La. aid proposal targets private schools

New rules could involve vouchers

State Superintendent of Education John White spelled out proposed new rules Friday for private and parochial schools to get state dollars, which could affect the quality of schools that qualify for voucher students.

The key change would allow non-public schools that are accredited by one of two independent groups to get the state’s seal of approval for five years.

Other private and parochial schools would face varying levels of state scrutiny that is supposed to be less laden with red tape and better aimed at judging the quality of the school’s leadership and instruction.

“We can reduce administrative redundancy and allow educators to focus on educating,” White said.

The changes will be considered by the state Board of Elementary and Secondary Education on Tuesday as part of its October meeting.

White discussed his proposal during an hour-long webinar with school leaders and reporters.

Under current rules, 359 of Louisiana’s 376 private and parochial schools enjoy state approval, which means they can collect state aid for transportation, textbooks and their students can qualify for a college scholarship called TOPS.

All the school reviews are generally treated the same, and the Department of Education collects considerable paperwork on the schools and conducts audits.

However, arguments about the quality of some of those schools erupted earlier this year when officials began implementing the state’s expanded voucher program.

Nearly 5,000 low-income students who attended public schools rated C, D and F qualified for state and local tax dollars to pay for tuition and mandatory fees at private and parochial schools this year.

However, some lawmakers and others raised questions about the space, curriculum and standards at a handful of the 117 private and parochial schools that qualified for voucher students.

Schools that do so collect an average of $5,300 per student from the state.

White said last month that the schools should undergo closer scrutiny before they get the state’s seal of approval. He noted on Friday that the new rules would apply to all non-public schools, not just those that get voucher students.

“Parents are making the choices about these non-public schools, as they have for generations,” White said.

The superintendent said that 240 of 359 private and parochial schools approved by the state are accredited by a third party.

“That means they are going through a rigorous review process of their practices by organizations outside of the government,” White said.

At the top level, he said, are schools accredited annually by the Southern Association of Colleges and Schools or the National Association of Independent Schools.

Those that do so, he said, would get a five-year seal of approval from BESE.

Schools accredited by other third-party groups would submit that approval to the state and, if it meets requirements, would be good for one year of state approval.

White said schools that lack accreditation by non-governmental groups will face online surveys from state officials to assess school leadership, teaching, curriculum and academic standards.

Gov. Bobby Jindal and other voucher backers — they call them scholarships — said the aid will allow students to escape failing public schools.

Opponents say that vouchers are an unconstitutional use of state and local tax dollars and have challenged the law in the 19th Judicial District Court in Baton Rouge.

A hearing is set for next month.


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1) Comment by 1ryben - 14/10/2012

@Dawson, you'll get no disagreement with your argument from me. I am neither a pachyderm nor a donkey (I used the biblical term for donkey and my comment got banned, sorry). I was pointing out the flaw of zaealer99's shifting of the blame to the other party because they didn't field a viable candidate to oppose Jindal. S every time Jindal lies, deceives, BREAKS THE LAW! It is someone else's fault. Doesn't the Republican Party constantly tout personal responsibility? Well, in THIS case, Jindal and HIS administration are being quite the weasel

2) Comment by 1ryben - 14/10/2012

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3) Comment by Dawson - 14/10/2012

@1ryben...I heard that they had to pass the bill before they could read it and see what was in it. Then all of the talks were going to be on CSPAN to guarantee that this would be the most transparent administration in history. Plus, they are going to post every bill online for a few months for everybody to read before the vote...oh wait...wrong administration.

4) Comment by Traveler - 14/10/2012

ScotB: one more point. I'd really like to agree with you that the teacher unions have had an impact on public education in Louisiana, but it just ain't so. Can you cite one law that they've been successful, on their own, in pushing through the legislature in recent memory? Can you cite one anti-public education law that they've been successful in stopping, on their own, in recent memory? Neither can I. Louisiana has two potentially strong teacher unions----the Louisiana Federation of Teachers and the Louisiana Association of Educators. The fact is, they've fallen pray to the old political stratagem, "Divide and conquer." They're too busy competing with one another to be a real force for change in this state.

5) Comment by Traveler - 14/10/2012

ScotB: you don't know American history or the history of public education very well. The first law establishing public education in this country was the Old Deluder Satan Act, passed in Massachusetts in 1647. It mandated that every township having 50 or more families must support a public school for the teaching of simple core subjects, plus the Bible. Public education has a long, honorable, and successful history in the United States and turned out generations of people well-prepared for work or higher education. What has changed in our own generation is not the school but the home----the family----the basic unit of our society. Our inner city children are being reared today by parents who are little more than children themselves. There is no accountability for parents, and so many of these homes are dysfunctional or downright broken. Whether we support traditional public schools with our tax dollars or allow the Jindal administration to send our tax dollars to private schools, unless we develop a way to hold parents accountable rather than basing the teachers, nothing is going to change.

6) Comment by ScotB - 14/10/2012

As public education has become more ineffecctive, private schools have flourished. Public means government. Government means unions, secularism, cronyism, inept administration, etc. We had universal government funded public education and when government ruined the objective, it lead to the creation of a privately funded alternative. You can expect exactly the same thing to happen in government funded universal health care. As the health care system supported by the government becomes inept and over crowded, there will arise another health care system for those who can afford to pay for it. Concierge medicine, medical tourism, strictly private hospitals. Our health care system will devolve into haves and have nots. And like our education system, it will become self perpetuating. Once we go down that roads, it will become nearly impossible to turn back.

7) Comment by Iamhopeful2 - 14/10/2012

The Pelican Institute and Stand For Children now often referred to as sources by John White himself in his Louisiana Believes missives seem to know the skinny on everything. They make make a great suppository (oops - I mean depository) of information for White as they are not subject to public records laws. I wonder if they can be subpoenaed by the courts??!

8) Comment by spqr - 14/10/2012

John-boy is Piyush's political cell mate.

9) Comment by civitasiveritas - 13/10/2012

John-Boy... this is not news. The fact that you are not holding private and parochial schools to any real accountability is not new. Nor is it news. We all remember. Parents choosing public schools need all kinds of information, letter grades, school performance scores, teacher "value added measures" that are patently indefensible as valid... yet when that same parent "chooses" to put their child in a private or parochial school,. they automatically "know a good school" without any accountability whatsoever? Can you say, "hypocrisy?" All these commenters need to give John-Boy a break, though. He has a mission: stay in his position a little longer, then move back to Virginia and set up his race for the U.S. Senate. Yes, John-Boy. We know about your plans. They have nothing to do with improving education for students... you are already planning your exit strategy, leaving behind all your sycophants who will "muddy the narrative" and hide the truth so you can make your race for Senate. It's not happening John-Boy. Your lies are going to do you in. You know, White lies.

10) Comment by 1ryben - 13/10/2012

Sorry zealer99, the ineptitude shown by White is not the fault of the Democratic Party. The lies told by White are not the fault of the Democratic Party. The lack of transparency promised by Jindal is not the fault of the Democratic Party. Your argument holds no water. We ask the tough questions of those actually IN office. Those in office are responsible for these atrocities. It would be like blaming Obama's shortcomings on McCain.

11) Comment by zealer99 - 13/10/2012

"Education is too important to fart around with politics" "They" have been doing that for over 50 years, why stop now? During the last governor's election, only about one third of the eligible voters made the effort. Maybe the Democrats who chose not to vote and why the Democrat party did not encourage people to vote, they could have some so without supporting any particular candidate. Ask the Democrats the hard questions.

12) Comment by Traveler - 13/10/2012

To 1ryben: you are so right! To The Advocate: there would not have been a Watergate story if there hadn't been a Woodward and a Bernstein. "The Pelican Brief" would not have been an award-winning book and movie without the main character of journalist Gray Grantham. C'mon, guys----you're supposed to be the heroes!!!

13) Comment by 1ryben - 13/10/2012

When will The Advocate ask the tough questions? What is The Advocate and/or its journalists so scared of? Quit taking the easy road! Stand up for what is right. Jindal promised transparency. Well, where is it?

14) Comment by 1ryben - 13/10/2012

"Other private and parochial schools would face varying levels of state scrutiny that is supposed to be less laden with red tape and better aimed at judging the quality of the school’s leadership and instruction." So why not do the same thing to public schools? Instead, with the constant testing, VAM, SLT, Compass, and many more, public schools have MORE red tape than ever before.

15) Comment by twinkie1cat - 13/10/2012

What is to keep these schools from forming their own approval group made up of a board including only schools from its group? To be righteous they should have to be approved by the same groups that approve the public schools, namely SACS. This would ensure that the charters actually serve an educational purpose and are not simply extensions of some right wing religionists' Sunday School. The Jindal administration must be held to the fire. Education is too important to fart around with politics and deny what could easily be a whole generation of children who are functionally illiterate, have never experienced a class with a real teacher, and think that the dinosaurs rode along on Noah's Ark. We need a real Superintendent of Schools to supervise the charters----a teacher with at least 2 degrees in Education and 10 or more years in the CLASSROOM, fireproof with an ironclad contract, and willing and able to stand up to Jindal in order to straighten out this awful mess.

16) Comment by mcarter - 13/10/2012

As a parochial grandparent, I don't want anymore government dollars. Would rather pay more tuition.

17) Comment by mcarter - 13/10/2012

As a parochial grandparent, I don't want anymore government dollars. Would rather pay more tuition.

18) Comment by timesright - 13/10/2012

It is obvious again that John White has absolutely no interest in helping the public schools in Louisiana. His interest lies in providing money to the private and parochial schools. His interest lies in protecting his own behind. His interest is destroying public education. Remember when he was in NYC his main job was to close schools and find locations for charter schools. In doing so, the charter schools were and still are often housed in the same facilities where students already attend the public school. John White is not a leader. He has been causing a disaster that could have been prevented.

19) Comment by Traveler - 13/10/2012

To The Advocate editorial staff and reporters: it would seem that the people who are commenting regularly about unfolding events from the State Department of Education have more knowledge than you do. Your articles are shallow----you're not asking the obvious questions and you're accepting canned answers. Yet yours is the ONLY professional in our country that is protected by the United States Constitution! The Founding Fathers knew that with YOU lies the vital responsibility of discovering the truth and telling that truth to the public. You can take the "low road" and be a mouthpiece for news releases from the State Department of Education, or you can take the "high road" and ferret out the "story behind the story." If you follow the easy path, you'll please the current administration and make no enemies in exalted places. If you take the hard path, you'll make lots of influential people angry----and you'll live up to your noble calling. The choice is yours.

20) Comment by Jack_Cause - 13/10/2012

The new public relations team is hard at work. This looks like a blatant attempt to avoid the June 12, The Associated Press request for state Department of Education records involving how schools were chosen to participate in the voucher program. According to The Advocate, White told an AP reporter that the records request would be fulfilled in September. It’s now October. He still has not released the records. Is the press going to let him get away with this? Under current rules, 95% of Louisiana’s private and parochial schools enjoy state approval. What are the current rules? It looks like John White is trying to muddy up the narrative and take the heat off of Penny Dastugue who said, “The Department of Education has an obligation to inform the public about changes that impact public education.”

21) Comment by Traveler - 13/10/2012

So now John White wants to allow private and parochial schools to "reduce administrative redundancy (Don't you love that obscure term?) and allow educators to focus on educating" Wouldn't it be swell if he were to afford PUBLIC schools the same benefit?! Our public school administrators are swamped with paperwork as well as meetings that they themselves describe as unnecessary; sometimes, the same tasks in central offices overlap the job descriptions of several employees, in order to satisfy the State Department of Education. Our long-suffering and wonderful teachers are overwhelmed with paperwork and after-school meetings as well. Be careful about announcements like this from White's office----there's always more than meets the eye. Be assured: there's some scheme brewing here.

22) Comment by Bouncer - 13/10/2012

When is someone in charge going to admit that that punk is waaaay out of his element and simply does not have the experience or credentials to do the job he was hired to do?

23) Comment by 1ryben - 13/10/2012

Shouldn't this have been done BEFORE the program began and we already approved the theft of millions of dollars from the MFP?