Pension plan misses majority by 4 votes

Pension plan misses majority by 4 votes

The Louisiana House refused Thursday to give final legislative approval to the Jindal administration’s proposed new 401(k)-type pension plan for future state employees.

The House voted 49-43 to concur in state Senate changes to the so-called “cash balance” legislation — four votes shy of the majority needed to send House Bill 61 to the governor’s desk for signing into law.

The legislation now goes to a House-Senate conference committee to try to iron out differences as the June 4 end of session looms. The conference committee has three House and three Senate members.

Both chambers now must agree to a final version or the measure — a key part of Gov. Bobby Jindal’s retirement system revamp — will die.

Jindal’s deputy chief of staff Kristy Nichols attributed the failure to “a light House.” Thirteen representatives were absent for the vote.

“We will have the votes after conference,” Nichols said in an email response to questions.

Opponents said the “cash balance” plan offers little retirement security for employees who could end up living in poverty. “There is no back-stop, no Social Security,” said state Rep. Sam Jones, D-Franklin. Under the plan, Jones said future retirees would get 60 percent less than they do today after 25 years of employment.

House Bill 61 sponsor Rep. Kevin Pearson, R-Slidell, urged his colleagues to approve the measure, contending the new pension plan is needed to get better control over escalating pension system debts for which the state is ultimately responsible.

Pearson said he does not know where opponents are getting information that they use to paint a dire financial picture for retirees under the plan. “There are so many mischaracterizations,” he said.

The legislation has been opposed by the AARP of Louisiana and the Louisiana State Employees Retirement System board of directors.

It is the furthest along of the pension bills Jindal proposed affecting the benefits of current, future and retired state employees. Current employees would be required to contribute more for reduced benefits and some would have to work longer too under various proposals.

Jindal said the changes are needed to protect retirement benefits of employees and reduce state expense. He cited the drain on the state budget of employee contributions and constitutionally required payments on long-term pension system liabilities which is taking money away from health care and education.

Pension systems affected argue the proposals are unconstitutional because they break employee contracts and require employees to pay more than their share, making it a payroll tax.

HB61 would impact those nonhazardous duty employees who become members of Louisiana State Employees Retirement System after July 1, 2013, as well as new higher education employees of the Teachers Retirement System of Louisiana .

The cash balance plan is similar to a private sector 401(k) except state employee accounts would be protected from investment losses. Employees would contribute 8 percent and the state 4 percent with earnings from investments also credited to their accounts. One percent of the earnings would go into a reserve fund that could be tapped in economic downturns.

The House-passed version of the plan would have allowed current state employees to opt into the cash-balance pension system. The Senate stripped that provision at the request of Gov. Bobby Jindal’s pension policy advisors. The Senate version also added to those who would be covered employees of post-secondary management boards.

The House came close to tabling the legislation on two occasions on identical 44-47 votes. A majority of those present and voting would have resulted in a sidelining of the measure. Proponents would have had to get a two-thirds vote to bring it up again.

Before the votes, House Speaker Chuck Kleckley, R-Lake Charles, said voting to table would kill the legislation.

State Rep. Joe Harrison, R-Napoleonville, said Louisiana would be only the second state to have a cash balance plan.

Voting FOR concurring in the Senate amendments to the “cash balance” plan (49): Speaker Kleckley and state Reps. Barras, Berthelot, Billiot, S. Bishop, Broadwater, Burford, T. Burns, Carmody, Carter, Champagne, Chaney, Cromer, Danahay, Fannin, Foil, Garofalo, Geymann, Harris, Henry, Hensgens, Hoffmann, Hollis, Howard, Huval, N. Landry, Ligi, Lopinto, Lorusso, Miller, Moreno, Jay Morris, Jim Morris, Pearson, Ponti, Pugh, Pylant, Richardson, Robideaux, Schexnayder, Seabaugh, Shadoin, Simon, St. Germain, Talbot, Thibaut, Thompson, Whitney and Willmott.

Voting AGAINST concurring on HB61 amendments (43): State Reps. Armes, Badon, Barrow, W. Bishop, Brossett, Brown, H. Burns, Burrell, Cox, Dixon, Edwards, Franklin, Gaines, Gisclair, Greene, Guinn, Harrison, Havard, Hazel, Hill, Hodges, Honoré, Hunter, K. Jackson, James, Jefferson, Johnson, Jones, Lambert, T. Landry, LeBas, Mack, Norton, Ortego, Pierre, Pope, Price, Reynolds, Richard, Ritchie, Smith, Thierry and A. Williams.

Not Voting (13): State Reps. Abramson, Adams, Anders, Arnold, Connick, Dove, Guillory, G. Jackson, Leger, Leopold, Montoucet, Schroder and P. Williams.


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Comments (8)


1) Comment by Elderly Man - 25/05/2012

One hopes for the best. Our governor is a crook.

2) Comment by Warp7 - 25/05/2012

Hopefully in the end the Legislature will do the right thing and for once stand up to Jindal. Most know what they are doing is not right. If you are oing to creat a 401k like parts of the private sector, let employees pay into Social Security so that they may have a livable I one when they retire. Don't continue to penanalize Louisiana citizens who happen to work for the state. Jindal only cares about one person, and that is Jindal.

3) Comment by Manual - 25/05/2012

It may have been "a light House", but it was a "heavy vote" . Weighted in the direction of the opposition.

4) Comment by SuzanneMS - 25/05/2012

Biglsufan07 and others like him -- please try to get this straight. State employees are required to pay 8% of their pay into the retirement system. Read that again. State employees required to pay 8% of their pay into the retirement system. Those in the private sector are only required to pay 4.2% into Social Security. State employees are paying 3.8% MORE than private employees. The state contracted to match 3% of that but the state did not pay its 3%. YOUR employer has been paying 6.2% of your salary into Social Security on your behalf. So, the state is SAVING 3.2% in retirement costs on every state employee -- or would be, if the state were paying its 3%. But it has not. Would you consider it right for your employer to decide to stop paying into SS and increase your contribution by 6.25% to cover it? The state does not want to pay for Social Security. The federal government would not allow the state to keep deferring that 6.25% the same way they've been deferring the 3%. State employees who qualify for SS will see that SS reduced by anywhere from 10-60% of their state retirement. If a state employee began working for the state at 25 and retired at 55, then went to work in the private sector and began paying Social Security for the remaining 12 years, that employee very well might not get any Social Security at all. State employees continue to pay for their health care benefits, and they receive Medicare -- just as everyone else does -- which they have paid for.

5) Comment by qwerty - 25/05/2012

biglsufan07, I found you great job....and it is at LSU... http://agency.governmentjobs.com/louisiana/default.cfm?action=viewJob&jobID=470063&hit_count=yes&headerFooter=1&promo=0&transfer=0&WDDXJobSearchParams=%3CwddxPacket%20version%3D%271%2E0%27%3E%3Cheader%2F%3E%3Cdata%3E%3Cstruct%3E%3Cvar%20name%3D%27CATEGORYID%27%3E%3Cstring%3E%2D1%3C%2Fstring%3E%3C%2Fvar%3E%3Cvar%20name%3D%27PROMOTIONALJOBS%27%3E%3Cstring%3E0%3C%2Fstring%3E%3C%2Fvar%3E%3Cvar%20name%3D%27TRANSFER%27%3E%3Cstring%3E0%3C%2Fstring%3E%3C%2Fvar%3E%3Cvar%20name%3D%27FIND%5FKEYWORD%27%3E%3Cstring%3E%3C%2Fstring%3E%3C%2Fvar%3E%3C%2Fstruct%3E%3C%2Fdata%3E%3C%2FwddxPacket%3E you can retire big and be comfortable with a retirement of $31,636.80

6) Comment by qwerty - 25/05/2012

I meant to say to get 90%, any one can retire at 30 years.

7) Comment by qwerty - 25/05/2012

Why is that when something doesn't pass, they can vote again? If something does pass, do they vote again also? When does the voting end? Big LSU fan is wrong. The only people that can retire at 30 years are judges and other hazard conditions workers. They get to retire at 3% of their salary. so you can see 3 X30 would be 90%. The average worker when they retire only gets 2.5% per year so 2.5 X 30 would be 75%. So if the state worker is 55 years old and retires at $55,000, they would get only $37,500 for the rest of their life. Also unlike the federal government workers, there is no double dipping. If you had your quarters you would not get the full amount of Social Security. Also if being a state worker is so great and you want to live very comfortably...you can always get a state job...looks like they are hiring at the food stamp office and maybe out at Elayn Hunt.

8) Comment by biglsufan07 - 25/05/2012

No Back-Stop? Shoot, I wish I had a Back-Stop at my job! There are no guarantees with my 401K and who knows if I will get Social Security when I get ready to retire. I would love to have a state retirement that guarantees me a paycheck for life with health care benefits. State employees should have to deal with the same pressures the average tax paying citizen has to deal with. Let them have a payroll deduction into a 401K, with that have social security deduction as well. The same should be for the legislature and congress (DC). We can't keep going the way we are going or before long we will all just be paying taxes to pay retirees. A state worker can work with the state for 30 years and get 90% of their pay say at age 55, get another job for 10 years and qualify for social security as well as have a 401K for those 10 years and live very comfortably. I want that deal too! Why not live like the rest of us?