Pharmacists appeal new rules

Advocate staff photo by HEATHER MCCLELLAND Shawn McGee, center, next to Bill Nielsen, right, speaks out  Wedneday against new Medicaid reimbursement rules that independent pharmacists claim will put them out of business. A standing room only crowd showed up to protest the changes that went into effect last week as part of budget cutting efforts. Show caption
Advocate staff photo by HEATHER MCCLELLAND Shawn McGee, center, next to Bill Nielsen, right, speaks out Wedneday against new Medicaid reimbursement rules that independent pharmacists claim will put them out of business. A standing room only crowd showed up to protest the changes that went into effect last week as part of budget cutting efforts.

Lawmakers join opposition to cuts in Medicaid reimbursement

Legislators joined community pharmacists Wednesday in pushing the Jindal administration to scrap new Medicaid reimbursement rules, which they said threaten the health care providers’ businesses.

Opponents asked state health officials to cease using the rules and go back to the drawing board on proposed budget reduction measures. The sometimes fiery public hearing attracted more than 200 people.

“We ought to roll back to what it was because this is not working,” said Peter Wolfe, a pharmacist from Chauvin. “You are punishing us. We need to be rewarded for the job we are doing.”

“You are telling us that what we do is worth zero profits,” said Nikki Hollier, of Hollier’s Family Pharmacy, in Breaux Bridge.

“I don’t think you can expect these folks to keep losing money every day,” said state Sen. Bodi White, R-Central.

State Department of Health and Hospitals Undersecretary Jerry Phillips, who got the brunt of the angry words, said all suggestions for change would be taken into consideration. But he said he could not promise to roll back the reimbursement rules “because of the budget.”

DHH’s budget requires a $56 million savings in the pharmacy roll. The reimbursement change is part of the cut plan.

But Phillips said: “We are going to work with you.”

“Jerry, you have been doing this long enough. You know this is a pile of crap,” shouted Robert Toups, a retired pharmacist from Cutoff.

Later, DHH Secretary Bruce Greenstein, who was in New York speaking to a health care reform group, said in a telephone interview: “There’s no reason to change ... They are asking us to pay them more than chain drug stores for doing the same thing.

“If their (financial) data is so compelling and it makes sense in the overall scheme, we can make some amendments to the rule, but it’s got to work out for the benefit of taxpayers and it’s got to help us balance the budget,” he said.

Under the new policy, DHH is reimbursing for the average acquisition cost plus $10.13 per prescription. The independent pharmacists said they have to pay far more than the average cost that DHH has affixed to the drugs included in the program. Chain pharmacies can use prescription drugs as a loss leader because they are big stores with more products to sell, they said.

The pharmacists said officials relied on bad information from their financial advisers in setting the policy as well as average acquisition costs of drugs. They said special circumstances that exist with independent or community pharmacies have not been taken into account.

“The change in reimbursement gives them some fear” that DHH is trying to achieve the entire $56 million savings from the one policy change, said Randal Johnson, president of the Louisiana Independent Pharmacies Association.

DHH held the public hearing to get feedback on the rule as well as to update the pharmacists on changes to plans that move pharmacy coverage management into Bayou Health, the state’s private insurance based health care delivery system for the poor.

DHH executive assistant Calder Lynch told the crowd that the changeover would not occur until Nov. 1 — about a month later than anticipated.

State Sen. Ronnie Johns, R-Sulphur, said the five legislators in the room favored rolling back the reimbursement rule with DHH working with pharmacists on a revision to be implemented Nov. 1 along with Bayou Health changes.

“Why can’t you roll out the whole thing at the same time,” Johns asked.

State Sen. Fred Mills, R-St. Martinville, said pharmacists helped DHH develop policies that have driven the prescription drug program costs down — from $554 million in net expenditures in 2010 to $450 million in 2012 — an $83 million savings.

“This legislative group here hears you loud and clear,” Mills said. He said pharmacists are saying, “I can’t take it any more. I’m done.”


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Comments (9)


1) Comment by zealer99 - 14/09/2012

This would be just another article if it were not so tragic. Most of the locally owned grocery stores are gone because the big chain stores grew up and undercut the prices of the locally owned grocery stores. The same thing happened with service stations, farms, dry goods stores, and then there is Walmart. Locally owned pharmacies are going to be a thing of the past in a few short years and I really do not see anything that can change that direction. What happens when there are just a few large corporations, each specializing in their own line of products and services with very little competition? I doubt if there will be much support for price flexibility, there wasn't with the consumer when we started buying products from foreign sources because they were cheaper.

2) Comment by dday198 - 13/09/2012

Being_Stupid, good handle for you.

3) Comment by dday198 - 13/09/2012

other than the governor driving them out of business they got everything else that they voted for.

4) Comment by TommyRucker - 13/09/2012

What they want is 'special', why should they be paid more of my money because they have a higher overhead than the chains??? Their complaint is the main reason health care is so expensive in this country as we are paying for things that taxpayers do NOT need to pay for as we cannot afford them. It is past time to start consolidation of health care services (across the board) as we cannot afford to pay people like these pharmacies MORE simply because they have a higher overhead. Unfortunately in America health care has gotten to be to much of a 'business' and when that happens you get people like these wanting to be paid more by the taxpayers because they have a higher overhead. We need to start consolidating health care across the board as we have to many of these operations (with high overheads) and we cannot any longer afford it. People in the health care business with these high overheads need to adjust or get in some other business as this is what happens when you get more and more into socialism-you cannot afford what these pharmacies are demanding!!!!!

5) Comment by beans&cornbread - 13/09/2012

To be fair though, the necessity of these cuts to the Medicaid program cannot be placed solely on the shoulders of the Governor. A sizable portion of the lost Medicaid revenue is a result of a change in the demographics of Louisiana after Katrina. But our governor has refused to accept ADDITIONAL federal Medicaid funding and has provided billions of dollars in tax cuts to corporations. These partisan and political decisions by our Governor has and will continue to results in hundreds of people losing their jobs and will force many small business to close their doors. This article is a perfect example of that.

6) Comment by beans&cornbread - 13/09/2012

It looks like our Governors tax policies are finally catching up with him. Yesterday it was 200 jobs being lost at Ormet (even after providing the company a $1m tax break and a $1.5m loan) and today it’s news of impending closures of our independent and local pharmacies. Thanks Mr. Governor!

7) Comment by Being_Stupid - 13/09/2012

These pharmacists used to be able to overcharge for their medicine because the Government via the Taxpayer was paying the bill, not the Parasite Consumer on Welfare, Medicare, or Medicaid, etc. As long as taxpayers were paying the bill, these pharmacists could overcharge well above the average price for medicine that in an otherwise free market without government intrusion the consumer would go elsewhere because the prices were well above average.

8) Comment by Being_Stupid - 13/09/2012

Free Medicine and Socialism is great until you run out of taxpayer money.

9) Comment by Get Real - 13/09/2012

Hey you voted for Piyush so be quiet and take what he is giving you. You thought he was going to put certain people in their place and he is YOU.