Letter: Protect the Boy Scouts of America

The Supreme Court, in a majority ruling on June 28, 2000, stated that the Boy Scouts of America can bar homosexuals from being troop leaders and that forcing the BSA to accept homosexuals would violate its constitutional right of freedom of association, free speech under the Fir1st Amendment and its “right of expressive association.”

The recent proposal from the CEO of Ernst & Young, John Turley, who has a position on the executive board of the BSA, to leave the decision to allow a homosexual man to be a troop leader up to the individual Scouting districts concerns me for a number of reasons.

I have been associated with the BSA for 20 years; seven years as a Boy Scout and 13 years as an Assistant Scoutmaster and adult leader. In the Scout Oath, a boy pledges to keep himself “physically strong, mentally awake and morally straight.” To inject homosexuality into a young boy’s life at the ages 11-18, when his sexual awareness and maturity are being formed, ignites a powder keg of confusion that is unnecessary, unwanted and harmful.

The bridge to Boy Scouts from Cub Scouts means that the boys leave mom at home and join the organization of young men and male leaders and mentors. Outside of the military, the Boy Scouts provides the transition to male leadership, bonding and character development that our young men desperately need for themselves and for the future with their family and eventually as leaders in their community. No gray area of sexual orientation confusion during this process need exist.

The BSA has measures in place to help identify and prevent adult or peer sexual advances. Every adult scout leader goes through on-going training to identify or prevent any sexual activity within the troop. Why add the extra pressure of homosexuality on our young sons? Isn’t society already trying to cripple our young men through gender confusion in our schools, films, TV, books and social media outlets? Enough is enough.

Michael Chol

area sales manager

Baton Rouge


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1) Comment by Gradstudent1 - 12/07/2012

Eventually even BSA will have to come to terms with the fact that people don't choose to be homosexual. They will eventually openly accept them. Both of my sons are Boy Scouts; one has the Life rank and the other is First Class. They both want to attain the Eagle rank. I've often struggled with BSA view on homosexuality, but being in scouts has provided them with great experiences. I would have no problem if I discovered one tof the male advisors (adults are not leaders) was a homosexual.

2) Comment by Whatnow - 10/07/2012

@cwgmpls, Women are usually den leaders for Tiger cubs, Cub Scouts and Weblelos 7 to 10 years of age. And the usual setting for Boy Scouts,11 to 17 years of age, is men leaders, but not exclusively. There is nothing in the by-laws stating that women cannot be leaders. http://www.scouting.org/scoutsource/GuideToAdvancement/Appendix/CharterAndBylaws.aspx. But, the homosexual morals are the point of this letter, not the fact that it's women.

3) Comment by cwgmpls - 09/07/2012

"the boys leave mom at home and join the organization of young men and male leaders and mentors. " Wrong. BSA has had female leaders and mentors since 1988. Sometimes even mom is a Scout leader!

4) Comment by lovemykids - 06/07/2012

ABayouBoy let me tell you my views. I want my children to grow up not feeling that others think they are less than adequate because their parents are gay. I want my family to be happy and healthy. I want my children's grandparents to love and cherish them (which they do). I want to be able to pay my bills on time (which I do). I want to have enough money saved for my children to go to college without having to take out student loans (which is difficult because we have to pay an extra $300 a month for insurance). I want my children to be happily married (same or opposite sex) and give me grandchildren. I want my family to be treated like every other family. Are my views all that different from yours?

5) Comment by Whatnow - 06/07/2012

Being called names by gays and those in their world is supposed to scare people???? Well, I guess you think that one way to win an argument, but probably not. Sounds childish to me. It's like being told that since I don't agree with Obama on his policies that I'm automatically a racist. The over use and lie connected by using that word is becoming almost a compliment these days. Like being homophobic is a bad thing?

6) Comment by chem - 06/07/2012

I would like someone to explain to me how it is harmful to allowed gays to marry and have a family and all of the benefits that go with heterosexual marriage. No one is forcing you to personally like it or to be the best man at a gay wedding, so how is it harming anyone, other than a personal distaste.

7) Comment by Whatnow - 06/07/2012

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8) Comment by ABayouBoy - 06/07/2012

@ lovemykids, You're putting words in my mouth. If being gay is your thing, then so be it. Each to their individual tastes. But, society as a whole should not be legally forced to adopt the views of the gay community. Because, the vast majority is not gay.

9) Comment by Terd Handler - 06/07/2012

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10) Comment by lovemykids - 06/07/2012

Hey ABayouBoy, gays should stay in there place. Is that what you believe? Past generations (and some people now) believed blacks should stay in there place too.

11) Comment by ABayouBoy - 06/07/2012

@Chem, I very well may be "bigoted" as you say. But in my opinion, our society cannot be all permissible for all things. There are some actions which I believe are morally wrong, and if permitted by society legally, will end up being our downfall. Just look to Sodom and Gomorrah as an example. My position if this - If you want to be gay, then do it as an individual thing, but don't try to make you views acceptable to the majority by legal means. That is best for all concerned, and especially the Scouts.

12) Comment by warreni - 06/07/2012

Wow, I can't even imply using a three-letter word for a rear end? Which term of service did I violate? Using a word-substitute with two asterisks in place of letters or calling out conservatives for being wholly lacking in empathy for those who are different from themselves? Whatever, Advocate, keep printing those letters from the homophobes. . . .

13) Comment by nimby? - 06/07/2012

answer ; there is none . public perception , media portrayal , embracement of stereo-types , where does fault lie ? my position on this may be unique but I believe it is valid . I agree with gay marriage and respect their right to adopt . but as we know there are those in society who will take advantage of a situation if it is to their personal benefit . as in some one claiming to be gay who isn't . how would we police this ? I don't know , your thoughts ...

14) Comment by chem - 06/07/2012

What difference does it make if the person is gay? Should they have to wear a scarlet letter? That is the point. What difference does it make?

15) Comment by nimby? - 06/07/2012

chem , like to pose a serious question ; upon entering a room I can identify a person of african/asian/hispanic decent . I can recognize a female . what sort of physical characteristics should I use identifying a gay person ? or a republican ? a baptist/atheist ? no where in the scouting by-laws is hate mentioned . we are speaking of a world wide organization who's members are white , black . brown , yellow , red . politics , religion , sexual orientation all stir the media feeding frenzy . this is not what scouting is about ...

16) Comment by chem - 06/07/2012

That is a very myopic, bigoted, and unwarranted view. That is the same as saying all priests are pedophiles, or that all blacks are criminals. Straight people attack children almost exclusively. You are just showing your backward, bigoted views.

17) Comment by ABayouBoy - 06/07/2012

typo: should be"there"

18) Comment by ABayouBoy - 06/07/2012

Its sounds to me as if the gay minority is attempting to assert itself and views upon the vast majority of morally correct, straight people. I was a scout at one time, and I can tell you that the is no place for gays in the scouts. It would be like a happy hunting ground for Jerry Sandusky if any were allowed. Excellent letter, and good point of view by Mr. Chol.

19) Comment by chem - 06/07/2012

A bit of an aside. Look at how many people were up in arms over the military allowing gay people to serve openly. From the religious right, including all of the Republicans (same thing), all we heard was that the military would be ruined. Our readiness would be hampered, morale would drop, we would be the laughing stock of the world. The same was stated about women and their fight for rights, and of course, blacks in their monumental fight for equal rights. The military went on without so much as a hiccup. Women are in every walk of life and making great strides for the betterment of all, and the same can be said of blacks, many of whom have contributed greatly to this country. I cannot support the boy scouts based on their discriminatory policies. Teaching kids that it is ok to hate certain groups is never ok.

20) Comment by lovemykids - 06/07/2012

People should be judged on what matters (helpfulness, kindness, and consideration of others) not what goes on in their bedrooms.

21) Comment by Art Vandelay - 05/07/2012

Can't they just join the Girl Scouts and be done with all of the whining and complaining?

22) Comment by bourbon-soda - 05/07/2012

Why not just start a new scouting organization without the restrictions of BSA and compete for members (no pun intended).

23) Comment by nimby? - 05/07/2012

" morally straight " , would exclude many heterosexuals , if the truth be known ....

24) Comment by nimby? - 05/07/2012

as pointed out the B S A is a voluntary organization , an option . if I join something it is because I like what they are doing and would like to be a part of it . politics , religion and sexual orientation always create a media stir ...

25) Comment by Whatnow - 05/07/2012

@Art Vandelay, you just made me spew coke on my monitor!

26) Comment by Art Vandelay - 05/07/2012

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27) Comment by Whatnow - 05/07/2012

BSA Policy: The BSA policy is: “While the BSA does not proactively inquire about the sexual orientation of employees, volunteers, or members, we do not grant membership to individuals who are open or avowed homosexuals or who engage in behavior that would become a distraction to the mission of the BSA.” Scouting believes same-sex attraction should be introduced and discussed outside of its program with parents, caregivers, or spiritual advisers, at the appropriate time and in the right setting. The vast majority of parents we serve value this right and do not sign their children up for Scouting for it to introduce or discuss, in any way, these topics. The BSA is a voluntary, private organization that sets policies that are best for the organization. The BSA welcomes all who share its beliefs but does not criticize or condemn those who wish to follow a different path.

28) Comment by warreni - 05/07/2012

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29) Comment by MBW - 05/07/2012

I am adult who attained the rank of Eagle Scout many years ago. It saddens to see the Boy Scouts handle themselves this way. I had many wonderful years of experiences as a scout and believe that there are many non-partisan values that the Scouts promote that are good for kids (respect, leadership, responsibility, perseverance, etc). To be exclusive like this denies many kids the opportunity to share in those values and those experiences. This is injecting the partisan fights of adults into a program that is ultimately for/about kids.

30) Comment by bourbon-soda - 05/07/2012

This parallels the strategy of the homosexual lobby in the Presbyterian Church USA: if you fail nationally, try for local option. Check that denomination's membership numbers in recent years for hint of the sequelae.

31) Comment by TheTardis - 05/07/2012

I was in the cub scouts and weblos. I was also in the military. And I am gay. I fully support allowing gay parents to be pack leaders. If the scouts don't want to allow that, it's their right. But those who disagree with them certainly don't have to just go along with it. If people want to pull their support for the scouts for being discriminatory then that is their right. There are already plenty of gay folks in the scouts. It's sad they can be kicked out if their gayness is discovered.

32) Comment by rgeraldwallace@cox.net - 05/07/2012

What does being "born Gay" have to do with anything? People have all sorts of tendencies, urges, wants, needs, desires, etc. but normal people control them and manage to live within the parameters of the rest of society. Those who let those urges direct their lives are the rest; 2 % of the general population are actually homosexual, so why should society change itself to accomodate the demands of 2% of it? Sorry, it just makes no sense; and if the homosexual lobby wants to be seen as normal then all they have to do is lead normal lives.

33) Comment by rgeraldwallace@cox.net - 05/07/2012

Mr. Chol is exactly right; there's no place in the Boy Scouts for such charades; political correctness and the homosexual lobby just want to use them for their own purposes, and their purposes have nothing to do with teaching little boys the right things.

34) Comment by Whatnow - 05/07/2012

@lovemykids, you know, I would have loved for my kids to be involved in a lot of organizations, but there were requirements that I or they couldn't meet. If I wanted in but didn't like their requirements, should I have thrown a fit and made them change their requirements or should I have found or founded other organizations that met mine and my children's needs? Just like Mick Jagger said, "You can't always get what you want, but if you try sometime, you get what you need." The problem with "Progressives" is that they make a problem for themselves, with their own standards and then they want everyone to change to make up for their lack of thinking of the consequences of their actions.

35) Comment by nimby? - 05/07/2012

the B S A is an organization founded on certain principals that may exclude members of society , another is the N A A C P .......

36) Comment by lovemykids - 05/07/2012

8point6 you are right I am upset. I would love for my son to be a boyscout, but I cannot. Would you allow your child to join an organization that does not let you participate or that tells them that their family is not equal to others?

37) Comment by Chucky - 05/07/2012

“right of expressive association." I like that.

38) Comment by jdk944 - 05/07/2012

Mr. Chol, you have seen what a well written letter receives, based on the first 3 comments, when those that claim tolerance, do so ONLY if you agree with THEIR position!! And don't confuse the issue with facts like the BSA position is based on Biblical based principals. Because then they just start labeling you and name calling. And if that doesn't work they seek "judicial" activitism - they sue you!! How about just go out and start your own alernative to the BSA?? Oh they can't do that, because you MUST agree with them no matter what!! And again Bighug, whether some individuals are born as homosexuals, which has not been absolutely determined by the way, does NOT mean they need to carry out those tendencies. But then that brings up responsibility, etc. Oh, and we can't have that either. Just DO WHAT THEY SAY!!

39) Comment by Whatnow - 05/07/2012

"Physically strong, mentally awake and morally straight". Yeah, it's the morally straight that get's them every time, Mr. Chol. 69.4 percent of all units are chartered to faith-based organizations. "On my honor I will do my best to do my duty to God and my country and to obey the Scout Law; to help other people at all times; to keep myself physically strong, mentally awake, and morally straight." Great letter!

40) Comment by 8point6 - 05/07/2012

Mr. Chol. You really know how to upset my "progressive" friends. However, I agree with your letter.

41) Comment by Bighug - 05/07/2012

Perhaps the scouts would be less confused if they learned that some males are born gay, just as some are born to have blue eyes. Teaching them hatred and prejudice is wrong, even though that seems to be the goal of the Boy Scouts and the Louisiana Family Forum.

42) Comment by twinkie1cat - 04/07/2012

No one is trying to "cripple young men through gender confusion..." That is a bunch of bull from the GOP and Louisiana Family Association. A troop leader who is gay is not going to influence a boy to be gay. Neither is another scout. By the time they reach their teens most of them know who they are and being in the Scouts can only make them better people regardless of sexual orientation. All teens, gay or straight, need to understand that sex is for a committed relationship and that there is a time and a place, which is not a scout meeting. As for the leaders, most pedophiles are straight men who mess with little girls. Molestation is a crime of control. Gay men rarely desire sex with boys.

43) Comment by lovemykids - 04/07/2012

Out of date and inaccurate way of thinking. Mr. Chol just come out and say you do not like gay people and that you think (incorrectly) that being gay is wrong and unacceptable.