Our Views: Don’t gut public TV

During his recent debate with President Barack Obama, Republican presidential nominee Mitt Romney said he would propose eliminating federal support for the Public Broadcasting Service. Romney said that in challenging times for the federal budget, such support is no longer practical. U.S. Rep. Bill Cassidy, a Baton Rouge Republican, said he also supports eliminating federal funding for public broadcasting.

We disagree.

This newspaper is owned by a media company that also includes a commercial broadcast station. We believe in the promise of commercial television, but we also know that there are some forms of programming the marketplace cannot easily support. That’s why public broadcasting was born, and that’s why public television has continuing relevance in the 21st century.

Romney mentioned his personal affection for Big Bird, the beloved “Sesame Street” character that’s been a staple on PBS stations for years. But Sherrie Westin, a “Sesame Street” executive, said the show gets very little funding through PBS. Instead, the children’s show is supported mostly through corporate sponsorships, product sales and donations.

So, Big Bird might survive under Romney’s vision of public broadcasting. But other pubic television shows, such as “Frontline” and “Antiques Roadshow,” might not fare so well if federal support for PBS were reduced or eliminated.

Rural stations depend more heavily on PBS for support. Without federal funding, many of those stations would probably go off the air, diminishing the reach of public television’s educational programs. In a nation that desperately needs to expand educational opportunities for its citizens, public television is a vital source of knowledge. Gutting support for public television would save a negligible amount of money in the federal budget, but America would be much poorer if PBS weren’t around.

Why do we need PBS when hundreds of commercial TV channels are flourishing, and the Internet promises a wealth of information with the click of a mouse? We need PBS in a commercial media universe for the same reason that we need public libraries in the same communities as bookstores — to nurture ideas that, while useful to our democracy, are seldom going to make a cash register ring.

We’ve seen what happens when so-called “educational” commercial channels emerge to offer instruction in history or science. All too often, in the search for ratings, they resort to gimmicky “reality” shows and dubious assertions to appeal to the mass market.

The public television model, which depends on a mix of viewer contributions, corporate underwriting and modest government support, gives programmers the latitude they need to create shows in which education remains the primary goal.

If government has a role in supporting schools and universities, then it certainly has a role in supporting educational television, which is an effective and economical way to spread learning. We would also like to think that political conservatives, the most frequent critics of federal support for public TV, would have a natural sympathy with the wholesome, family-friendly programming that dominates public TV’s prime-time schedule.

In 2011, the federal government spent about $430 million to support the Corporation for Public Broadcasting, an agency that directs funds to PBS, National Public Radio and various other stations and programs connected with public broadcasting. That amounted to .00012 percent of the federal budget last year. Eliminating federal funding for public TV would have almost no impact on the federal budget, but it would have severe consequences for those who are committed to using television as a light of learning.

Proposals to reduce or eliminate federal funding for public television are a distraction from the real challenges of the federal budget deficit, which are more deeply connected to big-ticket programs such as Medicare.

That’s where the debate about the direction of the federal budget should focus, not on Big Bird.


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Comments (61)


1) Comment by nimby? - 16/10/2012

two questions ; 1) the number of household watching PBS on a daily basis . 2) the peak number of households to watch a show , I'm guessing the Ken Burns civil war ..

2) Comment by InPVille - 16/10/2012

@DMJ: If we are ever going to get the spending and debt equation to something sustainable, all of those things are going to have to looked at equitably, with sound judgement, and compromises worked out.

3) Comment by DMJ - 16/10/2012

Serious cuts...like $716 billion that goes towards insurance companies and hospitals through Medicare Advantage, that is cut through the dreaded Obamacare? The same serious cut that the Romney/Ryan ticket has been hammering the Obama campaign on? Serious cuts like those? How much does the CPB get in federal subsidies again? 1/2 of 1 billion? Right. Or how about cuts in subsidies to oil companies? Or making capital gains rates equal income tax rates, which would raise billions/year? No, no, no...we can't tough any of that stuff....but because we're fiscally responsible, we're going to cut the $.5 billion that the CPB gets. This isn't about deficits or debt...it's about the culture war. Conservatives have been told that PBS and NPR are liberal news outlets, so they want them gone. Let's at least be honest about what we're talking about.

4) Comment by InPVille - 16/10/2012

I meant "?"

5) Comment by InPVille - 16/10/2012

DMJ: "This is a distraction issue at best." -[**]- Your argument only points out why there is no progress in reducing debt. If it can't be agreed upon to cut even the smallest appropriation, how is it going to possible to make a beginning at serious cuts.

6) Comment by HerbF - 16/10/2012

Ok, I'm a Democrat. I'm going to vote for Obama. But, I would vote to cut funding for PBS as well. Actually, I would also like to eliminate aguricultural subsidies as well. Times have changed.

7) Comment by DMJ - 16/10/2012

We're not "broke." We're in debt. There's a difference. "Broke" is when you're not taking in any more money...which we are. And eliminating CPB won't make the smallest of dents in our national debt or even our yearly budget deficit. Not even close. This is a distraction issue at best.

8) Comment by Sandy - 16/10/2012

Very few of these comments have anything to do with the article. It is simple. We are broke. Therefore we can't fund "Antiques Roadshow" or "Sesame Street". It doesn't matter if Big Bird is a lefty or a righty.

9) Comment by Whatnow - 16/10/2012

Cutting spending is something that needs to be done until our country is economically sound again. Even the President said that there needs to be belt tightening. Cuts have to be somewhere and of course, there will be those who will be affected and disappointed. Maybe if our government would quit investing in green energy failures and countries that want to hurt us, there would be more money for the needs. Like the Rolling Stones sang, "You can't always get what you want, but if you try sometimes, you get what you need." Needs should always outweigh the wants. I just feel that there are other needs more important right now.

10) Comment by InPVille - 15/10/2012

@jedleland: "In fact it works like most insurance schemes work in which more people pay into a large pool and fewer receive benefit when they are eligible legally to do so in the case of SS. . ." -[**]- Only problem with the validity of your point is the pool paying in is decreasing and the pool of those being paid too is increasing. In 1950 the ratio was 16 to 1. Today it is 2.? to 1. And the given birth rates and life expectancy increases the ratio will continue to decrease. And this is from the SSA not as you charge from Fox. http://www.ssa.gov/policy/docs/ssb/v66n4/v66n4p37.html "Due to demographic changes, the U.S. Social Security system will face financial challenges in the near future. Declining fertility rates and increasing life expectancies are causing the U.S. population to age. Today 12 percent of the total population is aged 65 or older, but by 2080, it will be 23 percent. At the same time, the working-age population is shrinking from 60 percent today to a projected 54 percent in 2080. Consequently, the Social Security system is experiencing a declining worker-to-beneficiary ratio, which will fall from 3.3 in 2005 to 2.1 in 2040 (the year in which the Social Security trust fund is projected to be exhausted). This presents a significant challenge to policymakers." Also FICA deductions go into the general fund and spent and IOUs put into the trust fund. Don't believe me. Do some research of the Treasury documents here: http://fms.treas.gov/mts. The September Figures contain the annual amounts. -[**]- @jedleland "As for social security nothing ponzi about it as it’s a tax not a voluntary contribution" True! However, This distinction was already pointed out in my post. So you gain no points here. -[**]- The Ponzi reference comes not from Fox News but from 1976 Nobel Prize in economic science winner Dr. Milton Friedman http://www.hoover.org/publications/hoover-digest/article/7523 The Biggest Ponzi Scheme on Earth - - "Taxes paid by today’s workers are used to pay today’s retirees. If money is left over, it finances other government spending—though, to maintain the insurance fiction, paper entries are created in a “trust fund” that is simultaneously an asset and a liability of the government. When the benefits that are due exceed the proceeds from payroll taxes, as they will in the not very distant future, the difference will have to be financed by raising taxes, borrowing, creating money, or reducing other government spending. And that is true no matter how large the “trust fund.” The assurance that workers will receive benefits when they retire does not depend on the particular tax used to finance the benefits or on any “trust fund.” It depends solely on the expectation that future Congresses will honor promises made by earlier Congresses—what supporters call “a compact between the generations” and opponents call a Ponzi scheme." - - - - - It is one thing not to care for solutions to problems with the SS System offered by your political opponent. But pretending there is no problem and waiting until when the problem can no longer be ignored and the solutions are more severe only makes the problem worse and is a disservice to future generations.

11) Comment by Being_Stupid - 15/10/2012

Time has finally come for Big Bird to fly on his own.

12) Comment by Chucky - 15/10/2012

Today I revived a message not from Bigbird but from his provider saying that I can get a free phone with 250 FREE Minutes and FREE Text each month and for just $30 more UNLIMITED Talk, Text, & Web. Now if I get Medicaid I am in ( accepted, such a nice word) or SNAP ( Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program), or Supplemental Social Security ( not the same as Social Security) Temporary Assistance to Needy Families (TANF) or , Federal Public Housing Assistance Program (Section 8) or Low-Income Home Energy Assistance Program (LIHEAP) Or The National School Lunch Program Free Lunch ( can be on all or a combination or but one will do ) Plus for no charge you get No Annual Contract A Voicemail Account with Caller ID and you get to keep your current home or cell number ( that was a kicker for me) Part of a Federal Lifeline Assistance Program (nice name).... 250 min To call Help or to Text Help and voicemail for when they reply. No I can not apply for one , but heck if I do not want that plan. Sorry for the long list, and I mean really sorry.

13) Comment by jedleland - 15/10/2012

You got that right all these tea party clowns were happy as larry when debts were racked up under Reagan and Bush not a word of complaint. We sure like dropping bombs on brown people but its one brown person in particular that got the far right teabaggers riled up and as long as that Kenyan muslim is there theyll be frothing at the mouth. Most of the annual trillion dollars you hear about is not caused by new spending by but the same spending coupled with much lower income thanks to a very big recession. If your dad loses his job and you still have to pay a mortgage and power bill then your debt is going to go up even if your mortgage and power bills are the same. add to that putting two idiotic wars on the credit card and the tax cut for the rich and you’ve got a real mess and big bird is your problem? the right wing buffoons were all upset about big bird back in the 80s and 2000s too even when trillions were spent on unfunded wars and tax cuts. they said PBS was all liberal and lefty but couldn’t point to why or show examples. Still the same today I guess. what baloney. Your brown man might well be out of a job in November or he might not but it doesn’t matter the trillion dollar defecits will continue and even Ryan cant predict a balanced budget for another 30 years remember when Clinton had a surplus and a 10 year debt payoff projection? me too and then those fiscally responsible republicans took over the white house and it all fell apart any complaints from the tea party all those years? Not a peep. phonies and dupes all of them. Remember when they were called the religious right? How about the moral majority before that? the same dupes every time angry old (usually) white people blaming those welfare queens and big bird. Dupes.

14) Comment by Spudaroonski - 15/10/2012

@The_Host it is a drop in the bucket but what is not a drop in the bucket and what no one ever wants to talk about or address is the Bush tax cuts continued by Obama by the way which cost $250 billion a year in revenue.The wars in Iraq and Afghanistan added another $300 billion a year in unfunded expenditures.The Wall Street crash which destroyed 8 million jobs in six months led to a total of $350 billion a year in lost tax revenues and increased expenditures for the unemployed.The bailout/stimulus rescue of the economy cost an additional $300 million a year for two years. These are the big ticket items. So if it were not for Wall Street’s greed, our unnecessary wars of choice, and tax cuts for the rich we'd be very close to a balanced budget. And it could be done without cutting the social safety net. So all this discussion about the need to cut funding for public broadcasting is pure unadulterated ***** We cry that we can't go on spending for unnecessary things but we always seem to have the money to drop bombs on brown people. Always have the money to invade other countries and never leave. It really is comical to be putting so much emphasis on that big bad economy wrecker called public broadcasting. Too funny.

15) Comment by The_Host - 15/10/2012

Notice it is always just this little puny fraction of the spending when we talk about cutting a program. Just like it is always just a little itty bitty sales tax increase, only .25% Then when we go to cut it all heck breaks loose and in no way can we afford to live without it even though we can't afford to pay for it. We have been .00012%ed to death to the tune of $16 TRILLION and counting. Big Bird is just one of the many that needs to be off welfare. 100/.00012= 833,333 on in simply terms for you less than literate types we can only afford 833,333 big birds no matter what you call them. And granted BB is a little drop in the bucket compared to some real big spender programs. But like Biden kept saying its a Drop in the Bucket repeatedly during the debate. I wish Ryan would have asked Joe just how many drops can go in the bucket till its overflowing? Less than 16 trillion DROPS in the bucket I assure you. The problem is we have to many high dollar programs and thousands and thousands of others we have no clue about that are all drops in the bucket. Eventually all these drops add up to a flash flood.

16) Comment by nimby? - 15/10/2012

once again leaving the subject . Obamacare , the HCA is based on the premise that cost will go down because more people will be forced to participate . automobile insurance is mandatory , yet an estimated thirty percent drive uninsured . is mandatory insurance enforceable ?

17) Comment by nimby? - 15/10/2012

there is no such thing as free , someone is going to bear the cost . I don't watch a lot of tv but I do enjoy a number of programs on PBS and make a yearly contribution . I also enjoy watching baseball . my provider allows me the option of additional channels where I can watch to my hearts content , at an additional charge . most of the country now watches tv by either cable or satellite . providers offer different packages based on viewership , cost . certain channels cost more to provide . the cost is shifted to the viewer . I'm not sure how this affects public broadcasting . I do have a number of friends who work for LPB , I'll ask them .

18) Comment by jedleland - 15/10/2012

The ponzi scheme analogy is useless and straight from the laziest fox hack, kinda like insisting that the media is government controlled. really ruins the credibility of someone making that case. anyway no I didn’t remember incorrectly one dippy poster insisted obamacare was a ponzi scheme in what looked like a drunken post that let out their inner cranky old reactionary that theyd been laboring (unsuccessfully) for a long time to conceal under a thin veneer of post partisan hippy coolness. As for social security nothing ponzi about it as it’s a tax not a voluntary contribution based on promised riches resulting from investments. The only thing they share is a mechanism of paying returns as you go which conservatives should love as its at least for the foreseeable future revenue neutral. In fact it works like most insurance schemes work in which more people pay into a large pool and fewer receive benefit when they are eligible legally to do so in the case of SS its hitting a certain age, while in the case of Allstate its having a wreck. Ponzi requires fraud or its not by definition a ponzi scheme any more.SS is a tax funding a defined legal benefit so cant be illegal. Ponzi also usually promises above average rates of return as SS is not invested and return is based on prior income and contribution then it fails in that regard as well. SS is a very basic program and as long as workers outnumber cranky old people who hate the government but love government money then it can remain liquid for decades to come as the payments are very modest and can be adjusted as can contribution rates as they should be. SS is not subject to rising provider costs like medicare for instance. I know it all sounds great on fox but it fails completely as analogy. By the loose definition that money is forced out of taxpayers hands to pay for other current recipients then about every governmental taxed funded function is a ponzi scheme. I pay taxes for tanks and bombs to be bought today but I have no hope of ever receiving my own bomb or tank so must be a ponzi scheme. Same for every other government function. It’s a very feeble and dishonest description.

19) Comment by InPVille - 15/10/2012

@jedleland - 10/15/2012 "i heard obamacare was a ponzi scheme once. saw it on fox and friends. fair and balanced" -[**]- You are probably misremembering. It is Social Security that has been compared with a Ponzi Scheme. Both are pay forward. The money invested in Both are not invested to be able to pay out to ongoing investor but used to pay current recipients. Both reach their end times because eventually the number who are owed something for their investment cannot be met by monies coming in from the number of those paying into the scheme. For example, where once there were dozens paying into Social Security for every Social Security recipient, there are now fewer than two paying into the system for every recipient. The main difference between a Ponzi Scheme and Social Security is that you have to volunteer for the Ponzi Scheme. The government mandates participation in Social Security and Congress has done nothing in the decades since the problems became known, which was really before SS went into effect, to produce a permanent solution to place the system on a firm footing.

20) Comment by ScotB - 15/10/2012

One of the more liberal commentators earlier suggested we also get rid of the subsidy for oil & gas companies. I am OK with that, too. He described it as "big oil" even though the vast majority of those tax incentives go to small, independent operators. I am still OK with that, as well as getting rid of farm subsidies. Like PBS, they are all good programs within limits, but like most federal programs have grown excessive & wasteful. And we are broke. As I said earlier, every discretionary dime the federal government spends is borrowed. Our kids and grandkids cannot affford this largess. It is time for the American people to make tough choices so that we can leave a better life for our posterity like all our previous generations did. We are taxing the GDP at historically high levels, so the problem is spending, not how much we are taxing. Entitlement spending plus interest on our debt is now more than all federal revenues. There are no dollars available AT ALL for discretionary spending. We are going to have to reform entitlements and it is going to be a hard road for many of us. That's reality.

21) Comment by twinkie1cat - 15/10/2012

The reason that the Republicans want to destroy public television is because it is free to any viewer that tunes in. It is not making money for their political donors. It also helps the poor. Many an inner city child has learned to read watching Sesame Street. PBS also teaches values that children need to learn, like honesty and cooperation without shoving conservative religion down their throats. And it touches on delicate topics like AIDS and homelessness, things Republicans want to tell us what to think about them. In other words, it shapes minds and values and encourages critical thinking, something the Republicans in Texas and other conservative states don't want people to do. Commercial educational TV is interesting and good but is a lot more flashy and some of the commercials are of questionable value, especially the ones for a hair remover called NO NO of all things. Of course Republicans don't want to support PBS. It does not make money for them. If nothing else, the support of PBS should be increased so they would not have tho have those annoying begathons every few months.

22) Comment by jedleland - 15/10/2012

here ill get you started i found this on that series of tubes witha simple google search "According to a newspaper for PBS insiders called "Current" (not a conservative publication), writer Louis Barbash watched the "NOW" program and found that of the 19 segments Moyers did on the Iraq war, only four included a guest or interview subject who supported it. In one nine-minute segment about the burden the war has brought to military families, the contrary point was just a 41-second sound bite from Rep. Duncan Hunter, California Republican, saying that hard-pressed families receive help from neighbors and family members, as well as government. In only one of those 19 segments, writes Barbash, did anyone offer a substantial defense of the war." this piece is from very fair minded Cal Thomas so the soruce is unimpeachable. joking aside its an actual case driven with evidence albeit a bit flimsy but better than anything ive seen yet. now extrapolate such anecdotal evidence over months or years and over several different shows on the same network and you ahve something more substantial that might look like a pattern. see what you can do, cranky old men!

23) Comment by jedleland - 15/10/2012

now ill try again is there anyone ELSE who can come up with PBS/NPS actual evidence of systemic entrenched left wing bias (should be easy as its on air 24 hours a day and controlled by Obama himself personally via his iphone) i showed how easy it is to find evidence of fox news hackery and there are loads more of those so how about NPR/PBS. i also tried to find out about those tax hikes that Obama has managed to inflict only on republican small business owners and i couldnt find any foxnation has a damming list of 21 new taxes obama has imposed on americans including business owners and more than half dont even take effect until at least 2013 and the others tax things like 'indoor tanning services' tell you what he's wily that kenyan not only does he control the media he has the IRS figure out how to tax reactionary and right wing buisienss owners only! there msut be an IRS form where you have to identify yourself as such i guess either that or some people just spout whatever garbage they hear on obama-controlled foxnews. they report you decide.

24) Comment by jedleland - 15/10/2012

i heard obamacare was a ponzi scheme once. saw it on fox and friends. fair and balanced

25) Comment by jedleland - 15/10/2012

aah the unions to blame yet again if only they werent involved! ive never heard them blamed for the mooching of those they represent. it wasnt me it was them they FORCED me, honest! as for media bias i asked for an example and i got a quote from an opinion article that subverts the very point made talk about weak beer like i said phil could do better. as for moochers we all know who they really are old people and most all of them end up taking much more than they ever gave especially those who have a public pension that never decreases or expires and medicare to boot for years and years no matter what expenses they incur and no matter how much or little they ever contributed. does obama stil control the media? i bet he does

26) Comment by Sandy - 15/10/2012

The Advocate really thinks that Antiques Roadshow should be a high budgetary priority when our country is $16,000,000,000,000.00 in debt? That simply amazes me. I don't know what else to say.

27) Comment by nimby? - 15/10/2012

on another thread I was taken to task for "changing the subject" . to answer ; teachers' benefits are a result of union negotiations . you asked for an example , provided without using the FN word . and I have no problem with de-funding of moochers , especially those who continue to take without ever contributing .

28) Comment by jedleland - 15/10/2012

i copied this example from elsewhere but its very illustrative of waht real subtle media bias looks like and hiow it can be used each and every day. An Example of Fox News Bias A while ago, a majority of California voters approved Proposition 8 - an initiative banning gay marriage in the state. Recently, a judge ruled that Prop. 8 was unconstitutional and could not be used to forbid gay marriage. At the Fox News website, an opinion poll was presented asking whether people agreed with the judge's ruling. A simple, unbiased poll would have given something like the following choices: 1) Yes, it's unconstitutional. 2) No, it's constitutional. 3) Undecided. However, below are the options as Fox worded them: 1) "Yes -- Prop. 8 violates the Constitution." 2) "No -- Marriage is an institution between a man and a woman. I don't care what the judge thinks about the Constitution." 3) "I'm not sure but shouldn't the voters views count for something?" 4) "Other (leave a comment)." As you can see, the choice agreeing with the judge is unbiased. However, there are issues with the next two choices. There is no choice saying one believes Prop. 8 is constitutional. Those who don't like the judge's decision are offered the choice of saying they don't care whether or not it's constitutional - they oppose gay marriage regardless of constitutionality. Fox leads people who are uncomfortable with gay marriage to vote against the judge by starting the choice talking about traditional concepts rather than about law. Fox invites people to express opposition to the judge on a basis different than the actual issue in the case (constitutionality). It shows us something about Fox - they're comfortable with suggesting the Constitution should be ignored when it interferes with conservative policies. After all, this is the wording Fox chose to use; they didn't have to explicitly mention indifference to the Constitution. They could have worded the second choice as "I believe it's constitutional" or "I oppose the ruling" without the additional remark about not caring about the Constitution. That would have been simpler, shorter and more directly about the ruling. Fox specifically chose to include something about the Constitution not mattering. Although Fox considers it a reasonable choice for the poll to say "I don't care what the Constitution says, I oppose gay marriage", they don't consider it worth giving a choice "I don't care what the Constitution says, I support gay marriage". That's not an irrelevant point of view. The current court ruling is not the final say in the matter. The case will probably go to the US Supreme Court. If the Supreme Court rules Prop. 8 is constitutional, whether you still support gay marriage is of importance. Fox doesn't want to know how many people support gay marriage, only how many oppose it. It's kind of like having an election poll with the choices "I think the Democrat will solve the country's problems" and "I will vote for the Republican". Such a poll attempts to lower the count for the Democrat by requiring more than the fact you plan to vote for him. Meanwhile the same restriction isn't put on the count for the Republican. Fox's third choice begins as if it means "undecided". However, it ends suggesting one is leaning towards keeping Prop. 8 because it prevailed in the election. Although the fourth choice ("Other") could be used by people who wanted to give a simple "Undecided" - Fox has made it more difficult for them to do so. Certainly, there will be some individuals who will believe any ballot proposition that wins should be maintained as law regardless of any other legal considerations. However, it's doubtful Fox takes that approach. Suppose, Californians had approved a ballot proposition saying the California National Guard would not send its members to the current war in Iraq. Suppose, a judge ruled that proposition was unconstitutional. Would Fox give an opinion poll choice saying "I don't know whether it's constitutional, but shouldn't the voters' views count for something?" For that matter in the Iraq example, do you think Fox would give the second choice as, "I believe the war is wrong and we shouldn't send Guardsmen. I don't care what the judge thinks about the Constitution"? Both Fox's second and third choices in the gay marriage poll avoid the question of whether Prop. 8 was constitutional and presents other reasons for opposing or doubting the judge's decision. Conservatives on the Supreme Court tend to portray themselves as strict Constitutionalists. If Fox is not so concerned about whether a law is constitutional, does that mean Fox considers conservative strict Constitutionalism to be misguided? Or does Fox advocate strict Constitutionalism when it gives the answer they want? Fox News isn't a high school newspaper. They have no reason not to know how to present an unbiased poll. When they have a poll that is this flawed, it's not by accident. The bias is a choice. It's also worth noting that below the poll questions Fox noted this was not a scientific poll. This is true. It is not an accurate way to judge public opinion for at least two reasons. First, it is difficult in a web poll to prevent people from voting multiple times. Even if a website allows only 1 vote per user ID or IP address, a person can have multiple ID's or addresses. Second, a web poll doesn't get a random selection of the population. It only gets those people who use the internet and those who go to the kinds of websites that do polls. And in the case of the Fox News site, presumably those people who choose the Fox site are more likely to agree with Fox's slant. Now what about similar NPR bias examples? you can find dozens and diozens of these chapter and verse with date citation and video clips galore on the interwebs for foxnews and jon stewart on teh dailuy show holds them up almsot every night. what about NPR/PBS? come on reactionary codgers, what have you?

29) Comment by jedleland - 15/10/2012

last year fox news had to provided three on air apologiers for misleading viewers with right-wing deceptions that were identified by third party sources. They involved using WSJ editorials and RNC talking point memos as 'facts' without citation while sean hannity had to apologise for using misleading old footage to make a tea party rally look bigger than it was but that was a couple of years ago. in the last 6 months steve doocy on fox and friends had to apologise on air about an obama quote he partially fabricated and more recently was caught referring to a talking points memo called the RNC 'pundit prep' he'd been given on air. this is what you call evidence of media bias even though some knuckleheads think obama controls the media which i suppose must also inlcude th etop cable news channel right? now does anyone ELSE who actually knows what they are talking about have ACTUAL evidence of PBS on air political bias? ive heard about it for years but i cant find any on antiques roadshow or lawrence welk.

30) Comment by jedleland - 15/10/2012

so a column by david carr is the evidence of political bias? even though the quote includes a caveat that the assumption is ture only 'to a point' and in fact there is no overt political agenda and the assessment is based on 'sensibility'? what a joke man. next you'll be saying the media is run by the obama white house, oh wait. come on man, phil could do better.

31) Comment by jedleland - 15/10/2012

oh, i forgot the ...

32) Comment by nimby? - 15/10/2012

In a recent column by The New York Times’s David Carr, NPR’s political slant is treated as a foregone conclusion. It’s “true to a point” that NPR is guilty of “squishy liberal ideology,” Carr wrote. “In terms of assignments and sensibility, NPR has always been more blue than red, but it’s not as if it has an overt political agenda.”

33) Comment by jedleland - 15/10/2012

the point being people who make a long living off the taxpayer directly, including benefits that exceed most every private sector job for decades and then enjoy a pension from that work that is more generous than any 401k and never runs out no matter how long you live and almost always exceeds how much you put into it (meaning other taxpayers are on the hook until you finally decide to die) might want to think twice before putting on their cranky old codger hat. keep you government hands off my money (that has all come directly from the taxes of others for years and years and years and years and years...and will continue to do so) you get the point. if you want to complain about a list of expenses you ahve to pay for make sure youre not on that list yourself, readers.

34) Comment by jedleland - 15/10/2012

as for what taxpayers are forced to fund ive noticed a very large chunk going to public schools and teacher salaries and benefits, including a defined pension plan that is more generous than any defined contribution plan or 401k ive yet to come across seems to me that would be a great place to start chopping as we all know old people are the number one drain on taxpayer contributions. freeloaders. why should we all have to pay a salary for teachers for 30 years and then give them defined pension for decades after which far exceeds what they ever contributed and then medicare on top of that when they hit 65? moochers. nothing but moochers. you worried about the budget and the taxpayer and the debt? take a look at the paw paws and see where the real money goes. parasites! oh and black children too.

35) Comment by jedleland - 15/10/2012

someone show me concrete evidence of political bias on npr dont worry if you ened to find it just google fox news and they can provide all sorts of 'evidence' for you

36) Comment by InPVille - 15/10/2012

@DMJ: On PBS and NPR "They provide a public service, which is why they're publicly funded." -[**]- All televison broadcasters have government imposed public interest requirements and not just PBS and NPR: http://transition.fcc.gov/Bureaus/Mass_Media/Notices/2000/fcc00345.pdf "One of a television broadcaster’s fundamental public interest obligations is to air programming responsive to the needs and interests of its community of license."

37) Comment by nimby? - 15/10/2012

publicly funded radio/television should show no political bias ....

38) Comment by nimby? - 15/10/2012

food , clothing , shelter , roads , schools , libraries , parks , sidewalks , bike paths , health care , transportation , housing w/cable , cell phones , the internet , day care , television/radio programming , etc. somewhere there is a list of what taxpayers are supposed to provide for the "benefit of society" . it keeps getting longer ....

39) Comment by DMJ - 15/10/2012

If PBS was beholden to corporate interests (if it was advertiser- funded), it wouldn't be PBS, now would it? Same with NPR. They provide a public service, which is why they're publicly funded. The CPB is one of the best investments our country has ever made.

40) Comment by rgeraldwallace@cox.net - 15/10/2012

If Public TV needs government money to flourish, why are people getting rich on it?

41) Comment by Chucky - 15/10/2012

I enjoy some PBS programs, that is why i donate, not why i pay taxes.

42) Comment by agagent - 15/10/2012

Big Bird has millions in his bank account. He is in better financial shape than our federal government.

43) Comment by gofigger - 15/10/2012

Sink or swim

44) Comment by Triple - 15/10/2012

Believe Romney's point was if we are borrowing money from China to cover obligations, then those obligations need to be re-evaluated and PBS was only an example because of the moderator's connection. IMO, better example would have been related to borrowing and aiding middle eastern countries that want to harm America.

45) Comment by potkcalb - 15/10/2012

The point that I've been trying to make is that Romney is not advocating cutting funding for PBS because its funding makes a significant difference but because its a vote getter.

46) Comment by Cousin Dave - 14/10/2012

PBS has outlived its usefullness. I have more than 200 channels on my cable box, and wouldn't miss PBS if they pulled plug on it.

47) Comment by Triple - 14/10/2012

Subsidies and tax incentives seemed to be used interchangeably.  Big oil gets similar tax incentives as other manufacturing, which encourages behavior, which benefits the economy.  Alternative energy receives true subsidies and as of yet, have not materially benefited our economic growth.  Fossil fuel tax incentives amount to ~ 65 cents per megawatt.  This incentives encourages exploration and manufacturing producing long term income streams for the federal coffer.  Spitballing here, last time I looked, solar energy investments and incentives cost us ~ $700 per megawatt produced, with virtually no return on our investment.  Big oil companies aren't "subsidized" but they do benefit from reasonable "cost of operations" deductions,  afforded to many other industries.

48) Comment by InPVille - 14/10/2012

Well Suparoonski I can at least agree that it is a bad idea to borrow money from China to subsidize big oil.

49) Comment by Spudaroonski - 14/10/2012

Like I said before. If we can't afford to fund public broadcasting then we can't afford to subsidize big oil. Can I get an amen from all my fiscally responsible conservative brethren?

50) Comment by Whatnow - 14/10/2012

@waynemitchell, I agree. Thank you. PBS will not die without government funding. Controlling the spending is a major issue. Romney was right. We need to stop borrowing from China at all costs. China is manipulating its currency to gain trade advantages.

51) Comment by ultimateliberal - 14/10/2012

Excellent article, but the last two paragraphs diminish the value of the editor's purpose, if, in its tone, appeared to support PBS as a necessity that deserves public support. Why is this about politics instead of about providing quality TV for everyone who chooses it?

52) Comment by waynemitchell - 14/10/2012

I think it is rather dishonest to claim that cutting the funds would 'gut' public tv. Public TV should tighten it's belt like everyone else is having to do and to increase public support. I'm glad I've learned which way the Advocate leans before I wasted money on a subscription. Thank You.

53) Comment by prbeav - 13/10/2012

potkcalb, I appreciate the comment that I was not clear. Let me try to be clear (not easy).>>>>Humankind has evolved such that typical parents do not understand the monumental gap between birth and psychological maturity (often unattained in the typical 80 years life) and thus are not qualified to be parents; neither do the newborn's grandparents (4 chronological adults) understand. They were never educated to this issue.>>>>Thus, the problem lies with humankind, which needs to reform its system of education to emphasize helping the infant achieve the highest psychological maturity the infant's natural limits will allow at the earliest chronological maturity. In other words, behave wisely at the earliest age.>>>>Leftists want to take over and direct failed lives and rightists want to hold individuals responsible for their failures--diametric opposition. The middle ground is to change the system so that humankind does not produce so many lives destined for failure.>>>>In a sense, this notion follows the guideline that when there is a mishap, 85% of the problem lies with management; in this case management is humankind.>>>>By considering, promoting, and practicing the preamble to the US Constitution, America could lead the way. Let me hear this kind of leadership from PBS, and I will encourage their support. As long as I think they are leftist, I discourage their support.>>>I hope this helps.

54) Comment by InPVille - 13/10/2012

Big Bird is just a metaphor for the real problem. Everyone says some government spending needs to be reduced or eliminated. But everyone wants it to happen somewhere else rather than to his/her own favored program. Try to reduce anything and there is push back. So for the most part nothing gets cut or only the rate of increase changes. But total spending is always more and almost always more than revenue will allow.

55) Comment by potkcalb - 13/10/2012

My, my I don't think there is anything that I could say that would stem the tirades against PBS. No publicly funded programs should be sacred. For a start how about cutting funds for programs that are clearly not justified. For example House members, both Democrat and Republican, sent a letter to Leon Panetta supporting the decision to produce more tanks at a phenomenal cost although the army has indicated that it has more than enough to meet any national emergency. What impresses me about PBS is not political bias but the quality of their programs. I did not understand some of prbeav's complaints about PBS, but I respect his even handedness about not watching PBS of FOX.

56) Comment by prbeav - 13/10/2012

I have tried to watch PBS but get driven away by my bias. My bias starts with the notion that each newborn human is, quoting H.A. Overstreet, “ignorant . . . irresponsible . . . inarticulate . . . a creature of diffuse sexuality . . . self-centered . . . to a world of isolated particulars.” Second, the parents of each newborn share the duty to support their offspring in personal quest for understanding and ethical behavior. By ethical behavior I mean justice and do not mean morality, which implies conformance to doctrine.>>>>In my efforts to support PBS, I have earned the opinion that their management holds a concern for those in society who are disadvantaged relative to others and assume that there are unjustified inequalities that should be reduced or abolished.>>>>For example, Jim Lehrer, in my opinion, blatantly favored Obama in the recent debate with Romney.>>>Publicly funded media should be fair and neutral, and PBS is not. Therefore, let them find their own funding.>>>>For the opposite reasons, I do not watch FOX News.

57) Comment by jdk944 - 13/10/2012

Blah, blah, blah. Yes, we know Advocate. EVERYTHING is sacred when it comes to being funded by the taxpayer. NOTHING can be cut because it's ALL to valuable and important. Let's all repeat, "The Government is my big brother. We NEED everything they provide. We can't do anything on our own."

58) Comment by potkcalb - 13/10/2012

I don't quibble with your reasoning ScotB that PBS, like any government supported program, adds to the deficit. It's the hypocrisy of citing PBS, informative and educational television, where virtually no savings can be realized rather than the innumerable programs where significant reductions of the national budget could be obtained. We both know that he picked on PBS because he thought it would appeal to the mass of voters who not only watch shallow and mindless network drivel but resent PBS.

59) Comment by ScotB - 12/10/2012

Oh yeah, thanks Bill Cassidy. Thank you very much!!! Balance our budget, please!!!

60) Comment by ScotB - 12/10/2012

Federal funding is a small part of PBS's budget. The funding is a miniscule part of the federal budget, but added with a lot of other funding that is not a necessary function of the federal government, it's a lot of money. Money we do not have. We are out of money. Every dollar the government spends in discretionary spending is borrowed. Every dollar. If we can find money for PBS without borrowing it, fine. Otherwise, cut it! Our kids and grandkids need to be unburdened by a crushing national debt more than we need Frontline, Antiques Roadshow, or Bill Moyers.

61) Comment by potkcalb - 12/10/2012

Romney is well aware that federal funding for PBS is inconsequential and that cutting funds for it will have virtually no effect on the federal budget. Considering that Romney is an educated person there is no doubt that when he watches television it is PBS. There are many federally funded programs that could be cut that would have a significant effect on reducing the debt. Threatening to cut PBS is an appeal for votes from the masses who spend their time watching the garbage and trivia on network television.