Obama, Romney trade jabs in debate

Feisty candidates give as good as they get

The final debate, Monday in Florida,  will be devoted to foreign policy.

An aggressive President Barack Obama ripped into Mitt Romney’s economic blueprint in a town hall-style debate Tuesday night, accusing his rival of favoring only a “one-point plan” to help the rich at the expense of the nation’s middle class. The Republican protested the charge was way off the mark.

The truth, Romney said, is that “the middle class has been crushed over the last four years.” It was the first of repeated highly charged moments of the 90-minute debate, the second of three between the two men precisely three weeks before Election Day in a close race for the White House.

The president was feistier from the outset than he had been in their initial encounter, where he turned in a listless performance that sent shudders through his supporters and helped fuel a rise by Romney in opinion polls nationally and in some battleground states.

Obama challenged Romney on economics and energy policy, accusing him of switching positions and declaring that his economic plan was a “sketchy deal” that the public should reject.

Romney gave as good as he got.

“You’ll get your chance in a moment. I’m still speaking,” the former Massachusetts governor said at one point while Obama was midsentence.

The open-stage format, with no physical objects between them, placed incumbent and challenger face to face and, when they chose, directly in each other’s faces. Their physical encounters crackled with energy and tension, and the crowd watched raptly as the two sparred while struggling to appear calm and affable before a national television audience.

The rivals disagreed about taxes, measures to reduce the deficit, energy, pay equity for women and health care issues — all in less than the first half of the 90-minute debate at Hofstra University.

One intense exchange focused on competing claims about whether energy production is increasing or slowing. Obama accused Romney of misrepresenting what has happened — a theme he returned to time and again. Romney strode across the stage to confront Obama face to face, just feet from the audience.

Both men pledged a better economic future to a young man who asked the first question, a member of a pre-selected audience of 82 uncommitted voters.

Then the president’s determination to show a more aggressive side became evident.

Rebutting his rival’s claim to a five-point plan to create 12 million jobs, Obama said, “Gov. Romney says he’s got a five-point plan. Gov. Romney doesn’t have a five-point plan. He has a one-point plan. And that plan is to make sure that folks at the top play by a different set of rules.”

“That’s been his philosophy in the private sector,” Obama said of his rival. “That’s been his philosophy as governor. That’s been his philosophy as a presidential candidate. You can make a lot of money and pay lower tax rates than somebody who makes a lot less.

“You can ship jobs overseas and get tax breaks for it. You can invest in a country, bankrupt it, lay off the workers, strip away their pensions and you still make money. That’s exactly the philosophy that we’ve seen in place for the last decade,” the president said in a scorching summation.

Unable to respond at length because of the debate’s rules, Romney said the accusations were “way off the mark.”

But moments later, he reminded the national television audience of the nation’s painfully slow recovery from the worst recession in decades.

There are “23 million people struggling to find a job. ... The president’s policies have been exercised over the last four years and they haven’t put America back to work,” he said. “We have fewer people working today than when he took office.”

Economic growth has been slow throughout Obama’s term in office, and unemployment only recently dipped below 8 percent for the first time since he moved into the White House. Romney noted that if out-of-work Americans who no longer look for jobs were counted, the unemployment rate would be 10.7 percent.

Both men had rehearsed extensively for the encounter, a turnabout for Obama.

“I had a bad night,” the president conceded, days after he and Romney shared a stage for the first time, in Denver. His aides made it known he didn’t intend to be as deferential to his challenger this time, and the presidential party decamped for a resort in Williamsburg, Va., for rehearsals that consumed the better part of three days.

Romney rehearsed in Massachusetts and again after arriving on Long Island on debate day, with less to make up for.

“The first debate was huge and we’ve seen our numbers move all across the country,” his wife, Ann, said before joining her husband in New York.

Asked Tuesday night by one member of the audience how he would differ from former President George W. Bush, the last Republican to hold the office, Romney said, “We are different people and these are different times.”

He said he would attempt to balance the budget, something Bush was unsuccessful in doing, get tougher on China and work more aggressively to expand trade.

Obama jumped in with his own predictions — not nearly as favorable to the man a few feet away on stage. He said the former president didn’t attempt to cut off federal funding for Planned Parenthood or turn Medicare into a voucher system.

Though the questions were from undecided voters inside the hall — in a deeply Democratic state — the audience that mattered most watched on television and was counted in the tens of millions. Crucially important: viewers in the nine battlegrounds where the race is likely to be settled.

The final debate, Monday in Florida, will be devoted to foreign policy.

Opinion polls made the race a close one, with Obama leading in some national surveys and Romney in others. Despite the Republican’s clear gains in surveys in recent days, the president led in several polls of Wisconsin and Ohio, two key Midwestern battlegrounds where Romney and running mate Paul Ryan are campaigning heavily.

Barring a last-minute shift in the campaign, Obama is on course to win states and the District of Columbia that account for 237 of the 270 electoral votes needed for victory. The same is true for Romney in states with 191 electoral votes.

The remaining 110 electoral votes are divided among the hotly contested battleground states of Florida (29), North Carolina (15), Virginia (13) New Hampshire (4), Iowa (6), Colorado (9), Nevada (6), Ohio (18) and Wisconsin (10).

Obama has campaigned in the past several days by accusing Romney of running away from some of the conservative positions he took for tax cuts and against abortion earlier in the year when he was trying to win the Republican nomination.

“Maybe you’re wondering what to believe about Mitt Romney,” says one ad, designed to remind voters of the Republican’s strong opposition to abortion except in cases of rape, incest or when the life of the mother is at stake.

Romney countered by stressing both in person and through his television advertising the slow pace of the economic recovery, which has left growth sluggish and unemployment high throughout Obama’s term. Joblessness recently declined to 7.8 percent, dropping below 8 percent for the first time since the president took office.

Romney also has stepped up his criticism of the administration’s handling of the terrorist attack against the U.S. Consulate in Benghazi, Libya, more than a month ago that resulted in the death of U.S. Ambassador Chris Stevens and three other Americans.

So far, the Republican challenger has not aired any television advertising on the issue, a suggestion that strategists believe it dims in importance next to the economy.

But the attack sparked one of the sharpest exchanges in last week’s vice presidential debate, when Ryan cited it in asserting that the administration’s foreign policy was unraveling and Vice President Joe Biden accused his rival of uttering “a bunch of malarkey.”

Biden also said that “we” had not been aware of a request for additional security at the facility, a statement that the White House later said applied to the president and vice president.

Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton said Tuesday she accepted responsibility for the level of security assigned to the consulate.

Associated Press writers
Julie Pace in New York,
Julie Carr Smyth in Columbus, Ohio, and Matthew Lee in Lima, Peru, contributed
to this story. Espo reported from Washington.


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Comments (16)


1) Comment by gvm - 17/10/2012

Debates don't really mean too much in my opinion - my mind has been made up since January 20, 2009. However, Romney looked exactly like what he is last night...a tired relic of the past. He was on the defensive almost all night and he got his clock cleaned. The fact that his surrogates are complaining about the moderator more than responding to the president's charges leads one to believe that they think Romney lost. His world view is so out of synch with reality his policies are doomed from the start.

2) Comment by Whatnow - 17/10/2012

I do have to agree, it was fun to watch.

3) Comment by Whatnow - 17/10/2012

Does Obama's Pension Have Money in the Cayman Islands? During one exchange tonight Romney stated that President Obama's pension had investments in China and the Cayman Islands. ROMNEY: Just going to make a point. Any investments I have over the last eight years have been managed by a blind trust. And I understand they do include investments outside the United States, including in -- in Chinese companies. Mr. President, have you looked at your pension? Have you looked at your pension? OBAMA: I've got to say... ROMNEY: Mr. President, have you looked at your pension? OBAMA: You know, I -- I don't look at my pension. It's not as big as yours so it doesn't take as long. ROMNEY: Well, let me give you some advice. OBAMA: I don't check it that often. ROMNEY: Let me give you some advice. Look at your pension. You also have investments in Chinese companies. You also have investments outside the United States. You also have investments through a Cayman's trust. ABC News' Luis Martinez and Jason Ryan have the facts: Gov. Romney is referring to President Obama's pension with the state of Illinois during his time served as a State Senator. Under Agreements or Arrangements President Obama's Dec. 2011 Public Financial Disclosure Report for the Office of Government Ethics lists the General Assembly Defined Benefit Pension Plan as the only holding under this category. It says "no further contributions by former employer," funding began in 1997. The pension is managed by the General Assembly Retirement System, State of Illinois. The main site for the fund's reports is HERE The FY 2013 First Quarter Purchase and Sales Report mentions holdings in Chinese companies among the pension fund's numerous investments. The Romney campaign says the Obama Illinois Pension fund has numerous private equity investments, including one domiciled in the Cayman Islands, the Advent International Group VI-A. An independent search for this fund turned up this filing with the Securities and Exchange Commission for an investment opportunity by this fund. It lists the Advent International GPE VI Limited Partnership as being organized in the Cayman Islands. Other filings only list this particular fund's Executive offices as being listed in Boston, Mass. http://www2.illinois.gov/isbi/Pages/Investments.aspx

4) Comment by Step It Up - 17/10/2012

@ Whatnow, Well in that case Romney's lies continue to hurt him. DMJ, I agree with you, because at this point the majority of everyone already knows who they will be voting for, so why even bother. Entertainment at its best.

5) Comment by ABayouBoy - 17/10/2012

@Whatnow, are you sure that Pres. Obama was the one telling the "lies"?. Mr. Romney has made a fortune short-changing the middle income investors in his bank. Mr. Romney is the one who "speaketh with a forked tongue". You want proof?. Hook Mr. Romney up to a lie detector and ask him why he won't divulge his "tax haven assets" in the Caymans. Talk about deflecting the question...

6) Comment by Whatnow - 17/10/2012

No Mr. Smartguy..... then Obama should have just given his same old stump speech without the questions. His answers hurt him more than helped him.

7) Comment by DMJ - 17/10/2012

Debates are political theatre. You just start following politics?

8) Comment by Whatnow - 17/10/2012

Well, DMJ, he didn't answer very many questions. I loved the answer on the gasoline prices. It was like campaign speeches where there are no questions.

9) Comment by DMJ - 17/10/2012

Imagine that....someone in campaign mode in the middle of a campaign. Crazy.

10) Comment by Whatnow - 17/10/2012

Obama was clearly in campaign mode. No substance at all. Just more deflecting and lies.

11) Comment by WhoCares - 17/10/2012

i dont think it was a clear winner either way. I do know that Mitt was served a softball for a last question and completely whiffed. Obama in turn nailed it. The kid that asked how can you "guarantee" me a job made me want slap him. What a dork. I can confirm that my health insurance rates have not decreased by 2,500 dollars. That is the most ridiculous claim of all time. Everybody on here needs to prepare themselves for rate shock. I do feel like the Chinese who watched the debate last night were laughing at the "get tough on China" claims. Politicians are great. There were a couple really fantastic staches in the crowd last night. I also hope that the American public knows that a youtube video did not lead to the murder of 4 americans.

12) Comment by Being_Stupid - 17/10/2012

@DMJ, Obama not only killed the debate, he also killed our economy.

13) Comment by Being_Stupid - 17/10/2012

Romney won again. Only this time MSNBC does not want to admit it.

14) Comment by DMJ - 17/10/2012

I thought President Obama killed it! Even though he obviously "won" (whatever that means), I predict Republicans will complain about the questions and the moderator. When Democrats lose, they blame themselves; when Republicans lose...they blame everyone else. Just watch. Comments proving my point to follow. That being said, I still don't think debates can have that much of an impact at this point. I mean...honestly...who doesn't already know who they're voting for?

15) Comment by markedwardmarchiafava - 17/10/2012

This would be about the same as a soon-to-be rape victim watching two potential assailants fighting over her.

16) Comment by ABayouBoy - 17/10/2012

A very interesting debate. To me, humorous in many cases. The economy is on the minds of everyone nowadays. But, the rest of the world is going through similar pains as well. China seems to be doing the best, but, do you really want to work for a bowl of rice?. What we must now realize, is that the economy cannot continue to grow at a record pace, as in the past. Birth controls, such as in China must come to pass in the US and an equilibrium established between supply and demand. The world is simply getting too small now for continued population growth and the Earth resources are not limitless. By the way, which candidate was putting the "cart before the horse"?. It's not allowing tax breaks to the business sector with the resulting "trickle-down" benefits to the "working class" that drive the economy, and new jobs. But, its tax breaks to the middle class that increases their buying power that truly drives our economy. There is too much money in big business nowadays, they pay less in taxes than I do (percentage wise), and the gap between the upper wealthy and middle class is at an all time high. The middle class American needs some representation in Washington for everyones best interests.