Letters: Christ-like more than Christian

In a June 14 letter “Who’s to say who’s Christian” the author questioned what defines a Christian.

I think a better question might be, “Are you Christlike, or just Christian?”

Most professed Christians claim the entire Bible as their guide for their beliefs.

This makes me wonder how they reconcile the Old Testament’s call for revenge (“An eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth”) and Jesus’ admonishment to “Forgive 70 times 7 times” and to “turn the other cheek.”

What about the Old Testament’s condemnation of homosexuality, adultery, and all other personal acts that it deems “abominations”? Didn’t Jesus teach us “Judge not, lest ye be judged,” and “Love your neighbor as yourself”?

It seems to me that many professed Christians place almost all their emphasis on the Old Testament, which enables them to condemn the sins of others, and pay attention to Jesus only insofar as his sacrifice supposedly freed them from punishment for their own.

If we are to employ the Bible (rather than our own knowledge and reasoning) as the primary authority for our morals and behavior, I would like to suggest a broader, more loving way to do so.

Let’s say we’ve accepted the notion that the entire Bible, both Old and New Testaments, really is the “divine word of God.”

It seems to me that the world would be a much better place if people would first strive to adopt Jesus’ teachings as a guide for how they behave toward others.

This would allow them to continue to accept the commands and restrictions stated in the Old Testament as the governing principles of their own personal behavior, but at the same time be nonjudgmental, understanding, and forgiving of those whom they see as “sinning.”

After all, did not Jesus say, “Let he who is without sin cast the first stone”? and “Do not attempt to remove the speck from your brother’s eye until you’ve removed the beam from your own”?

To me, a world full of such people would, for one thing, be a lot quieter. I think it would also be much more loving because, by remembering that we’re all flawed human beings, people would look at others who are behaving “incorrectly” and think first of their own bad traits, and so approach others with humility instead of pride.

But then, humility, which to me is the highest quality to which a human can aspire, is probably the most difficult to attain.

Wayne L. Parker

technical writer

Greensburg


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Comments (43)


1) Comment by nimby? - 20/06/2012

many christians must be out of practice . I appreciate your honest opinion . not here to bash , just to give my honest opinion that many christians carry a false sense of moral superiority while not being able to acknowledge others may have different beliefs . to all , keep christ in your heart , if I wanna know I'll ask ....

2) Comment by gofigger - 20/06/2012

My opinion, in religion (learning to be a christian), journeyman (practicing christian out of religion). Much like anything else you do in life, you have to learn it before you can be it.

3) Comment by nimby? - 20/06/2012

so which is which , fact or opinion ? Jesus was a wanderer , a journeyman , so to speak . so if we adhere to the title of this letter , then ....

4) Comment by gofigger - 20/06/2012

@nimby? - one is an apprentice and the latter is a journeyman

5) Comment by ABayouBoy - 20/06/2012

@chem, you say that you will put your moral views up against those of a Christian, but where do you get your sense of values of whats right and wrong. Whats best for you? What makes people good to one another is to care for and consider another persons feelings as well. The 10 Commandments pretty much cover most of it. Personal possessions and money are but a small part of the "material" world. We also have our thoughts and consciousness that make us the person that we are. And our conscience should serve as our guide to making life's decisions, with regard to the well being of others that those decisions may also affect. When its all said and done, at life's end, what might be most important to you may be the person that you are and have been.

6) Comment by 8.3 - 19/06/2012

It may shock some as well, but Jesus was not a capitalist.

7) Comment by Whatnow - 19/06/2012

You can be a Christian without having a religion such as Baptist, Catholic, etc. Chem, just a small example... Most politicians start out wanting to do good and to be of service to their country, but most are turned by greed of money and power. The same thing can happen to any Christian, Jew, Buddist, etc. Men will never be Christlike. They can only strive to be Christlike. All men sin. All men. Just some more than others and fall by the wayside. I didn't live back in the Old Testament Days so I can't really answer why things were the way they were with the Jewish people and can only study and learn what I can. But, things did change because of Jesus. Yes, you are very right that a lot of atrocities were done in the name of religion. And yes, I can say that no one believes that any longer in Christian religions. And isn't that a good thing? It's like judging the whole for the bad few. We have come to be more understanding of what Christ expected us to do and treat each other. That is part of the reason that he came. To teach love. 1ryben, I was using that as a sample of how we should strive to treat others. Criminals are condemned by the law. Jesus only spoke to one criminal on the cross. The one that called him Lord. Jesus knew his heart and I am not one to see a persons true heart. I am usually taken advantage of because I am too trusting, but I figure that punishment, no matter what form, is God's domain, whether it be now or later.

8) Comment by 1ryben - 19/06/2012

The golden rule is a bunch of hog wash and it predates Christianity by over one thousand years. Do you treat criminals as you like to be treated? What about those only accused? Surely you mustn't be in favor of the death penalty then.

9) Comment by chem - 19/06/2012

Whatnow, the terrible things that religious people do are, unfortunately, done in the name of their religion, whether it is the Taliban or the American equivalent, fundamentalist Christians. The Old Testament is loaded with hatred, revenge, wholesale murder, not just by man, but supposedly by God. Yea, I know, the New Testament is full of love, but that contradiction just shows that the Bible is a bunch of bunk written by men looking to oppress and control the populace. Are there evil men in this world who are not religious? Of course, but these are evil people at their core. They are not acting out violence because they were taught that their religion says to behave in that way. The bible states that people should be killed for adultery. Is that not an extreme punishment for such an act? And please don't say that no one believes in that any longer, because to do so is to renounce that God wrote the bible. After all, God cannot make a mistake.

10) Comment by nimby? - 19/06/2012

"Having a religion isn't the same as being a Christian" , please explain ....

11) Comment by Whatnow - 19/06/2012

@chem, if you knew your history and different facets of Christianity, you would know that all Christians are not the same nor from the same Religion. Powerful MEN abused their power during the times you spoke of. If you look at most men, whether they were leaders of a Religion or just leaders of men, throughout history who abused their power, there was chaos. That wasn't Christianity that you despair of, it's was the greed of power and the greed of money that ruins most men. Not the Bible, not God, nor Christ. It is the sin of man. So please, don't put all Christians in the same pot. Having a religion isn't the same as being a Christian. Even back in those dark days there were good Christians. They just never made the history books.

12) Comment by Whatnow - 19/06/2012

Of course there are nimby?. I'm just telling what I know of the Bible and what I've studied and try to be. No religion is perfect when it has to deal with man as leaders or followers. We all sin. We just have to do what best for each of us with that decision of believing in God and Jesus or not believing. We all make that choice and most of us are okay with each others choices. It's how we act toward each other, also, with our differences in what we believe. We each should have the opportunity voice those choices in an intelligent and courteous manner. I try to be good to others because I believe in the golden rule, like most. I also have a say as a Christian citizen with what I believe in. I also know that those good deeds are not all that will bring me eternal life. Who knows what would happen if we didn't have the Bible to live by for the last 2000 or so years. We might be cannibals or still living like the men before Christ in the history books where raping, pillaging and murder were common place.

13) Comment by nimby? - 19/06/2012

Whatnow , my core moral and basic religious beliefs closely resemble what a christian should be . when the conversation turns to this subject and I attempt to bring mine up I am met with , to put it mildly , quite a bit of indifference . I am not lost . is it so hard to understand that there are manuals for life other than the bible , that there are beliefs beyond christianity ?

14) Comment by DMJ - 19/06/2012

RationalOne, good point...which begs the question: Is it more moral to be good to others because of fear of punishment (Hell) or want of reward (Heaven) than just being good to others because you hope they'd do the same? I'd argue that morality (like immorality) is innate in human beings and manifests itself through religion and philosophy. Religion doesn't create morality; it just expresses it....often erroneously, in my opinion.

15) Comment by chem - 19/06/2012

As far as the bible teaching people how to live together and treat each other with respect, it clearly hasn't done that. Some of the most bigoted people I know are so-called Christians. What about the Inquisition? How about the Vatican kidnapping children from non-Christians so they could be raised as Christians? Just look at religions in general -- they are all bigoted, misogynistic, hateful, and intolerant. I don't need that kind of teaching in my life. I will put my morals up against any so-called Christian, and I am an atheist. And proud to be one.

16) Comment by RationalOne - 19/06/2012

So for all you bible readers & Christaholics...if you didn't have religion to keep you moral, you'd all be running around murdering & raping & stealing & vandalizing, right?

17) Comment by Whatnow - 19/06/2012

Boy, a lot of hypocrisy on here with all the judging of Christians. Point your finger and you have four pointing right back at you. Does everyone on here live in glass houses? Feels like the Romans feeding Christians to the lions.

18) Comment by DMJ - 19/06/2012

Triple, well...at least you admit it's nonsense.

19) Comment by nimby? - 19/06/2012

christians cannot agree with themselves ; baptist , catholic , pentecost , methodist , lutheran , etc. , each with an amended manual for convenience . question ; which denomination(church) is the most christian ?

20) Comment by MBW - 19/06/2012

Even conservative Christians pick and choose which parts of the Bible they want to follow....but they get so upset when liberals do it. Shellfish, anyone?

21) Comment by gofigger - 19/06/2012

Hey ABayouBoy - "TWO THUMBS UP"

22) Comment by ABayouBoy - 19/06/2012

While I am amazed by the accomplishments of science and technology, they still don't provide the basis for good behavior. The Bible, to me, represents a book designed by Jesus and his Disciples to teach people how to live together and to treat each other with respect. Think of it as a code of ethics to teach us what it means to have a conscience, and how to have a clear one. Realize that it was written long ago, and some parts scientifically incorrect by today's standards. But, to me, the intent of the Bible is to save us from ourselves. Take it on faith.

23) Comment by Elderly Man - 19/06/2012

Gee, put this way, I must be the most Christian person in Baton Rouge. I am most certainly the most Christ like.

24) Comment by Triple - 18/06/2012

@DMJ, I would submit to you that the bible contains complex numerical codes which remains consistent through out the text, both old and new testament.  Some 40 authors over 3,800 years remained true to the use of numbers and patterns which some would say is proof of divine inspiration.  I would also submit that God is the greatest of mathematicians and the universe is a testament to his genius.   Keep in mind, on average, one in five verses contains a number, seems a bit too frequent to be meaningless.  A consistent use of numbers is compelling evidence for those that seek biblical truth.   If you believe this to be nonsense, then, as Robert Frost once wrote, "Forgive me my nonsense, as I also forgive the nonsense of those that think they talk sense."

25) Comment by 8.3 - 18/06/2012

Be careful, anyone who disputes jdk944 is "clueless", "uninformed and ignorant", confused about the facts, suicide bomber target, etc. etc.

26) Comment by DMJ - 18/06/2012

That's why parables are interesting- different interpretations. Still....what about the bit about stoning adulterers....or the plethora of crazy things in the Old Testament? Obviously, we ignore the irrelevant parts. We cherrypick wisdom, accordingly. In my opinion, a divinely inspired book wouldn't be half full (and I'm being generous here) of insanity that all Christians ignore.

27) Comment by nimby? - 18/06/2012

or is it the level of sin ? some denominations view certain sins as minor inconveniences ; say a few words , pad the coffer , all is forgiven , til the next confessional . it is also a sin to lie ....

28) Comment by Whatnow - 18/06/2012

DMJ, It's not that. He forgave her, of course, but only if she decided to sin no more. That's the rub. If she kept sinning, shouldn't she be condemned as an adulterer again? Isn't adultery a sin? Jesus didn't hang around with those types of sinners. He didn't want to be around people who wouldn't hear the truth. He brought his followers to the light and taught them the gift of everlasting life. So, a Christian pointing out sin is not hypocritical if they want to help someone see that light. It's only hypocritical if you do the same sin. Now no one wants someone else to point out their sins, and that's the part that sinners don't like. So, they want us to leave them alone so that they can sin without guilt or censure. They want us all to see them as normal instead of sinners. It isn't going happen when they want it pushed onto our children and when such a small minority wants to change laws to fit their agenda. I can pray for a sinner to see the light and try to help them if they want, but I will not judge anyone. God will do that.

29) Comment by DMJ - 18/06/2012

Whatnow perfectly proves my point. It contains wisdom (the Jesus parable about forgiveness and not being hypocritical) and garbage (stoning adulterers).

30) Comment by RationalOne - 18/06/2012

Right on, DMJ! If there's any single book out there that presents the best case against Christianity, it's the bible. It's so funny when god- heads say we don't understand the bible or understand facts, when they're the ones who ignore facts & base everything on faith alone.

31) Comment by Whatnow - 18/06/2012

John 8:1-11 New International Version (NIV) 8 1 but Jesus went to the Mount of Olives. 2 At dawn he appeared again in the temple courts, where all the people gathered around him, and he sat down to teach them. 3 The teachers of the law and the Pharisees brought in a woman caught in adultery. They made her stand before the group 4 and said to Jesus, “Teacher, this woman was caught in the act of adultery. 5 In the Law Moses commanded us to stone such women. Now what do you say?” 6 They were using this question as a trap, in order to have a basis for accusing him. But Jesus bent down and started to write on the ground with his finger. 7 When they kept on questioning him, he straightened up and said to them, “Let any one of you who is without sin be the first to throw a stone at her.” 8 Again he stooped down and wrote on the ground. 9 At this, those who heard began to go away one at a time, the older ones first, until only Jesus was left, with the woman still standing there. 10 Jesus straightened up and asked her, “Woman, where are they? Has no one condemned you?” 11 “No one, sir,” she said. “Then neither do I condemn you,” Jesus declared. “Go now and leave your life of sin.” The point is that she must sin no more. If she didn't listen to Jesus, she would lose the chance of knowing Jesus and his love and the chance of everlasting life. Our goals should be to become Christlike and he knows that the way is hard. But, he also knows our hearts and our forgives us knowing that that we believe in him. Our goal is to spread the word and what constitutes as sin and show the way to everlasting life. Romans 6:23: For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

32) Comment by nimby? - 18/06/2012

jdk944 , like to point out there were people here before the christians , what about their history and heritage , that in many cases religious freedom is still denied . that acts of depravity , rape , murder , torture was committed in the name of christianity . that in order to save the savage heathen children were taken from their home , family , placed in christian foster homes , boarding schools , had their names taken away in favor of christian names , were punished when speaking their native tongue . as illustrated in the big blue book of bible characters Jesus had long hair , beard , wore sandals and a robe . he was a liberal . not exactly a conservative poster child ....

33) Comment by DMJ - 18/06/2012

I actually know quite a lot about American History and the history of Christianity...which is why I'm not a Christian anymore. And yes, my parents are proud of me. They taught me to think critically and to have an open mind....also why I'm not a Christian anymore. The Bible is not to be used as science or history, obviously. For example, the earth is older than the Bible tells us and there was never a global flood. Don't believe me? Ask any scientist who doesn't work at the creationist museum in Kentucky. It's just a book. A book written by people who heard stories. It contains wisdom, but it also contains garbage. If you don't understand this, perhaps you should read the Bible again. I've read the Bible....another reason I'm no longer a Christian.

34) Comment by jdk944 - 18/06/2012

DMJ - Your "Christian parents" must be so proud of you. Do you look upon them the same way as you post on this topic of which you are so lacking in understanding about? So sad you didn't learn ANYTHING from them on this topic. But no excuse, you can do your own research but choose to spew your humanistic psychobabble!!

35) Comment by jdk944 - 18/06/2012

8.3 and DMJ, to examples that come under "clueless". If either of your truly undestood The Bible and this country's history and heritage, you would see how uninformed and ignorant you are!! But of course, don't confuse things with the facts right??

36) Comment by DMJ - 18/06/2012

Man, I really hate the "why don't you show some tolerance towards my intolerance?" arguments. I was always taught (by my Christian parents) never to tolerate intolerance of any kind. Bigotry is not the other side of the issue, equally valid and deserving of respect. Bigotry is hatred and hatred is wrong, whether or not that hatred has biblical roots. One who strives to deny equal rights to others can expect no tolerance for their bigotry. You never tolerate intolerance. Anyone still confused on this point? Teacherguy says that Christians are attacked as judgemental, hypocritical and devoid of rational psychology. Well....if the shoe fits.

37) Comment by teacherguy - 18/06/2012

The Christian finds himself in a Catch 22...he has a set of beliefs he must stand up for and against, while living under another set of beliefs that requires him not to judge others and accept those who turn from their evil ways if they choose to do so. When the Christian stands up for his beliefs, he is accused of being judgmental and intolerant by people who are "allowed morally" to be judgmental and intolerant. This is why Jesus said in John 11:25,26 "25 “I am the resurrection and the life. The one who believes in me will live, even though they die; 26 and whoever lives by believing in me will never die. Do you believe this?” He ended that with a question...EVERY person gets to choose whether they answer yes, or no...so, the Christian has a moral obligation to tell others about his beliefs at least once (those not desiring to hear from them should simply avoid them)..but the Christians moral obligation is not to force his beliefs on others (unless apathy results in inhumane consequences) ...the problem is, when a Christian states his moral beliefs...he is attacked for being judgmental, hypocritical, and that his ideas are devoid of rational psychology (though he feels that way about non-believers). I hope to NEVER see America a place where ideas, and yes morals, are snuffed out and not discussed.

38) Comment by DMJ - 18/06/2012

Therein lies the fundamental flaw/irony of Christianity: if one is Christian, they don't need to be Christ-like. If one accepts Jesus as their savior (something that requires literally no effort) then everything else is forgiveable. This is why there are racist Christians, selfish Christians, people like jdk944 and the Republican Party (smile, wink). Though I always enjoy Mr. Parker's letters, I take issue with the idea of simply accepting that the Bible is divinely inspired. In my opinion, doing this requires one to suspend his/her powers of logic and reason, which I don't think anyone should ever do. I'm going to continue to believe that the Bible is largely a book of myths and parables, a product of Bronze Age thinking that, does contain some good moral teachings, is mostly just silly, useless and DEFINITELY not actually true.

39) Comment by 8.3 - 18/06/2012

jdk944 would make a great suicide bomber. Mark 12:30-31 may provide a clue to the essence of Christianity.

40) Comment by jdk944 - 18/06/2012

And Mr. Parker, why don't you tell us how "loving" the radical homosexual moment is toward those who don't agree with having their lifestyle "jammed' down our throats, through picketing, judicial activism and the like??? Does you definition of being a "lot quieter" include that??

41) Comment by jdk944 - 18/06/2012

Mr. Parker - homosexuality is spoken about and defined as unacceptable, as is ALL sin in the New Testament!! . And Jesus speaks of what marriage is in Matthew 19:4-7 and it's between 1 man and 1 women!! Certainly one should be "loving" but that does not mean accepting sin as proper behavior nor behavior that should be promoted and coddled. Sounds like you need to understand what the Old Testament is and it's purpose. It's NOT for defending sinful behavior or trying to discount it to rationalize it either!!

42) Comment by lovemykids - 18/06/2012

Sounds good to me!!!!

43) Comment by misterfalcon - 17/06/2012

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