Stelly: Tax deals cost La.

Former representative criticizes Jindal

The legislative sponsor of a controversial tax plan told the Press Club of Baton Rouge on Monday that state government could get a handle on its budget by looking at tax exemptions that benefit individuals and corporations while diverting state revenue.

“We’re giving away the store,” former state Rep. Vic Stelly said.

From state spending to a political history lesson to his opinion on Gov. Bobby Jindal’s job performance, Stelly touched on a number of topics during an hour-long appearance. He made the trip from Lake Charles to downtown Baton Rouge just two weeks after announcing his resignation from the Board of Regents. Stelly said he grew discouraged with higher education funding cuts and back-to-back tuition hikes under the Jindal administration.

He characterized the first five years of Jindal’s tenure as governor Monday as “very self serving.”

Stelly said the governor’s “so-called reforms,” such as the push to give vouchers to increase the number of children educated in public schools, will play out for years before an assessment can be made on whether they worked.

The governor’s spokesman, Kyle Plotkin, defended Jindal’s record, saying the governor lowered taxes and revamped workforce development to create more jobs in Louisiana.

Stelly said the reforms resonate with people outside Louisiana who think Jindal might be great vice president material.

“What do they know?” Stelly said.

Jindal dodged questions over the weekend on “Meet the Press” about whether he is interested in becoming Republican presidential hopeful Mitt Romney’s running mate.

“We’re not going to speculate. I’ve said this for the last several weeks. We’re not speculating,” Jindal said.

The governor’s flirtation with national politics comes as the state grapples with financial problems.

Ten years ago, voters approved a tax swap that Stelly sponsored while representing the Lake Charles area in the Louisiana Legislature.

The swap repealed the state sales tax on groceries and utilities in exchange for shifting some into higher tax brackets to offset the loss of sales tax revenue. Another part of the Stelly plan included a repeal of the state deduction for federal excess itemized deductions on expenses such as mortgage interest, charitable contributions and medical costs.

In 2007, the Louisiana Legislature began making changes to the Stelly plan tax swap, while keeping the repeal of the state sales tax on groceries and utilities.

The first step was to gradually reinstate the state deduction for federal excess itemized deductions for the 20 percent of Louisiana tax filers who claim them.

A year later, the Jindal administration initially resisted a push in the Legislature to return state tax rates to pre-Stelly levels. Once the momentum to make the change became evident, Jindal embraced it and even took ownership, proclaiming it the largest tax cut in Louisiana’s history.

Not long afterward, the state’s fortunes dipped, prompting a series of budget cuts.

“Circumstantial evidence would have to say the repeal of the Stelly plan ... started us downhill,” Stelly said.

Stelly passed out a chart showing a more than $2 billion reduction in state revenue over five years because of the repeals. At the same time, state government is struggling to pay for basic public services.

Stelly said the only thing he would have changed about his plan would have been to embed it in the state constitution. Even then, Stelly said, it probably would have been repealed.

“What will happen with the state budget? I don’t know. I’m kind of despondent right now,” Stelly said.

He said one step the state could take would be to do something about state tax exemptions that divert billions of dollars in revenue.

A commission of legislators is supposed to start studying the exemptions soon.

“Hopefully, the commission will do something more than study and throw it in the closet,” Stelly said.


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1) Comment by 8.3 - 04/07/2012

"Throwing money at the problem has never worked!" So why are you endorsing throwing money at private schools? the lack of critical thinking is appalling and sad. The truth is, Louisiana is worse off in every category off than 5 years ago. So much for stupidity.

2) Comment by Dubyatiger - 04/07/2012

Does nobody remember ten years ago how this snake oil salesman Stelly promised everyone that this tax swap was have a ZERO impact on Louisianians pocketbooks? I knew it was too good to be true and come tax season it was...the State realized a windfall of tax revenue because of the swap. Louisiana was rolling in money! Yeah, "swap" indeed. It was a bold-faced lie, and we voted for it based on this lie. Rather, most people's taxes went up significantly and they got rightfully angry. Yes, you could save enough on grocery taxes to offset your income tax increase....if you went to the grocery store EVERY DAY and bought $200 worth of groceries every time! But for most Louisianians, there was only a marginal savings on grocery sales taxes. But, I do disagree that only half of the tax swap was repealed. It should have been the whole thing. For this, shame on the other legislators for their fiscal recklessness when correcting Mr. Stelly's atrocious bill.

3) Comment by 8.3 - 04/07/2012

You are so right, 8.6 you had a public education which given the minimal critical thought evidenced by your posts, didn't work. So who you gonna blame?

4) Comment by 8point6 - 03/07/2012

Ohhh, Geee. I want to pay MORE TAXES! At taxslayer/dmj PAY ATTENTION! at 8.3: Well, get the private companies to give more of their profits to public education......Pay attention!!! Throwing money at the problem has never worked!

5) Comment by 8.3 - 03/07/2012

Someone mentioned Europe, might want to revise your geography, for the econocentric, Germany has substantially higher taxes but per capita income is at least double that of Louisiana. And surprise, they are serious about funding education. Duh.

6) Comment by 8.3 - 03/07/2012

real world is this, last 5 years have accomplished nothing: LA contains the area with the Highest Level of Senior Citizens Living in Poverty. LA Most Violent state (20 years in a row as of 2012) Longest prison sentence by a Congressman – LA’s Bill Jefferson LA last in Camelot Index LA 1st in corruption convictions per capita LA 49th in student performance and progress LA has worst drivers LA least peaceful state LA 50TH in women’s health LA 49th in Health LA 1st in Murders per 100,000 population. LA 1st in Laziness. LA has least affordable auto insurance Governor Bobby Jindal one of most incompetent and unethical governors LA 2nd worst lawsuit climate LA gets an ‘F’ for Children’s Dental Health LA 1st in Happiness. LA 1st in deaths from diabetes. LA 1st in Personal Income drop. LA 1st in the number of forms of legalized gambling. LA 1st in rate of children under 5 on the brink of hunger. LA 2nd Most Dangerous State LA Worst State for Nursing Homes LA 1st in Homeless Children LA 1st in Percentage of Homeless Veterans. LA 52nd in population gain LA 2nd in bad auto loans LA 49th in Higher Education LA 2nd WORST state for businesses LA 49TH in Business competitiveness and retention LA 48TH in child well-being LA 1ST in gonorrhea rate LA has highest auto insurance rates in the nation LA 1st in the rate of corruption LA LAST in attracting college-educated workers LA 51st in child care LA 2nd in Black Homicides LA roads WORST in the nation. LA 49th in Savings LA 49TH in Longevity LA 50TH in per capita income LA 50TH in livability. LA 4th Highest Rate of Adult Obesity LA 1ST in wasting Medicare dollars LA 2ND in rate of men killing women LA 48TH in places to die LA 2ND in rate of healthcare uninsureds LA 49TH in social health LA 1ST in high school dropout rate LA public schools are 4TH worst LA 2ND cost of Homeowner’s Insurance LA 1ST in net population loss LA is ONLY southern state to lose population LA 1st in people moving out LA 1ST in Southeast in population exodus LA 1ST in rate of incarceration LA 1ST in number of child living in poverty LA 48TH in educational attainment of the population 25 years and over LA 1ST in number of women living in poverty LA LAST in bond ratings LA LAST in healthcare for seniors LA 1ST in abandoning public schools LA 2ND in DWI fatalities LA 46TH in Integrity LA is the 49TH “smartest state” LA WORST for healthcare for the elderly and disabled LA LAST in wealth of our citizens LA’s economy 49th out of 50 LA LAST in cash for research LA 1ST in teen use of steroids LA 1ST in the percentage of income used to pay rent LA 2ND in rate of poverty

7) Comment by DMJ - 03/07/2012

For those with short memories....we had higher taxes in 2000. Coincidentally, that was the last time we had a balanced budget. Clearly, more revenue equals smaller deficit. I know the GOP is against science (wink, wink) but I didn't think they were also against calculators.

8) Comment by PLW - 03/07/2012

Eliminating tax credits=raising taxes. It takes money out of people's pockets and therefore they spend less and the economy worsens. It has never worked and never will. Tax, tax, tax....... is the always the solution that does nothing but turn us into Europe.

9) Comment by Tea_Slayer - 03/07/2012

8point6, try paying attention. only half of the Stelly plan was reversed. The other half left an annual $700M hole in the state's budget

10) Comment by DMJ - 03/07/2012

Me no like taxes. Me heard taxes bad. Me parrot talking point ad nauseum.

11) Comment by 8point6 - 03/07/2012

"Stelly: Tax deals cost La." And, YOUR "tax deal" cost the Louisiana taxpayers! Thank God it was repealed !

12) Comment by Warp7 - 03/07/2012

Finally a Republican telling the truth. Too bad our on media can't get an interview with little Hitler Jindal to ask him tough questions! Our state is going down the drain due to Jindal and we still have some on the right that are blind and will support him no matter what.

13) Comment by albermarle52 - 03/07/2012

Why are listening to this quack? Remember the Stelly Plan? It made taxes go up. Get a clue, people.

14) Comment by Crawdaddy - 03/07/2012

Let anyone stray from the official neocon party line and he becomes a "turncoat" and a "creep". Sounds to me like Vic Stelly is telling it like it is because Jindal can't touch him anymore. Jindal has a history of going on the record as opposing an idea which goes against his "ideology" (an ideology that embraces anything which enhances his public image and furthers his national aspirations) and then, when the winds shift against him, he ultimately reverses course 180 degrees and makes it look like it was his idea in the first place. Remember the federal stimulus money Jindal was so publicly opposed to, and then he was photographed handing out huge stimulus checks to folks in north Louisiana as if it were his own money. His original campaign slogan was "what is good for Bobby Jindal is what is good for Louisiana" -- pretty megalomaniacal if you think about it. Jindal must be hoping beyond hope that the "Rainy Day" fund holds out long enough for him to fulfill his national ambitions. And he is blithely fiddling out of state while higher education (the area he vowed to "protect" in his budget) burns.

15) Comment by DMJ - 03/07/2012

" largest tax cut in Louisiana’s history" eh? No wonder we're cutting funding for education and health care like crazy. Stelly understands that there are 2 ways to balance a budget- reduce spending and raise taxes. Too bad he's not actually in government anymore. We could use an adult right about now. The children in the GOP want to have their cake and eat it too. Enough's enough. Jindal and pals are intentionally underfunding government so when the funds come up short, he can shuffle the business to the private sector. By the time we all realize the private sector costs just as much, if not more due to profit seeking, it's too late. By then, Jindal will be in the White House (he thinks)....or at least on K Street or Fox News.

16) Comment by Straight Shooter - 03/07/2012

Why is Stelly relevant? Take a look at the budget mess the state has been in since the repeal of the Stelly Plan. Gov. Jindal initially opposed a repeal of the Stelly Plan because it would cost too much at a time the state was losing revenue. Yet, Gov. Jindal sold out as a result of political pressure from the rich. If you talk to public officials who were elected to serve in the state government during Stellly's tenure, you will get one common theme: the guy was honest and straight forward as they come. His tax swap plan was what he said it was: an elimination of regressive taxes on the poor and an adjustment of the income bracket to provide stable revenues. The tax swap plan would initially be revenue neutral with the possibility of growth down the road. Who did it benefit the most? The middle class. But hey, who cares about the middle class? The Blanco and Jindal Administration both sold out in moving towards the repeal of real tax reform.

17) Comment by WhoCares - 03/07/2012

Who Cares?

18) Comment by Terd Handler - 03/07/2012

This creep Stelly needs o fade into the sunset. Oh, he already is, but the press doesn't know it. Let him go, please

19) Comment by markedwardmarchiafava - 03/07/2012

Abolish all these taxation schemes, have the legislature craft a budget for the upcoming year, divide it equally amongst all citizens 18 and older. Then, once they realize the true cost of this cruel joke called state government, stand back and watch the predictable results.

20) Comment by bourbon-soda - 03/07/2012

Looks like AL too is shooting itself in the foot - $158 million in incentives and no unions - http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5idvw3nufedvReTXb Y5oRlivo5LeQ?docId=46b11ab755a844509bccff96cda2307e .

21) Comment by Tea_Slayer - 03/07/2012

LawyerDan65, exactly. Every time someone mentions that the Stelly Plan was "repealed" I point out that falsehood. Only half of the plan was reversed. And that $700M hole is growing...

22) Comment by LawyerDan65 - 03/07/2012

The Stelly Plan would have worked, but the legs who proclaimed they "Repealled Stelly" only repealled 1/2 of it...leaving a $700M annual hole in the budget...if Stelly was a bad idea, then it should have been repealled in its entirety, not 1/2 way.

23) Comment by bettergovt - 03/07/2012

A very large portion of our problems are related to the half repeal of the Stelly plan. The other large portion relate to all of the under the table corporate tax credits. I know some people insist that we dont have a revenue problem but when you cut revenue this much, I am sorry, it causes a revenue problem. The governor's management technique is to starve government programs to death even though they have the backing of the people. Once the operations of the government start failing, he claims that government never works and starts handing out contracts to his private sector supporters. The problem is the private sector contracts cost the taxpayers more than the public sector agencies. Whomever takes over after Jindal leaves to go national, is going to have such a monumental mess to clean up that it will take 10-20 years to fully straighten out. The moral of the story is, stop putting people in charge of government whose entire platform is government cant do anything. He will prove himself right. Where in the private sector would that fly? The applicant says, "Sir, your company cannot do anything right. Your company will fail at everything." Business owner, "Your hired!" A year later the business is losing money and on its way out. The company is left in the red failing to meet it's obligations and on the edge of bankruptcy. The applicant is then off to a bigger company offering to do the same thing on a bigger scale. Sounds like a good business plan... NOT!

24) Comment by lovemykids - 03/07/2012

Thank you, Vic, for having the courage to stand your ground. Jindal and his accessories must be livid because Vic resigned and can't be kicked off the board.

25) Comment by Cousin Dave - 03/07/2012

Why is this tax-and-spend Republican turncoat in the news? Because it was almost July 4th and the Press Club couldn't find any real newsmakers to speak at it's pathetic weekly luncheon.