Atilla - 1) Having everyone take the ACT is ridiculous, but the results should be revealing. I can't figure out to whom the idea would even occur, except maybe someone wanting to embarrass Louisiana and its public schools. Liberals can't oppose it, because of their mantra that a majority of the population belongs in college. 2) I agree with you and twinkle that anyone who voluntarily takes the king's or commissar's shilling should march to the king's or commissar's drummer and be held to the same so-called standards.

9) Comment by Attila - 28/11/2012

@Twikie: I have said before that I am thankful that you did not have chance to indoctrinate my children with your personal beliefs. Stop and think about your statement that private schools should be held to the same "minimum" standards as the public schools and should be measured accordingly. While I do not have a problem with that, you may be better off not getting what you are wishing for as the fact that public education is far inferior to private will only be confirmed for all to see. That would settle the argument for most, but not for all of you who envy the success of private education where students, teachers, and yes the parents are held accountable. Private and parochial schools do not teach to "minimum" standards....it is obvious that the public schools in EBR do...and half of them don't even measure up to that standard.,

10) Comment by bourbon-soda - 28/11/2012

To what extent does the prevalent idea that someone else is responsible for educating your children cause and exacerbate all those problems? The public schools are built on that idea, and it has been sold hard for at least 150 years.

11) Comment by teacherguy - 28/11/2012

Teachers have said from the beginning...okay, if you will take public money and give it to private school entities...give the parents the same measuring stick that is being applied to public schools. This way, if a child goes from a D public school to an F private school...parents will have this information. Those who say let parents make the choice...without equipping those parents with a valid and comparable measuring stick...are being short-sighted because it can take 2-3 years before parents realize their voucher school has been failing their child at a greater rate than the public school they "escaped". But here is a point most people are missing...voucher schools will not be a prevalent force in districts where they have strong percentages of education certified teachers and lower poverty rates of citizens (Zachary, Livingston, W. Feliciana, St. Tammany, etc.) I teach in one of these top tier parishes, and am ranked in the top 20% of teachers in the state, for a little less than $50k per year (with 19 years experience)...and if I were able to get $60/hour (mechanic's wages) for 8 hours per day, times 180 work days ($86,400)...I'd take my talents into St. Helena, E. Feliciana, or EBR. For that price I'd take the public criticism for low district performance scores armed with the knowledge (and a healthier bank account) that I can help those students to some degree...but like a mechanic blames the owner for not changing the oil as the reason for a busted engine...I'll blame the parents, poverty, and whatever else is "convenient" for the kids' poor test scores. I know...deep in my heart...that my lessons, and students, rank tops in the state when proper maintenance is being used outside of my classroom walls. As it is...many of my friends...some of the best teachers in this state according to the Value Added scores for teachers...are exploring ways to get out of this mess called LA education....and we are discouraging young people from making education a career...I'm not being negative...just telling you what is happening in the trenches. One more thing on unions...the highest education ranking states in the US have STRONG unions...what LA has is impotent...and that is being kind! Most LA teachers that belong to a union do it for liability insurance and legal help if/when we get sued or accused of something that could end our career (men, specifically). Y'all give unions way too much credit for fighting progress.

12) Comment by Scrooge - 28/11/2012

La ACT and SAT scores are some of the lowest in the nation and they include private school students. We now see what private schools can do and the results are dismal. this is not a public/private superior/inferior rich/poor dilemma, it is a Louisiana historical problem affecting the entire foundation of Louisiana social strata. BRHS has twice as many national merit scholars as all private schools in br combined. What evidence exists to support the assertion that private schools will do a better job of educating disadvantaged students? Fine get rid of public schools and put all students in taxpayer funded private schools obviously they will do so much better who needs evidence?

13) Comment by ScotB - 27/11/2012

On what evidence do you base your assertion that vouchers weaken Louisiana educational opportunity for students? Private schools are held to high standards by their customers - the parents of the students. I trust parents to make the best choice for their children. We've seen what the government can do, and it is dismal. Spending is not the entire equation, either. Zachary is the number one school district and spends $8750/pupil. Nearby Pointe Coupee spends over $10K/pupil and is one of the worst.

14) Comment by twinkie1cat - 27/11/2012

Creationism is not the worst of the stories they try to pass for science in the religious charters. That could readily be taught as history rather than science because viewpoints about God have a strong influence on world cultures. Plus the lack of knowledge of the theory of evolution could be repaired by adding a one semester remedial Biology course when the kids get to college to the developmental reading and math they will probably need. They also use curricula that teaches that the KKK was a community group that punished wife beaters and tried to restore morality to the community. They also indicate that the Trail of Tears that deprived Native Americans of their homelands was not a bad thing because many Indians became Christians along the way. And slaveowners did not mistreat the slaves. I seriously doubt many parents have actually read the curricula in order to make intelligent choices about these school and think black parents, in particular, would find much of it extremely offensive. Then there is also the issue of research based educational practices and age appropriate pedagogy which their so-called teachers know nothing about because they are not really teachers. You cannot make informed choices without being informed and I doubt that many charter school parents asked for or purchased the curricula being used and would never think to do so in the public schools. No Bourbon- soda a perverted version of Christianity is one that ignores the message of inclusion and grace that Jesus Christ taught and picks and chooses among verses in the Old Testament to apply to other people than oneself.

15) Comment by bourbon-soda - 27/11/2012

Parents' (or parent's) choice. Perverted version of Christianity: one I don't like.

16) Comment by Old Man Kensey - 27/11/2012

But, at least you didn't deny that there is indoctrination of kids into a perverted version of Christianity.

17) Comment by Old Man Kensey - 27/11/2012

Better liberalism than neo-conservatism. We can keep playing the lets call each other names that have no real meaning all day long... the original issues is that what is happening to our school system is not good by any measure...

18) Comment by bourbon-soda - 27/11/2012

The difference is the parents get some choice about the contents of the indoctrination. Better creationism than modern pseudoliberalism.

19) Comment by Old Man Kensey - 27/11/2012

You know, for the Republicans, who constantly whine about librawls indoctrinating kids with our schools. Using tax payer money to indoctrinate them to a perverted version of Christianity is a little over the top... wait.... Republicans do want to force rape victims to give birth and raise kids they never wanted... I guess nothing is over the top for you guys...

20) Comment by Old Man Kensey - 27/11/2012

Being Stupid, I would ask to borrow your crystal ball, but I see it is right about as often as Karl Rove... Are you confusing city life with rural life? Are you sure that every area in Louisiana has multiple stores around? I think not. And the question is not who am I to dictate what to teach kids. It is who is the governor to use tax payers money to teach kids foolishness. But, I do agree with one thing. Parents can teach their kids anything they want-- just not with tax payer money. They can send their kids to Sunday school. They can bring them to church. There are a whole lot of CHOICES for them that are free of expense to the state.

21) Comment by Whatchange - 27/11/2012

@DMJ;apologies, the article on "alternet.org" reads like your comment, but is not the same.

22) Comment by Whatchange - 27/11/2012

As usual, the United States is behind and Louisiana is further behind with it's backward thinking. Although there has been limited success in establishing government-financed school voucher experiments in the K-12 education system in the United States, the use of vouchers and voucher-like programs as mechanisms for enhancing parental choice in the education sector is common in many countries around the world.

23) Comment by DMJ - 27/11/2012

Don't engage Being Stupid. He's being ironic.

24) Comment by Being_Stupid - 27/11/2012

@Old Man Kensey, you are not that old. My dog is older than you. There is no 1 grocer in the free market. There are plenty of private grocery stores and private schools that compete for vouchers. If parents don't want creationism forced down their throats, they can choose a private school that won't teach it. Who are you to dictate what can and can not be taught? What about the parents that want their child to learn about creationism or a certain religion? As long as the essential subjects are taught (Math, English, Spelling, Literature, History, Science, etc.) and tested for via standardized testing, I could care less what other electives (Religion, Art, Foreign Language) are also taught by a particular school. It is not up to you or the ACLU or Atheist Movement to dictate to the Consumer what they will or will not learn. The Consumer makes the choice, not the Government Monopolized Producer.

25) Comment by Old Man Kensey - 27/11/2012

Not to mention, how is it that you support a plan that is "like food stamps" when the RW is so sure their is rampart fraud and abuse in that system? As an accountant, i see more red flags in the school voucher program. More money to waste and steal with no safeguards in place at all.

26) Comment by Old Man Kensey - 27/11/2012

Hey, being stupid, what happens when the local grocer is the only one in the area? Who is going to bus the kids? What happens when the parents don't want creationism forced down their kids throat? Where do they go? >>>>> this is just another example of Jindal tearing down the system we have and replacing it with nothing ( l8ke our hospital system). Wave the magic wand and poof, the market will fix it... just like it fixed the banking system. Just like it fixed global warming. Just like it fixed our levees... yea, trust in magic, wave the wand, and repeat three times... there is no place like reality.

27) Comment by DMJ - 27/11/2012

I actually didn't take that from any article...that I know of. While vouchers aren't necessarily bad, in Louisiana, I contend that their purpose is to defund and kill public schools while syphoning money to private (wink, wink, religious, wink) schools.

28) Comment by NearBarbarian - 27/11/2012

Great, informative letter.

29) Comment by Being_Stupid - 27/11/2012

8point6 makes a good point.

30) Comment by Whatchange - 27/11/2012

@DMJ; Hey I read that same article you took that from, pretty one sided. There are 12 states which use the "school voucher program" with the oldest of them starting in "1869". apparently something is working.

31) Comment by Being_Stupid - 27/11/2012

School Vouchers work like Food Stamps. The Private Market operates the grocery stores, not the Government. The Government does not micromanage or operate any Public Grocery Stores. Instead, the Government provides a voucher to the Consumer. If a Private Grocery Store does not provide quality food at fair market prices, then the Consumer will take their vouchers elsewhere. The voucher system takes the funding from the Producer and gives it to the Consumer. Only a Consumer can ensure accountability and quality product by the Producer, whether the product is for food or education.

32) Comment by Being_Stupid - 27/11/2012

Teachers Union Bosses = Democrat Party Elites = School Board Micromanagers = Government Bureaucrats = The Wall. We don't need their education. We don't need their thought control. All in all they are just bricks in the wall. Leave those kids alone.

33) Comment by Being_Stupid - 27/11/2012

Give Vouchers a Chance.

34) Comment by DMJ - 27/11/2012

"Louisiana’s new voucher program is diminishing public school systems’ ability to provide necessary services for all students by diverting public funds to private and parochial entities under the guise of "choice.' " That's the point. People act like this is some unfortunate consequence. It's not. Jindal isn't trying to save public education. He's trying to kill it.

35) Comment by Being_Stupid - 27/11/2012

Every child in the United States — regardless of race, gender, disability, their family’s wealth or status in the community — can also go to private schools via the voucher system. Furthermore the voucher system holds all parties accountable. School Administration, Teachers, Parents, & Student are all held accountable for performance. If the School or Teacher does not perform then they go out of business or get fired. If the parent and student does not perform then the student will get expelled. Vouchers hold all parties accountable and will work more efficiently than the current Teacher Union Boss Thought Control System, if given the chance. Unfortunately the Democrat Party Elites and Union Bosses have a lot of political power to prevent this education reform.

36) Comment by tradewinns - 27/11/2012

everyone knows the true problem with public education is the LACK of parental involvement. both sides are "painting the pig" because both are afraid to place the blame on the parents of "bad" students. the misbehavior of one student in a class stops the entire class from learning. teachers are not in authority in the classroom and the students know it. the students can pretty much do what they like and nothing is going to happen to them. a teacher can not motivate a student whose parents are not motivated to ensure their child takes advantage of every opportunity. a student believes their parents when they are learning to learn. if the parents don't think education is important enough to spend time with their kids on it, the kids recognize that. the pattern is set.

37) Comment by bourbon-soda - 27/11/2012

Their results.

38) Comment by bourbon-soda - 27/11/2012

Louisiana spent $11,200 per pupil annually in public education [http://datacenter.kidscount.org/data/bystate/Rankings.aspx? state=LA&ind=1457 ] so an average class with, say, 25 students had a budget of $280,000. If the teacher gets an optimistic $80,000, where does the other $200,000 go? Is it out of the question that someone besides the government should get a chance to do better with that money? Cite above also says that Cameron Parish spends about $20K per pupil. Are there results almost twice as good as the rest of the state? Sounds like a doctoral dissertation in there somewhere.

39) Comment by Old Man Kensey - 27/11/2012

Jindal's goal is to tear the systems down. Then we wave the magic wand of outsourcing and poof, in 10 to 15 years we will be back to where we started from.

40) Comment by rgeraldwallace@cox.net - 27/11/2012

Just more nonsense defending the status quo, i.e. always more and more money that winds up in the pockets of politicians, the teacher's union, and their sycophants. Enlarging it even further is not the thing to do. For the last fifty years there has been a steady increase in funding for public schools to a constant bleat of pitiable angst for the "teachers"; sadly the money never seems to wind up in the classrooms. At least private schools are accountable.

41) Comment by 8point6 - 27/11/2012

Nothing new here. Let's get a law passed that all property owners who choose to send their children to private/parochial schools, NOT pay property taxes for public education. That way, their taxes would not be used for vouchers. AND, with not having to pay taxes for public education, they would be better able to afford the tuition of the private schools. I'm paying seven different property taxes for public education. As is most other property owners, IMO.

42) Comment by spqr - 27/11/2012

@Whatnow...did it ever occur to you that many teachers do not like Piyush Jindal's reform because it is unfair, not only to teachers, but to students as well? Teachers are in the classroom every day and can measure the absurdity of it all while most know education reform only through the newspaper pages. This is not about toes being stepped on. This is about the entire public school leg being removed and still expected to win the Olympic race.

43) Comment by Traveler - 27/11/2012

Readers may wish to read the entire following article, which is also in today's The Advocate: Judge halts new voucher, teacher laws. Desegregation order in conflict. by HEIDI R. KINCHEN, Florida Parishes bureau, November 27, 2012, 6 Comments. A federal judge on Monday ordered a halt to implementation of the state’s new voucher and teacher hiring laws in Tangipahoa Parish, saying those laws conflict with court orders in the parish’s decades-old desegregation case. One attorney in the case said he will now file similar challenges to state Acts 1 and 2 of the 2012 Regular Session in “two or three” other desegregation cases in which he’s involved, and other parishes may follow suit. At least 30 school districts across the state remain under federal desegregation orders, including East Feliciana, Pointe Coupee and St. Helena parishes.

44) Comment by bourbon-soda - 27/11/2012

1) Freedom in Louisiana pubic schools = teddy bear raids looking for "zone jumpers" - http://theadvocate.com/home/3686219- 125/school-systems-taking-steps-to . Comments were deleted from that article. 2) Germany may have been the best educated country in the world when Hitler took over.

45) Comment by twinkie1cat - 27/11/2012

Whattnow: Jindal is a dictator in more ways than one. In particular related to Education he appointed to BESE a parochial school administrator (conflict of interest) and supported the campaign of a teacher who was part of a notoriously conservative non-union as well as the one of Chad Roemer, a lawyer, whose kids are in parochial schools (again a conflict of interest since his kids are not affected by the decisions of BESE but their schools can benefit from vouchers) over Donald Songy, the well respected, recently retired superintendent of one of the most highly rated systems in Louisiana, Ascension Parish. This was all done in order to get his conservative majority on BESE so they would push the policies Jindal wanted. The dictatorship goes on in other areas of government with his firing of Department heads and committee chairs who disagree with him and cutting money for non-profits that help the disadvantaged as well as his destruction of health care. He is even part of the secessionist movement and tried to spread gay hate in Iowa on our tax money! Additionally, John White is not a teacher. He is a Teach for America and has only 2 years over a classroom. He would not qualify to be a principal in a public school, much less State Superintendent. Jindal tolerates no dissent. That makes him a dictator although he has not committed acts of violence except on the jobs of hundreds of state employees. I don't think a politician in America could get away with what the President of Egypt pulled off last week although Jindal would probably like to. I am not at teacher who got her toes stepped on, by the way. My students were not subjected to standardized testing because most were classified as severely or profoundly mentally retarded. Most also had severe physical disabilities and 4 were low functioning autistics. No student I ever had did not make progress and I was never, ever criticized for my teaching ability. Even a racist teacher who hated me for teaching while white admitted that I was a very good teacher. She just was openly racist. She had serious connections in the system so she got away with it. With public schools there are many options, especially with the magnet schools and Montessori programs and some systems have "theme" schools. There could be more if our tax money was not being wasted on charters and privates with their selective admissions and high level of expulsions. But my children would not have been accepted at any of those schools. Their administration and teachers would not have known how to teach them or even think that they could learn. In some cases they would be turned off by their physical appearance as some regular education teachers and a couple of principals were. I believed in my students, had high standards and knew they could learn. So they did. Almost all were inner city children. I have a Bachelors degree in Special Education, a Masters in Severe Disabilities/ Multihandicapped and nearly an Ed.S. (That is higher than a Masters but less than a Ph.D.) I think I know of what I speak.

46) Comment by Whatnow - 26/11/2012

twinkie1cat, I cannot believe that you are blaming the failure of public schools on Jindal and calling him a dictator. Oh, wait, yes I can. You are a public school teacher that is getting her toes stepped on. With public schools there are no options. At least he is trying to give parents some of those options. Now that's progress, at least for the student.

47) Comment by Whatnow - 26/11/2012

Gee, I guess parents are just too stupid in your mind to choose a school that provides higher standards instead of minimum standards, twinkie1cat, public teacher. Who wants to pay tuition to a private school that has minimum standards? That's what got our schools in trouble to begin with, too much time and money spent on teaching the minimum standards. A lot of good that theory has done. "They are allowed to pick and choose their students and expel those who don't perform to their standards back to the publics". Well, gee, that's the point or they could do it the way it used to be done and just fail the student. Some parents don't want their children wasting time learning the minimum. Private or parochial schools sure wouldn't draw students that do pay tuition if their standards weren't higher than public school. Even the disciplinary standards are higher. What could be wrong with that? The parents want better than they've been getting in public school with so many students who don't care and disrupt the learning and dragging the schools down. And just because you say that private schools don't have to do something like hire real teachers doesn't mean they will not hire real teachers. The parents wouldn't put their children in those schools or stand for that. Private and parochial schools would not succeed without parent's approval. Parents pay a lot of money for their children's education in private schools. Do you think they would pay all that money for minimum standards? By using public schools we have had to settle for what we got, and it hasn't done the job. Our children are getting dumber instead of smarter. And it is about the children, isn't it?

48) Comment by twinkie1cat - 26/11/2012

Dictators take over countries where the people are uneducated. Bobby Jindal is as close as America can get to a dictator with these anti-school laws. The schools here have had problems for a while so the population is primed to be taken over and really, has been, by the dictators of the GOP

49) Comment by twinkie1cat - 26/11/2012

There are plenty of public schools for students to choose from. I think a child should be free to go to any public school in his home system and in some cases, out of system. All the schools that receive state money must be judged by the same minimum standards. As the voucher system is currently set up the charters, privates, and parochials not only are not judged in the same way as the publics but they are allowed to pick and choose their students and expel those who don't perform to their standards back to the publics. But the biggest travesty is not only that the charters don't have to hire real teachers or even Teach for Americas. They don't even have to hire people who have a college education! All these laws are is an effort to 1) oppress teachers who are known for speaking out and not being a particularly conservative bunch 2) support for profit businesses and conservative religionists who are issue voters and will institute measures such as biased curricula and religious training in schools at taxpayer expense 3) cut the budgets for education 4) show the GOP how conservative Bobby Jindal is so they will nominate him for president.

50) Comment by Scrooge - 26/11/2012

weaken education, and that includes higher education as well, without a foundation the entire edifice begins to crumble. Even the most greedy capitalist investor understands that gains require investment, and not only money but somehow that is lost or wickedly irrelevant to the terminally politically expedient